CIA, Interrogation manual 1963 CIA resource recruitment manual 1983, page 1
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reply posted on 21-9-2007 @ 08:23 AM by shadow watcher
Great read. I particularly enjoyed the profiling descriptions.



reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 01:51 PM by Redge777
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There is a spot that says before any coercive measures are used permission from upper people must be gotten.
It defines them as bodily harm, chemical, or electrical means. That might count page 8

but it does speak of the measures used at AbuGrabi, sensory deprivation and fear. I guess I consider that torture too, read somewhere psychological torture actually has longer life long effects then physical.

I am not looking for evidence. I am including the methods covered in a discovery show I saw and methods here as torture


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reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 05:28 PM by AlphaHumana
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Right, I did take personal note of
III. 2. - "If medical, chemical, or electrical methods are to be used to induce acquiescence." Whereby prior superior approval was required.


However, I think the quote you used relating to currents had more to do with the insistence that the interrogator had absolute control of the environment than physical shocking. It seems that even stuff that I honestly considered silliness (like hypnosis) was regarded seriously in the manual - it advised interrogators without the appropriate doctorates not attempt it due to the risk of irreversible damage to the subject.

The psychological games played seemed pretty harmless in the long term. Even "water-boarding" (not sure if it's really used or just allegedly used these days - but it's fairly irrelevant) seems rather harsh compared to the stuff in the manual, in my opinion. Also, especially back then, the CIA had a much greater interest (and success potential, I'm sure!)in turning hostile agents (KGB, GRU, etc.) against their masters than they do these days.

I especially enjoyed reading about the "Alice in Wonderland" treatment! It sounds like high school all over again.

The intentional blank spots (many seem to be of proper names - though some are paragraph sized) are what really pique my interest!

If you haven't already, I highly recommend picking up Allen Dulles' "The Craft of Intelligence", the original was written back in 1967, but current printings are available in major bookstores. The style is very familiar.




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reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 11:10 PM by Rasputin13
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Great read. Thanks for the contribution.

But I have to respond to what you said in your thread. Keep in mind that I'm not denying that the US engages in torture. But for you to say that a manual from 1963 (at the height of the Cold War), which has since been declassified, contradicts the arguments made today about Abu Grab and the torture of terror suspects, is pretty absurd. The only thing we can take from this manual is the kind of mindset our government had back in those days, and the lengths they were willing to go to to protect this nation from the "evils" of Communism. Aside from similarities in techniques that may be used today, it doesn't mean anything in regards to recent times.



reply posted on 13-10-2007 @ 04:58 PM by Redge777
I found this an interesting add to the above documents.


www.theblackvault.com...
Senate report on MKULTRA behavioral modification studies. This is just one document, it is not the hearings conclusion page 36 of pdf
Conclusion -
The salient points that emerge from this discussion are the following No such magic brew as the popular notion of truth serum exists. The barbiturates by disrupting defensive patterns may sometimes be helpful in interrogations. But even under the best conditions they will elicit an ----- contaminated by deception fantasy garbled speech etc. A major vulnerability they produce in the subject is a tendency to believe he has revealed more then he has. It is possible however for both normal individuals and psychopaths to resist drug interrogation. It seems likely that any individual who can withstand ordinary intensive interrogation can hold out in narcosis. The best aid is a defence against narco-interrogation is foreknowledge of the process and its limitations.


More documents here
www.theblackvault.com...

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reply posted on 14-10-2007 @ 02:57 PM by Redge777
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I think you are talking about the "Project For a New American Centry" documents.

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