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Originally posted by Nammu
Now, I always despised and mistrusted Masons, mostly because I grew up around the west coast of Scotland. Why? Becasue it is a twisted society of men that have no other reason to be there other than for personal gain above non-masons.
Originally posted by Nammu
I questioned my brother-in-law about what he gets up to. He is very secretive about it but got annoyed about me slagging him off about sun and goddess worship (i was just having a laugh cause it annoys him). He told me they learn nothing. Nothing esoteric at all. They just socialise and make 'business' connections. I asked for an explanation of this but he wouldn't give one. This has made me mistrust masonry even more.
I belive this has carried over to Scottish masonry in that it is used to further people in an exclusive social club.
Originally posted by Nammu
Exactly. This isn't an exclusive trait to Freemasonry, but it does go against what Freemasonry says it's about. There's nothing in the bible that says 'Though shalt not make business connections with members of the congregation that shall further you in the house of the Lord', but the Freemasonic handbook clrearly states that membership should not be used to further yourself.
It makes me think that if the lower levels are acting against the handbook then what the hell are the higher ones up to? How are non-masons ever expected to trust the organisation and how can masons get annoyed if they don't trust it?
I've mentioned to a few Catholics (or at least Celtic fans) here about masonry and no one even knew they could join, cause it's a Protestant thing here. They would probably get refused membership even though that's against the belief as well. It's so strange.
Originally posted by Nammu
But I do believe that there is a hierarchy of secrecy and further up the ladder there is some very strange occult stuff going on at the top level.
Mason's get really annoyed when non-masons suggest this is satanism, devil worshiping, whatever you want to call it, but until masons officially come out and go 'You know what guys, this is exactly what we get up to and what it means' there will always be a suspicion of fowl play and of a dark side. If it's hidden, then it's hidden for a reason, if you ask me.
Masons also always say that it is no longer a secret society and there's nothing that you won't learn in a lodge that you can't learn yourself. If that's the case then whay all the secrecy? I think some like the dark occult allegations and mysteriousness. Others just join cause it makes them feel like they belong to an organisation that makes them better than other people.
Even after all my research and reading. I really think this is the fundamental reason why anyone joins. To futher themselves above other people who don't belong the 'club'. From what i see of freemasonry in Scotland, no on is there to better themselves and learn moral values.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Freemasonry has never barred Catholics from joining...
...We don't have anything against the Catholic Church per se. We have only been critical of the Church's actions when it attempts to usurp the rights of the individual. As long as the Church doesn't try to force anything on people who disagree with it and respects the rights of others to disagree, Masons have no problem with the Catholic Church, and wish them well.
Originally posted by Nammu
My step-grandfather was the Grand Master of the Kilwinning lodge, Mother Lodge of Scotland. Again, those who know there history will know this lodge well. I recommend those who don't look it up. My brother-in-law is also a Master Mason at the same lodge.
In the west coast of Scotland all masons are Protestants.
Whe I learned about masonry and started to read up on it I was amazed at what I saw. Masons accept any religion, teach esoteric thinking and the handbook states all men should be kind and accepting no matter what their beliefs?!? This is the complete oposite to the Freemasonry I had grew up with.
I questioned my brother-in-law about what he gets up to... (snip) ... He told me they learn nothing. Nothing esoteric at all. They just socialise and make 'business' connections.
I recently finished The Temple and the Lodge. A good read and very interesting. The section at the end really hit home to me why I really do not trust masonry... (snip) ... These seem like nice incidents of brotherly love between waring factions, however, if these people had not been masons they would have been left to die. This suggests to me there has been a history of thinking in masonry whereby masons consider themselves and their lives to be of more value than non-masons.
Masonry is very popular in the UK police force and judiciary system, to the point that the Home Secretary in 1998 almost ruled that they would have to declare this.
This ruling never happened though. I wonder why. I doesn't give me much faith in the Scottish police force or judicial system.
Originally posted by diedagaincraftsmen
I wish I could remember the source but I read that in earlier times many "sects" of freemasonry opened like in england I believe two had formed and there was much disagreement and they joined ultimately.