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US May Escort Ahmadinejad to Ground Zero!

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 07:24 PM
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The Shah of Iran



It's not long, but it does shine a light on some long-standing Iranian/American issues which are echoed in the present administration

Did the United States help prop up this man?

edit to add...


The 1953 coup was thus a decisive turning point in Iranian history. Had the coup not occurred, Iran's future would undoubtedly have been vastly different. Similarly, the U.S. role in the coup and in the subsequent consolidation of the Shah’s dictatorship was decisive for the future of U.S. relations with Iran. U.S. complicity in these events figured prominently in the terrorist attacks on American citizens and installations that occurred in Iran in the early 1970s, in the anti American character of the 1978-1979 revolution, and in the many anti-American incidents that emanated from Iran after the revolution, including, most notably, the embassy hostage crisis. Latter-day supporters of the coup frequently argue that it purchased twenty-five years of stability in Iran under a pro-American regime. As the dire consequences of the revolution for U.S. interests continue to unfold, one can only wonder whether this has been worth the long-term cost.

iran.sa.utoronto.ca...


We can add more recent events to ths as well.



[edit on 19/9/07 by masqua]




posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 07:27 PM
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Good edits. I would have torn what you had there before apart. Especially the "fear" part. BTW AGAIN, what has Hez or Hamas done to the US? Don't bother, I'll answer that. NOTHING! Same with Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.

Live in fear dude. Btw, it isn't the terrorists doing it, it's your own gov't, through the media. Search the Web, find the truth. Or live in fear, your choice.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 07:29 PM
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Live in fear dude. Btw, it isn't the terrorists doing it, it's your own gov't, through the media. Search the Web, find the truth. Or live in fear, your choice.


No its not, its sites like this that spread fearmongering and paranoia to a whole new level. Just browse the topics on these forums. What you consider "enlightening others" is just alerting the happy people of the world to something that 9 times out of 10 on here turn out to be FALSE.

Who is spreading terror? Think about it.

Mod Edit: BB Code.

[edit on 19/9/2007 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
No its not, its sites like this that spread fearmongering and paranoia to a whole new level. Just browse the topics on these forums. What you consider "enlightening others" is just alerting the happy people of the world to something that 9 times out of 10 on here turn out to be FALSE.

Who is spreading terror? Think about it.


You're bashing ATS now? That's all you have? Your post didn't even make sense.

"No its not, its sites like this that spread fearmongering and paranoia to a whole new level."

"What you consider "enlightening others" is just alerting the happy people of the world to something that 9 times out of 10 on here turn out to be FALSE."

Contridictory dude. I suggest you pick a point and go with it. You might even be right. I doubt it though.

I'm still here if you want to discuss cogent points.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
BTW AGAIN, what has Hez or Hamas done to the US? Don't bother, I'll answer that. NOTHING!


"Hez" instigated the bombing of a U.S. barracks in 1983. Iran helped them.

Wiki tells me so: en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 07:57 PM
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Btw, it isn't the terrorists doing it, it's your own gov't, through the media. Search the Web, find the truth. Or live in fear, your choice.


Sounds to me like YOU are the one who said that it was the govt who is at fault and I pointed out its sites like this that do its fair share of spreading disinformation topics that turn out to not be true 9 times out of 10. Thats not a bask on ATS, but you cant be the pot calling the kettle black either with the amount of what turns out to be garbage that is posted on here.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 07:59 PM
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Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but you job here is what? to deny Ignorance or Ignoring the historical facts behind our own nations shortcomings.

In any conflict you always need to see both sides of the problems to be able to make an impartial opinion, never ever let a misguided ideology cloud your mind.

One thing you have to understand is that governments have agendas that are not always for the good of the world.

People die everyday in wars created for the wrong reasons.

Politicians are deceiving and that goes for any government in any nation.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout

Originally posted by intrepid
BTW AGAIN, what has Hez or Hamas done to the US? Don't bother, I'll answer that. NOTHING!


"Hez" instigated the bombing of a U.S. barracks in 1983. Iran helped them.

Wiki tells me so: en.wikipedia.org...


And I'm sure you've been against Wiki before......

No, Hezbollah had no involvement in the barracks attack in 1983.

You know how I know this?

Hezbollah didn't exist until 1985...



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by stumason

And I'm sure you've been against Wiki before......


No, dont think so. How can you be so sure?




No, Hezbollah had no involvement in the barracks attack in 1983.

You know how I know this?

Hezbollah didn't exist until 1985...


You may be right, I am no expert. I was only 3 years old at the time. But until you come with some better proof than your word I will trust in conventional knowledge of the incident.

I have a one hour drive home and I would love to see proof of your position when I log back on, sounds very interesting.

[edit on 19-9-2007 by cavscout]



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:12 PM
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Okay, we'll sum this up by saying you guys are Anti-US though many of you live here and have no idea what it would be like to actually live in another country where you couldnt enjoy the freedoms of posting your views on a website such as this withouth being killed.

But back to the topic of this thread, it appears that Iran's president WONT be making an appearance to Ground Zero.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:12 PM
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Lord have mercy you are young enough to be my son, I feel soo old.


[edit on 19-9-2007 by marg6043]



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:13 PM
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A non-Wiki history of Hezbollah


Hezbollah was believed to be the driving force behind several attacks on Western targets: the April 1983 suicide bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut that killed 63 people; the October 1983 attack on the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut that killed 241 troops; and a simultaneous attack on the French multinational force headquarters that killed 58 French soldiers.

jewishtoronto.com...



The history of Hezbollah begins with the 1982 occupation of Beirut and southern Lebanon by Israel. Israel had re-invaded the country in an effort to control members of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) who had settled there and were carrying out attacks on Israel.

www.military.com...


Sounds like they've been around awhile before '85. depends who's doing the accounting though.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout

Originally posted by intrepid
BTW AGAIN, what has Hez or Hamas done to the US? Don't bother, I'll answer that. NOTHING!


"Hez" instigated the bombing of a U.S. barracks in 1983. Iran helped them.

Wiki tells me so: en.wikipedia.org...


Hmm, you're saying that Hez and Iran attacked the US of A? Let's look at your source:


The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing was a major incident on October 23, 1983, during the Lebanese Civil War. Two truck bombs struck buildings in Beirut housing U.S. and French members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon, killing hundreds of servicemen, the majority being U.S. Marines. The blasts led to the withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where they had been stationed since the Israeli 1982 invasion of Lebanon. Islamic Jihad took responsiblity for the bombing but the real institgator is thought to have been Hezbollah with help from the Islamic Republic of Iran.[1]


Let's look at that in depth.

1-Where did it happen? Lebanon(Not even close to the US). Hey, if you're going to pee in peoples pools you're going to get casualties. Canadians have lost manpower in the Balkans, Cyprus, Afghanistan, etc. We don't take it personally. It is what happens when you conduct military activities.

2-"Islamic Jihad took responsiblity for the bombing but the real institgator is thought to have been Hezbollah with help from the Islamic Republic of Iran."

Let me point out a few problems here. Spelling aside. I'm not that petty. I have a problem with the term, "thought to have been". That isn't accurate especially for a site, or person, that can't even take the time to spell properly. I guess I was that petty after all.

We need a new slogan, Deny Propaganda.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
Okay, we'll sum this up by saying you guys are Anti-US though many of you live here and have no idea what it would be like to actually live in another country where you couldnt enjoy the freedoms of posting your views on a website such as this withouth being killed.


The argument of one beaten by logic.

Btw, dude, really, I mean this. Seek out info on the Web, challenge your own beliefs. You'll be better for it.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:18 PM
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So on what you base your opinion? because people are aware of what is going on and do not trust the present administration?

Well it is in our constitution you know to question the our elected by the people government, unless it was not really elected by the people. . .

Perhaps you know something that we don't know.
or perhaps you need to refresh you knowledge of what the Constitution says.

Is part of your history class and the preamble given in the 4 and 5 grade.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout
No, dont think so. How can you be so sure?


Just thought I had seen you comment on Wiki before. Not a big deal anyway. Wiki is ok.


Originally posted by cavscout
You may be right, I am no expert. I was only 3 years old at the time. But until you come with some better proof than your word I will trust in conventional knowledge of the incident.

I have a one hour drive home and I would love to see proof of your position when I log back on, sounds very interesting.



From your own source, it says Hezbollah was founded in 1985. The group's own charter says it was founded in 1985.

Other groups have taken responsibility for attacks Hezbollah have been blamed for.

They only get blamed because some members of Hezbollah have been linked to other groups, prior to the formation of Hezbollah. That sort of thing is the nature of the beast in Guerilla organisations.

Obviously, some members would have been active prior to the formation of a certain group. It makes no sense to blame the whole group because of the actions of some members prior to the groups founding, would it?

Whilst people may speculate it's "roots" were around in 1981, 82 or whatever, the fact of the matter is the organisation wasn't founded until February 16 1985.

Let me put it like this, your "roots" go back beyond you birthday to your parents and so on. Now, I wouldn't accuse you of a crime that your parents did prior to your birthday, would I?

Or, to put it another way, you wouldn't sue McDonald's because one of their employees did a bank robbery before joining the organisation, would you?



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
Okay, we'll sum this up by saying you guys are Anti-US


Haha, there it is...

The standard fall back reply when all else is lost.....

You know what, PoP, I have never once seen you actually support any of your comments on here with fact. When challenged to produce evidence, you ignore or sling insults.

Nice style...



Not.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
you guys are Anti-US though many of you live here and have no idea what it would be like to actually live in another country where you couldnt enjoy the freedoms of posting your views


[imo]

In a lot of ways, it is because of governments meddling in the affairs of other countries, either by staging coups and positioning puppet governments or nefarious dealings with spies, mercenaries, etc. The mess that is Iran today can be laid at the feet of American influences through the '53 coup and installation and propping up of the Shah.

There is also the Bin Laden/Bush families and the ties that exist between the Royal family Saud and the US. The constant power plays to the benefit of the rich and the detriment of the poor are an unhealthy stew if it cooks too long.

I'm not just pointing fingers at America, though... the Netherlands and Indonesia, England and India, England and the Irish (potato famine) are just a few other examples throughout history.

No-one should be surprised that when relationships go sour in countries such as Iran, then they go really sour. Consider what Saudi Arabia would be like without the Saud family ruling there. Do you really think it would be a friendly place for westerners?

The problem is that if an administration is coercing another government against the will of the population that lives there, then you either need to rule forever or the backlash will be severe when the stranglehold is released.

[/imo]



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:43 PM
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Honestly I see no problem with the Iran leader going to New York to see ground zero, it could lead to better relations instead of more wars and hatred. The US has had influence on Iran for a long time, not that Iran is not doing what it says, US wants the leader out.
Look, the US has been fed an Anti-Iran propaganda, it has been fed an Anti-Middle East propaganda, and some still fear Muslims. I suggest you check out this website and see how the CIA has tried to influence Iran since the early 20th century. Ahmadinejad thinks enough is enough, and he wants to take his countries leadership into his own hands, and out of the CIA hands.
Check



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 09:20 PM
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LOL and the Iranian population hasnt been fed any anti-American propaganda? The US? The "Great Satan"? And he should visit Ground Zero for better relations? PLEASE!!!!

This is a pure propaganda move by him and now he wont have a shot of doing it thank goodness.

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