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Is China declaring war on America?

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posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 01:04 AM
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Didn't feel like opening a new thread for this, so I thought I'd post it here:

Mattel apology to China over toy recall




posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 01:08 AM
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China is a threat, but the real threat right now who killed your economy and pose as the saviors are within the country and are on TV everyday. China yes ``killed the US economy`` but who the hell is moving to China, letting chinese goods enter so easily, promote globalism? It's not China, it's the globalists and they are not a country.

If your government would be working to save your country, yes China would be a genuine threat, but it's not.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 01:13 AM
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I can answer who it is
John L. Thornton just one of the many NWO'ers, Brookings Institute also supports Hillary. Notice how he runs US and China companies.

John L. Thornton is Professor and Director of the Global Leadership Program at Tsinghua University in Beijing.

Mr. Thornton retired in July 2003 as President of the Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. and as a member of the firm’s Board of Directors.

Mr. Thornton is a Director of the Ford Motor Company
The Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, Intel, News Corporation(this one is Rupert Murdochs) and China Netcom Group Corporation.

He is also Chairman of the Brookings Institution Board of Trustees, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and a trustee or advisory board member of the Asia Society, China Institute, China Securities Regulatory Commission

The Eisenhower Fellowships, Financial Services Volunteer Corps, The Hotchkiss School, International Advisory Committee of the China Reform Forum, Morehouse College, National Committee on U.S.-China Relations, Nelson Mandela Legacy Foundation (U.S.), Tsinghua University School of Economics and Management (Beijing), and the Yale School of Management.


[edit on 22-9-2007 by Redge777]



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 02:19 AM
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Marge: Excellent post!



Originally posted by TheoOne
Don't you think the war between u/s and china would be pointless?

I mean, I don't see or hear any of war of words between these nations....


The US has been at war with the world for decades upon decades.

There are 4 forms of warfare:

-Political
-Economic
-Psychological
-Military Operations

The first 3 are usually used in tandem, and direct military comes when those processes break fail. "We've" been at a constant state of war with virtually the entire world at large since at least the end of WW2. Sometimes military operations become inevitable. It's generally best to avoid that means of warfare. If we did nothing but military operations then the world would have truly been sick of US many decades ago, and US Citizens wouldn't be able to avoid the hegemonic state that we are and basically always have been.

We're talking full global scale:
-Propaganda: A French author many years ago refered to US as the first Cultural Hyperpower, in terms of a sort of hegemonic culturism thru media. Another view is: During the Cold War the same fearmongering paranioa reporting about the Soviets -to justify the Cold War and missile silos- could be found throughout our "ally nations" in Europe.
-Intimidation = Coercion: To be persuaded even tho you don't have a real option is coercion. This is psychological warfare. 12 supercarriers roaming around ensuring forward projected that we're pretty much gonna call the shots (those who reject eventually end up likened to the axis of evil).

-Economic Warfare: "We" have a bad history of "helping" places by persuading them (or rather the elitists of whatever region in question) to take out massive loans for this or that development projects and so on, loans which the nations typically can't pay off and become de facto slaves. This is part of the puppet regime toolkit. Check out John Perkins for more:
google videos. For a mor emodern example of what he's talking about look into the Thailand economic collapse of I think '99-2000.

-Political Warfare: Rigging elections, coup detat's, assassinations and so on... are the harsh forms of poltical warfare. There's usually a symbiosis between political & economic & psychological warfare mind you. Puppet regimes come into play. Some foreign leaderships are our allies, but generally between allies and puppet regimes the real war is on the people beneath them. Or at least that's how it plays out: and that's why too often people assume it's a good thing when we have "alliances" for instance 750 US military bases in foreign lands.


And there's no reason that China hasn't been playing this game all along on the economic tip. From day one. And we can thank our greedy self-servng politicians from the past decade or so for getting played in their game. I don't know how the Pentagon people didn't instantly think of this when it all started.

If they were really our allies they would hav egiven the plane back. There wouldn't be any spies to bust at our nuclear facilities stealing weapon secrets. And so on.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 03:42 AM
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Lets not forget that China actually has already attacked us as well as another country. Not with missiles or bombs though, they are currently waging a high tech war against us, these soldiers dont carry weapons either, they carry pocket protectors and they are constantly on the attack, they are most likely attacking right now.
These soldiers are hackers, the Pentagon has already publicly admitted to their networks being attacked by them once but they claim that their access was limited to non-essential data..
there was another country that was attacked I believe itwas either Australia or Englandmm]tor

[edit on 9/22/2007 by Kr0n0s]



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 04:37 AM
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Socialism/Communism in it PURE form, is actually a great thing. The bad part is, it is comprised of people, and people have a way of screwing up even the most brilliant and loving ideals. The ones that end up running the show turn their positions into power, the power corrupts, then you end up with what all of these forms of government turned into, which isn't really a Marxist society at all.

Think about it, no money, everything is free, everyone works together for the greater good. Well, kinda Star Trek TNG sounding, isn't it? It could be good, but humans haven't the maturity to make it work ... yet. Maybe all of these wars will get the majority of the 6-7 billion to say enough if enough. Hey you, starving under a bridge, here is some food, and they just built a complex for you to have a roof over your head. Sweep up the lot and help keep the building looking nice to pay back for the services you are given. You know, meager work for equal spoils.


To think China couldn't survive if the dollar collapsed says that the world couldn't survive without money. If our dollar ceased to exist tomorrow, they could be rather self-sufficient, or team up with other local governments. If you are trying to tell me that Asia, which includes Russia, doesn't have the resources to maintain itself, well, I think your are crazy.

I think we could be self-sufficient as well, if we just re-evaluated our life. Most u.s.americans are a bit on the spoiled side with suvs, hdtvs, and other acronyms ... and their kids spend more time with the teachers than their parents. If the people would stop trying to live up to some sickening expensive lifestyle and remembered what was truly important in life, family, friends, love ... most of the problems wouldn't exist. If we would utilize our farmland to feed, instead of paying farmers for fallow fields ... if people would eat more grain, instead of that grain going to feed wasteful livestock ... not that everyone should be vegetarian, but the efficiency of the food isn't the best ... if we looked at things from how we can best live our lives as a community and a UNITED STATES of america ... and not corporate america ... things could be a lot better.


I don't know if China is making some asymmetrical warfare ... but, since most of my stuff comes from Japan if not made in u.s.a. ... I don't have to worry much.

Is it a conspiracy? Is it a conspiracy to make it look like a conspiracy? I don't know. Since a secret organization is secret ... I guess until they come out of the closet, it is all guess work ... no matter what name you call them ... NWO/Illuminati ... if they are real, that does work to their advantage ... but no organization can stand up to the citizens if they stand together. There is a growing global community ... and if we embrace each other and our differences ... no tyranny would ever succeed, though unfortunately, their greed would cause heavy casualties on the world's stage.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 05:04 AM
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Very interesting thread.

I've been speculating that China would make attacks on the US economy long before any sort of military action. They have the US by the nuts in terms of investment and dept ownership.

I've had a nagging feeling that they might have quietly kick-started the current slide on the US dollar by both setting up the sub-prime crisis and dumping US dollars.

I've done a bit of research, but haven't turned up anything solid enough to really make any kind of informed statement at this point. I can just give voice to some nagging feelings.

As to the sub-quality products exported from China... well, this is why standards are important and we should all be vigilant to make sure they are maintained. I'm currently more than a little choked at our Prime Minster (Harper, aka the head Neo-Conuck) entering into talks to drop Canadian standard to match those of the US.

I doubt this is is a modus of warfare, but rather just how they do business over there. Cheap products = cheap quality. You get what you pay for. It's our business guys trying to make a buck buying cheap, not checking quality, then selling expensive. Are they waging war against us?

Well... yes, but that's a different subject.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 05:08 AM
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Cheers to a damned well formed post!
A star for you for demonstrating clearly that the stereotype of the uninformed American does not apply to all!

I'm always pleased to see people bust stereotypes.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 06:19 AM
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We have nobody to blame except George W. Bush et. al. for the current situation. This administration is so incredibly inept. Please please, for the sake of our republic vote something other than Republican in the next election. Forget voting based on all the wedge and scare crow issues like imigration, gays, abortion etc...if God was doing his job we wouldn't have all these problems in the first place. We need to put aside our gods, and get busy fixing our world ourselves, our gods obviously haven't been. It's up to us people. If it wasn't for the right winger bible thumpers the United States wouldn't be in the mess it is in in the first place. Yeah, GW says he talks to god regularly. What kind of F'd up *@it is he telling him?



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 06:30 AM
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The Star Trek model only became possible with the invent of the replicator, this eliminated all shortage of supply. So money stopped because everyone had a auto build whatever you want in their kichen.

I am glad to hear a good old fashion defence of Marxism. And the counter point of the pigs taking over. I personally believe in the hibred system, Capitalism to enspire competition, then socialism to stop the top heavy wealth distributation. Problem is this requires people to constently push back against big money, basically taking back what was given to them from the backs of the peasants.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 06:34 AM
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The Star Trek model only became possible with the invent of the replicator, this eliminated all shortage of supply. So money stopped because everyone had a auto build whatever you want in their kichen. And never forget, Star Trek only shows us the upper classes, their was a whole holographic labor force imprisoned in the mines. (Voyager episode)
So don't buy into the 4 series Federation Propaganda.

I am glad to hear a good old fashion defence of Marxism. And the counter point of the pigs taking over. I personally believe in the hibred system, Capitalism to enspire competition, then socialism to stop the top heavy wealth distributation. Problem is this requires people to constently push back against big money, basically taking back what was given to them from the backs of the peasants.

Wealth just puts out a short period of prosperity and empty tv shows, and before you know it they have bought up congress and the push back just slips away. This is where a revolution used to happen. It is really visible in the fall of the monarchs. Granted a new industrial class and the land owner class upserpt the peasants and turned into a new form of class system. But today wealth just gives back a little to quiet the rumblings.


[edit on 22-9-2007 by Redge777]



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 07:10 AM
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Why wouldn't China want to attack us, and take control? If China controlled our resources and economy, they would basically own the world. What developed country doesn't in some way, shape, or form, have an economic relationship with the U.S.A. or China? Control the two biggest producers of everything on the planet.(We DO have decades worth of oil we won't touch too, but that's another thread...) The countries of the world would have no choice but to buy "Chinerica".

Sorry if i rambled at all, it's my first time




[edit on 22-9-2007 by MyCountryTisOfMe]



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 07:30 AM
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Just for the facts: the only real threat in the world is the u.s.! They are the only nation which is starting wars on the entire world. They make us thinking that there are a lot of threats out there.

The u.s fears china, because its getting more and more powerful. In the future they will say that also europe is a threat because the become more and more united and much more powerful.

Please let the 3 world war start soon! It will clean up this sick world! I really wish that somewhere in the future, there will be a world like in startrek for example. No money, food and energy for everyone and all people are living only for improve themselves and the entire mankind. But this is only possible if the world is cleaned up.

I hope that the following generations will be much smarter and have a better sense for living in harmony with the nature.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 07:30 AM
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yeah, apathy today is rampant, and the landfills all over N. America are clogged with discarded plastic goods purchased at wal mart by the aformentioned. How many days left before Christmas? Have you done your shopping yet? God (will you freakin' wake up already!!!) help us all!



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 08:15 AM
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China is set on becoming one of the world's superpowers, if not the next superpower of the world.


I would just urge people to consider that NeoCons want to see America dominate the world.


If China becomes a superpower, this could change their plans.


While China as a superpower could become more menacing that the US, if not more so, (we will just have to wait and see) I would also remind people that living in fear of China's intentions is precisely what the NeoCons want.


I'm not saying China will or won't be up to something, but I'm also equally saying, that when reviewing articles about China's actions that could be seen as sinister, that while keeping an open view about it, it's important not to forget that fearing China is what NeoCons want.


Read the news about China, than consider whose interests the article would benefit.


Again, I stress I am not saying China is not up to 'something'.


But bogeymen are used by NeoCons to keep the populace in fear, and under control, united against the bogeyman.



As for China attacking Taiwan, China don't need to, nor has the ability.


China has a booming economy and Taiwan wants a slice of it.


I can see Taiwan rejoining China, or having a 'Hong Kong status' within China at some point in the future if China's economic trends continue.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 08:31 AM
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My my the fear that people are buying into.......

Applying the same way of thinking as the original poster, it is safe to conclude America has also been applying the same "warfare" tactics-


Since long before China furor, federal agency has OK’d exporting goods banned in America.13 months earlier, in July 2006, the CPSC, without a press release or corresponding media attention, authorized a Los Angeles company to export to Venezuela 16,520 art sets that violated the same CPSC standard protecting children from dangerous art supplies. The following month, the agency authorized a Miami company to export to Jamaica 5,184 sets of wax crayons that also violated the standard.


Read the full article here

No wonder America invades other countries with so little justification if something like dodgy products makes you think you are in danger. I am off to buy some dim sims....




posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 10:07 AM
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Not to point out the obvious or anything, but China's manufacturers haven't ever adhered to very high standards regarding quality, craftsmanship or health and safety standards. They put only as much effort into anything as is necessary, nothing more.

All the garbage they've been shipping out lately that is even crappier and more below par than usual is due to negligence and irresponsibility, not an alleged hidden assault of some type on America.

If it's anything China doesn't want, it's for the world's buyers to lose confidence in it's products; They aren't going to deliberately sabatage their products for export, such would be economic suicide for them.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
What China is doing to our goods could be call Asymmetric Warfare, toxic gluten in pet food, antifreeze in toothpaste, lead paint on toys, toxic levels of formaldehyde on pajamas, the recall of hundreds of thousands Chinese-manufactured tires in the United States for safety concerns the list goes on, one of the latest our own babies be in danger because cribs.

(Asymmetric warfare) en.wikipedia.org...

Is this a war of deception?. . . And what is our nation doing against this on going war.

Great and thoughtful topic, Marg.

Although I think that a lot of the materials coming out of China are of poor quality, we must remember that China is not totally to blame.
In fact, Mattel had to apologize to Chin this past week
news.yahoo.com...

Mattel previously said many of the toys were recalled because of design problems. It also said certain vendors in China or their subcontractors violated Mattel's rules by failing to use safe paint or to run tests on paint.

On Friday, Debrowski acknowledged that the "vast majority of those products that were recalled were the result of a design flaw in Mattel's design, not through a manufacturing flaw in China's manufacturers."

Lead-tainted toys accounted for only a small percentage of all toys recalled, he added

(emphasis is mine)

We have to be careful and try to learn as many facts as we can here. We need to determine the facts about China and separate them from whatever the media and government may be trying to snow us into believing.
You se how little coverage Mattel's part in the story is getting


We should also remember that whatever party is in office in the US will be pushing the same agenda regarding globalization, maybe just form different. angles.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 10:13 AM
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I have always referred to the "Art of War" when talking about the enemy who doesn't really say much, the biggest element is the element of surprise, it seems whatever the U.S. does it gets talked about for a long time and then there it is, sort of like shock and awe, it wasnt too shocking because it was expected....I think the Chinese would be the most dangerous adversary and don't rule out them making a pre-emptive, unprovoked attack if the times started to get rough between the two nations.

I think they have many, many thousands of years of warfare than the mere century or so of practice in modern warfare we've had to get our feet wet, and the most underrated acquired knowledge are the lessons learned on how to deal with your enemy attested in the "Art of War" which pretty much can be applied to this very day, using that type of information in addtion to the real, hard military assets make a formidable combo.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 10:17 AM
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Sun Tzu said.....

All warfare is based on deception.

Therefore when capable, feign incapacity; when active, inactivity.

When near make it appear that you are far away; when far away, that you are near.

Offer the enemy a bait to lure him; feign disorder and strike him.

When he concentrates, prepare against him; where he is strong, avoid him.

Anger his general and confuse him.

Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance.

Keep him under a strain and wear him down.

When he is united divide him.

Attack where he is unprepared; sally out when he does not expect you.

Generally in war the best policy is to take a state intact; to ruin it is inferior to this. To capture the enemy's army is better than to destroy it.

To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.




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