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American Spy Satellite Downed In Peru

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posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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The Peruvian Government has already sent researchers to the site, checked to see what made folks sick, found out what crashed, and has released the information. There is no Satellite crash in Peru. You want the truth, here it is:


Peru's Geophysicists Test for Radiation, Meteorite Sickness Caused by Toxic Gases
Andina, Peru's official government news agency reported today that the citizens of Carancas, located in the district of Desaguadero in Puno, Peru, are recovering from the initial sicknesses which were caused by the meteorite which landed in their village Saturday afternoon.

Puno's Regional Health Director, Jorge López Tejada, stated that the peoples health had improved after they were seen by doctors. The cases of nausea, dizziness, migraines and vomiting were controlled by medication that was administered by the health brigades.

"They are recovering, there aren't any critical cases. A total of 200 people with different symptoms have been seen," said López Tejada. In addition, Puno, Peru's Health Director stated that blood samples had been taken from the 15 patients which had been closest to the meteorite.

"The geophysicists have determined that there isn't radiation in the area, the problems people were having have been attributed to toxic subsoil gases which have not been specified yet," stated López Tejada.

The health authority has officially requested that people stay away from the glowing object that fell from the sky. He made this request due to the fact that many curious people have come from all over to observe the crater.

Medical personnel are to stay in Carancas, which is 1,300 km South of Lima, for at least one more week.



Scientist Confirms Meteorite in Puno, Peru is a Chondrite
LIP-ir) -- Peru's official government news agency reported this afternoon that scientists which went to the town of Carancas in the Region of Puno, Peru, have confirmed that the glowing object which fell from the sky on Saturday afternoon was indeed a meteorite.

Volcanologist for Peru's Geological, Mining and Metallurgical Institute (INGEMMET), Luisa Macedo, confirmed that a chondrite meteorite had caused the 17 meter (55 foot) wide and 5 meter (16 foot) deep crater when it landed on earth.

It was reported that with the help of the Desaguadero Municipality, the water would be drained out of the crater to establish the exact size of the hole that was made by the chondrite meteorite.

Macedo explained that the chondrite was not radioactive and did not have any toxic gases or substances which could be harmful to peoples health. On the other hand, Macedo stated that it had not yet been established if the water supply in the province of Chucuito had been contaminated or not.

Aside from the analysis Macedo is performing, the National University of Altiplano, Peru's Nuclear Energy Institute, the National Institute of Natural Resources, the Ministry of Health and a Bolivian university are all taking part in the analysis of the area.

This is what fell in Peru:

Chondrite
Chondrites are stony meteorites that have not been modified due to melting or differentiation of the parent body. They formed when various types of dust and small grains that were present in the early solar system accreted to form primitive asteroids. Prominent among the components present in chondrites are the enigmatic chondrules, millimeter-sized objects that originated as freely floating, molten or partially molten droplets in space; most chondrules are rich in the silicate minerals olivine and pyroxene. Chondrites also contain refractory inclusions (including Ca-Al Inclusions), which are among the oldest objects to form in the solar system, particles rich in metallic Fe-Ni and sulfides, and isolated grains of silicate minerals. The remainder of chondrites consists of fine-grained (micrometer-sized or smaller) dust, which may either be present as the matrix of the rock or may form rims or mantles around individual chondrules and refractory inclusions. Embedded in this dust are presolar grains, which predate the formation of our solar system and originated elsewhere in the galaxy.



[edit on 9/20/2007 by defcon5]




posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
The article is ridiculous. They don't even use plutonium in satellites, they have solar panels. Plutonium is only used for deep space probes.


if it were a spy satellite they could use what ever they wanted to power it...and they wouldn't tell you what is on a spy setallite...your thinking NASA...and panel technology is outdated.....not saying i believe this article completely....but it is very strange...wait, im gunna say it was swamp gas...thats it


[edit on 20-9-2007 by LightsInYourMind]



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
The article is ridiculous. They don't even use plutonium in satellites, they have solar panels. Plutonium is only used for deep space probes.


Plutonium has been used on military satellites for years.

The Reconnaissance/Spy Satellite known as the KH-13 is part of the X8 program. The KH-13 weighs slightly over 20 tons and is roughly the shape of a bus. It has a matte grayish black finish and contains the latest optical & radar stealth technologies. There are no solar panels. Power is supplied by a thermal nuclear fission reactor (Project Invictus). Reactor output is in the range of 3MW (thermal) with a thermoelectric system (manufactured by the Astro-Space Division of the General Electric Co.) delivering up to 150 kW (electrical). The reactor also provides propulsion. Nuclear fission heats a hydrogen propellant which is stored as a liquid. The hot gas (about 2500°C) is expelled through nozzles to give thrust. This is more efficient than chemical reactions.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by UofCinLA
If you dig around enough on the net you will find there are nerds out there that track all of the satellites birds up there for fun. The orbital data is there for all to play with on the net and if one goes missing, they will be all over it.

For a time the US military actually published this data but that stopped a while ago but by careful measurement even recent clandestine birds from all players are matched up with launches and the orbit data is updated....

Go space nerds..!!


Yay! The nerds will save us.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Project_Sigma
Plutonium has been used on military satellites for years.

The Reconnaissance/Spy Satellite known as the KH-13 is part of the X8 program. The KH-13 weighs slightly over 20 tons and is roughly the shape of a bus. It has a matte grayish black finish and contains the latest optical & radar stealth technologies. There are no solar panels. Power is supplied by a thermal nuclear fission reactor (Project Invictus). Reactor output is in the range of 3MW (thermal) with a thermoelectric system (manufactured by the Astro-Space Division of the General Electric Co.) delivering up to 150 kW (electrical). The reactor also provides propulsion. Nuclear fission heats a hydrogen propellant which is stored as a liquid. The hot gas (about 2500°C) is expelled through nozzles to give thrust. This is more efficient than chemical reactions.


Would you care to tell us where you came by this "information"? Several internet searches have yielded no details or references to fission reactors or Project Invictus.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 03:05 PM
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Looks like a bogus site to me.Keeping itself afloat by printing sensationalistic fantasies to the public.The good US military vs.the bad??PLEASE...



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Dear God...

It's a Sorcha Faal article...

:shk:

Perhaps a bit of due diligence and assessment of the source is in order.




Thank you.

No need to say more.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 03:14 PM
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Here is a related article.....

More than 150 people have shown up with dermal injuries, which include heat burns. Most of the other casualties have reported feeling nauseous, suffering from respiratory problems, dizziness and had been vomiting :

According to Peru's La Republica newspaper, due to the high number of illnesses, district authorities are considering placing the town of Carancas, Puno, Peru in a state of emergency.

www.prisonplanet.com...
Peru : Meteorite, Or A Crashed US Spy Satellite?



posted on Sep, 21 2007 @ 05:56 PM
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Hello folks,

you might be interested what's the original source of this information: the russian newpaper "prawda". Well, you might think what you'd like about them but in fact it's not a conspiracy blog or something.

Here is the link to the original article:

english.pravda.ru...



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 02:11 AM
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Here's what Wikipedia has on the KH-13:



The KH-13 is a name used by observers of U.S. military space programs to refer to a class of imaging reconnaissance satellite operated by the United States. The KH-13 is the putative successor to the "KH-12" IMINT satellites, the last of which was launched in 1999. Almost everything about these satellites is classified; observers acknowledge that "KH-13" is probably not the program's "real" name. KH-13 may or may not be the same project as 8X, later rechristened as EIS (Enhanced Imaging System), and may or may not involve satellite stealth technology (see Misty). Some believe that the 8X/EIS project is different from the KH-13. Observers have also speculated that the newer satellites might be an enhanced version of the KH-12 that incorporates extends its observations into the infrared, or that uses radar. The "KH-13" satellites probably have a shape similar to that of the Hubble Space Telescope—a shape its predecessors (e.g. KH-11) are believed to have as well.

In 1995, a Los Angeles Times article reported that the 8X program was an intended as "a major upgrade to the KH-12". However, the 8X was reported to depart from the KH-12 in that the 8X was speculated to weigh 20 tons. The 8X was reported as fulfilling a detailed wide-field-of-view imaging role. The cost of the program was a subject of disagreement from some within the military at the time.[1] [2]

The KH-11/12/13 series are planned to be replaced by the planned Future Imagery Architecture digital imaging spacecraft. The contract for these planned spacecraft was initially awarded to Boeing in 1999, but in September 2005 the contract was shifted to Lockheed after cost overruns and delays of the delivery date.[3]

Amateur satellite observers have identified several satellites in sun-synchronous orbits which might be new IMINT satellites:

* USA-144 was launched on 22 May 1999 by a Titan-IV from Vandenberg AFB. 1999-028A. Idenfitied as KH12-4 in NASA's database, it is sometimes identified as part of the Misty program.
* USA-161 was launched on 5 October 2001 by a Titan-IV from Vandenberg AFB. 2001-044A
* USA-186 was launched on 19 October 2005 by a Titan-IV from Vandenberg AFB. 2005-042A [4]



L.A. Times:


The Clinton Administration is spending billions of dollars to upgrade America's secret spy satellites for the post-Cold War world, replacing systems originally designed to monitor Soviet military targets with satellites more useful in fast-moving regional conflicts, U.S. sources said.

Under one top-secret project, the United States is developing a new, highly flexible series of satellites, code-named 8X, that will provide the CIA and the Pentagon with vastly expanded photographic coverage, making the satellites more adaptable for use by military commanders faced with an array of potential battlefields around the world.

The 8X will be a major upgrade of the KH-12, the current spy satellite workhorse, sources said. The 8X, under development by Lockheed Martin Corp., which builds spy satellites in Sunnyvale, Calif., will be a behemoth, weighing as much as 20 tons, and will be capable of capturing intricately detailed images of areas as large as 1,000 square miles of the Earth's surface.


EPA.gov



The isotope, plutonium-238, is not useful for nuclear weapons. However it generates significant heat through its decay process, which make it useful as a long-lived power source. Using a thermocouple, a device that converts heat into electric power, satellites rely on plutonium as a power source. Tiny amounts also provide power to heart pacemakers.


Wiki again:


As the launch of Galileo neared, anti-nuclear groups, concerned over what they perceived as an unacceptable risk to the public's safety from Galileo's RTGs, sought a court injunction prohibiting Galileo's launch. RTGs had been used for years in planetary exploration without mishap: the Lincoln Experimental Satellites 8/9, launched by the U.S. Department of Defense, had 7% more plutonium on board than Galileo, and the two Voyager spacecraft each carried 80% as much plutonium as Galileo did. However, activists remembered the messy crash of the Soviet Union's nuclear-powered Cosmos 954 satellite in Canada in 1978, and the 1986 Challenger accident had raised public awareness of the possibility of explosive spacecraft failures. Also, no RTGs had ever been made to swing past the Earth at close range and high speed, as Galileo's Venus-Earth-Earth Gravity Assist trajectory required it to do. This created a novel mission failure modality that might plausibly have entailed total dispersal of Galileo's plutonium in the Earth's atmosphere. Scientist Carl Sagan, for example, a strong supporter of the Galileo mission, said in 1989 that "there is nothing absurd about either side of this argument."


The Independent:


The US is poised to begin production of highly radioactive plutonium 238 - used previously to power spy satellites and space probes - for the first time since the Cold War. Officials say that the plutonium is being produced for "national security".

The isotope, many hundred times more radioactive than plutonium 239 which is used in nuclear arms, is to be produced at the Idaho National Laboratory, a sprawling site close to the Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming. Local environmental and anti-nuclear groups are concerned about possible contamination from radioactive waste: plutonium 238 is so powerful that even a speck of it is enough to cause cancer.

Officials involved in the $1.5bn (£800m) programme, which is intended to produce around 300lb of the material in the next 30 years, say the bulk of the plutonium will be used in secret projects but refuse to provide further details. The material has previously been used in batteries to power deep space probes such as Cassini as well as underwater surveillance and espionage equipment.

"The real reason we're starting production is for national security," Timothy Frazier, head of radio-isotope power systems at the Energy Department, told The New York Times.


The satellite theory is plausible.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 03:27 AM
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as you quoted only links to the plutonium powersource used in US milirary satalites , if the satalite theory is so plausible , why have NONE of the samples tested at the site shown any elevated radiation emmissions

the satalite theory is pure codswallop



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 06:34 AM
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I find the satellite idea highly unlikely. Meteorite is possible - although I agree the crater doesn't look right for that either.

How about it was a scud missile?



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 08:42 AM
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Well, considering Russia called for urgent delivery of it's SAM's to Iran, you could assume that if this satellite posed a major threat to the upcoming war, it would be destroyed.
How? Classified.
Who? Classified.
Did it happen? Classified.
Why was it not in the paper?
Wake up.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 07:29 PM
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This is ATS, and I say it could be a cover-up. Peru has close relations with the U.S. and if this was indeed the case I can understand why they would want to keep a lid on it. To understand if this is truly plausible we'd need to have an estimation of how much plutonium a satellite such as the KH-13 carries and a calculation as to how large an impact crater it would produce.

I'm staying open to this possibility because the reported sicknesses are consistent with radiation poisoning.



posted on Sep, 23 2007 @ 07:01 AM
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Is this the original article?


English Pravda: American spy satellite downed in Peru as US nuclear attack on Iran thwarted

snippet:

Russian Military Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that one of the United States most secretive spy satellites, the KH-13, targeting Iran was 'destroyed in its orbit' with its main power generator powered by the radioactive isotope Pu-238 surviving re-entry and crashing in a remote region of the South American Nation of Peru, and where hundreds are reported to be ill from radiation poisoning.

Western media reports are stating that the US spy satellite debris hitting Peru was caused by a meteor, but which, according to these reports, would be 'impossible' as the size of 30-meter crater, if caused by a meteorite, would have hit the ground with about as much energy as 1 kiloton tactical nuclear weapon, and which would have been recorded by the seismic stations around the World.


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posted on Sep, 24 2007 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by darksky
If this is true, how come the impact area showed no signs of radiation when measured


Did you measure it?



posted on Sep, 24 2007 @ 09:22 PM
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When you come up with anything to support this claim from any reputable source, please let us know.



posted on Sep, 24 2007 @ 09:27 PM
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The only programs listed in your myriad of sources that are known to have used plutonium are Galileo and Cassini, both of which were deep space probes not Earth satellites, as I said.



[edit on 9/24/2007 by djohnsto77]



posted on Sep, 25 2007 @ 12:55 AM
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How about the snippet from The Independent?



posted on Sep, 25 2007 @ 02:22 PM
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I'm right there with you!
It seems a logic has been lost- or ignored. All normal modes of cooperation abandoned. There seems to be a focus on some goal- I fear I'd really hate the answer. If something was really happening an dwe were told _ honestly what it is, I know We would meet the challenge. But the deafening silence and overt secrecy have become indicative of something those in power don't want US to know.
I hope if it's time to bend over and kiss my ass goodbye they give me a heads up.
man I hope we're both just paranoid & delusional
Cave Adsum



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