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Six Soldiers Who Handled "Missing Nukes" Now Dead

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posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 03:40 PM
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Dude are you freakingwhigamayawafucslin crazy. HE IS OUR ONLY ENEMY. At least for right now until we are at war with all the other countries. Dosen't it all just seem so funny the us arguing with iran and china + north korea going nuclear.




posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 03:45 PM
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I hate to say it but the debunkers win tihs one. Two of the deaths are anonymous. Two happened in July ,and two of the links talk about the same soldier who died last week. This is bogus story.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 03:48 PM
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I don't know how people can't at least see that this is a little bit wierd. A few guys dying from the same base, while on leave, and spred all over the country.

These guys died in accidents from Wash St. to Florida, and only one article points out that foul play was not involed. THis is kinda wierd, even after you throw out the 2 guys that were from several months ago.

This is a secnerio that is stright out of the Twilight Zone. Now we have to take it a little further then the author of the link provided.

How many people are needed in the B-52?
What is the chain of Command?
Whats the least ammount of people it would have taken to load and get off the ground?
How many men are staioned at the base?
Were the 3 guys that died in the last week, can they be confirmed on that nuke flight?
Who else was on the flight, and are they on leave now too?

And most important, why woould this have happen, what would these guys now know that they need to be room tempature?
Did these men get certain codes? Would that be sensitive enough info to kill for, and who is 'pulling' the trigger?


Lets not dismise the case becuase of a little bad reporting, nobady is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes, give credit were credit is due, this guy did some research, lets not lynch him yet...



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Keyhole

I didn't intend on posting BS, but it happened! Sorry about that.




Go to your room and no supper for you!


The part about the Nukes being mounted on the planes is still plenty weird.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by justanothergangster

my thoughts on this: they were briefed about what was going down and then when they refused to be involved were killed off as they were "liabilities"
Well, yeah. they had to be killed because they KNEW who those NUKES were meant for.
Unbeleivable.
In fact,t hey were probably meant for US but they decided ( those 7) against it.

They're real heroes if they kept thousands from dying. REal heroes!!!!!

May God reward them.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by malcolmdelaney
reply to post by Keyhole
 


I hate to say it but the debunkers win tihs one. Two of the deaths are anonymous. Two happened in July ,and two of the links talk about the same soldier who died last week. This is bogus story.
Bogus? why? Because you said so?



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 07:06 PM
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Somehow I am reminded about "Brave New World" when I hear this stuff, Not because the events being described are anything like that...but because it seems to be leading to the point where, someday in the near future, the people of the world are going to say "Please! we just want to be happy...please." and we're all going to fall into a Soma-esque stupor, and those of us that dear think will just be transfered to Iceland or some such place...mind you, "His Fordship" (can't remember his name) said that those ones were the lucky ones.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 07:54 PM
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This is all I know.

If the nukes that got sent to Barksdale were sent not knowing that they were "hot" then Security Forces personnel would have had nothing to do with the movement at all.
So why kill a SF kid. Note I said kid. There are commanders and flight chiefs for each flight that would have been involved. They would have been most likely the ones offed if they were even involved with the nuke movement to the B-52's.
That leads to my next point. If there was a reason for SF to be part of the movement then that means they knew it was "hot". That, in turn, means they would have to kill off a lot more than one kid who was just doing what everyone else was doing that day. Moving some resources to a plane for transport. Cop flights are VERY tight with each other and there would have been a lot more than one cop protesting something they thought was not right.
Bottom line..... they either knew it was a hot shipment and it was just day to day business. Or the cops had nothing to do with it because it wasnt a "hot" convoy.
Either way I really think you can go ahead and count A1C blue out as a casualty of something sinister.
If anyone had prior knowledge of what was going to happen on this movement it WOULD NOT have been an A1C cop. All the cops need to know is what happens on the day they are there. If any cops had prior knowledge it would have been flight chiefs or flight commanders at the minimum.
So knowing this shouldnt we take Blue out of the count of killed off AF personnel?

[edit on 20-9-2007 by hybridx]



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 08:25 PM
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i have to say this was a good statement


Originally posted by Pellevoisin
reply to post by Keyhole
 


US Americans are not supposed to notice the bizarre deaths surrounding this nuclear transport debacle. This is not "official news"; "official news" is about lewdness, celebrity and stupidity.

US Americans are supposed to fixate on the woes of Britney Spears. US Americans are supposed to notice and pay great attention to O.J. Simpson. US Americans are supposed to be engrossed with the story of a U.S. Senator trying to have "an encounter" in a washroom in an airport.

And if US Americans don't start paying attention to the "official news" there will be a knock on their door and a taser waiting.


albeit minus the taser part (that is now reserved for college auditoriums)

american's live in dream land and i am fully aware of that. sometimes i even feel guilty when i see all the less fortunate people in the world. But this is a crazy world, where people know less than they realize, but they are so apathetic anyway being pacified by entertainment and chemicals, and at the same time it doesn't matter if some of the things u beleive are true, it's wether you believe them to be and thus your perception is reality

the difficulty for gov't and humans or (even advanced beings if u believe in that sort of involvement) to maintain such a large civilization in some sort of order combined with this level of technology is sobering when you consider the weakness of the human conditon. tommorrow is not gauranteed just because yesterday and the day before occured. this is a crazy world and i am glad to live in it, especially as a citizen of the u.s.a wether or not our leaders are trying to dismantle the basic rights and infastructure that have been responsible for such a long standing in order to facilatate a supra national agenda

i think this story is most likely a poor researcher who is easily spooked w a slight chance this could even be cointelpro to get people to associate nonsense with anything regarding conspiracy's surrounding the official version.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 08:54 PM
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That's sick. Anyone saying the accidental nuke transportation was no weird news must now admit that something is going on.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 09:18 PM
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yup. it was a nice try.

i can see where one would make a connection upon first glance but when you look into it there is nothing there..

btw mod can you u2u me the url for that pic?

[edit on 15pmu92007 by DaleGribble]



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe

Originally posted by malcolmdelaney
reply to post by Keyhole
 


I hate to say it but the debunkers win tihs one. Two of the deaths are anonymous. Two happened in July ,and two of the links talk about the same soldier who died last week. This is bogus story.
Bogus? why? Because you said so?



no because the news stories said so..



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 10:53 PM
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"this is a crazy world and i am glad to live in it, especially as a citizen of the u.s.a wether or not our leaders are trying to dismantle the basic rights and infastructure that have been responsible for such a long standing in order to facilatate a supra national agenda"

You're not really living in America, anymore. You're living in what used to be America.



posted on Sep, 21 2007 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by TKainZero
I don't know how people can't at least see that this is a little bit wierd. A few guys dying from the same base, while on leave, and spred all over the country.

These guys died in accidents from Wash St. to Florida, and only one article points out that foul play was not involed. THis is kinda wierd, even after you throw out the 2 guys that were from several months ago.

This is a secnerio that is stright out of the Twilight Zone. Now we have to take it a little further then the author of the link provided.

How many people are needed in the B-52?
What is the chain of Command?
Whats the least ammount of people it would have taken to load and get off the ground?
How many men are staioned at the base?
Were the 3 guys that died in the last week, can they be confirmed on that nuke flight?
Who else was on the flight, and are they on leave now too?

And most important, why woould this have happen, what would these guys now know that they need to be room tempature?
Did these men get certain codes? Would that be sensitive enough info to kill for, and who is 'pulling' the trigger?


Lets not dismise the case becuase of a little bad reporting, nobady is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes, give credit were credit is due, this guy did some research, lets not lynch him yet...


Dude...you really need to read this and figure out which one best describes you!
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 21 2007 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by DaleGribble

Originally posted by dgtempe

Originally posted by malcolmdelaney
reply to post by Keyhole
 


I hate to say it but the debunkers win tihs one. Two of the deaths are anonymous. Two happened in July ,and two of the links talk about the same soldier who died last week. This is bogus story.
Bogus? why? Because you said so?



no because the news stories said so..


And so do you...www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 21 2007 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Pellevoisin
reply to post by Keyhole
 


US Americans are not supposed to notice the bizarre deaths surrounding this nuclear transport debacle. This is not "official news"; "official news" is about lewdness, celebrity and stupidity.

US Americans are supposed to fixate on the woes of Britney Spears. US Americans are supposed to notice and pay great attention to O.J. Simpson. US Americans are supposed to be engrossed with the story of a U.S. Senator trying to have "an encounter" in a washroom in an airport.

And if US Americans don't start paying attention to the "official news" there will be a knock on their door and a taser waiting.


you ignore the facts better than fox.

read the article in the OP and see the disinformation flow. 2 of the articles are about teh same guy. 2 of the guys died before the incident.



posted on Sep, 21 2007 @ 09:43 AM
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Crazy? yes, chance of all 6 dying at relativly same time? Very slim, inside job? more than likely.



posted on Sep, 21 2007 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by parry noid
Crazy? yes, chance of all 6 dying at relativly same time? Very slim, inside job? more than likely.



do you people not get it 6 people DID NOT die. it never happened. there is nothing to see here..

the only thing there is six of is news stories..

[edit on 15amu112007 by DaleGribble]



posted on Sep, 21 2007 @ 08:24 PM
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Ok – just to add my 2 cents…

First off specs on a B52 – requires 5 airmen
www.minot.af.mil...

I think the real information here is being overlooked. The men who leaked the information to the press were officers (3) who did so anonymously. See this gentleman’s story
www.indybay.org...

Then we have this person who states a fourth has died – he basically has similar info to the original link in this thread.
www.rumormillnews.com...
And who believes everything Hal Turner comes up with.

I believe the two airmen (not officers) who died in July are just there to distract us. But I do believe the others may have merit.

Frueh was an officer assigned here I believe
www2.afsoc.af.mil...
See details here
watchcat007.blogspot.com...
Could not find a connection to Barksdale or Minot

Kissel was a Lt at Minot who died on the 17th and was assigned to the 23rd Bomb Wing that handles the nukes.

Unfortunately the persons in Barksdale who died I could find no record other than the original story which tells us nothing. Maybe someone else would have better luck.
search.yahoo.com...

I think the real story is the 3 officers dead, one definitely attached to Minot and the nukes and one from Barksdale that may be connected given the nukes travelled between these cities.

If you read the full story by Capt Eric H May you will see the same concern I have. What if these are out there and another "911-2b" is in the works?

Just stay away form the biggest cities I guess.



posted on Sep, 26 2007 @ 03:19 PM
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Hello there,
I’m a Staff Sergeant in the US Air Force. I do network security, so, that’s why I’m emailing anonymously, even though I really don’t feel it’s necessary. I’m just paranoid like that, which is why I’m pretty good at my job.
Also, parts of what I’m putting in here are probably classified, which is the primary reason I’m sending this anonymously.
Anyway, I see a lot of people posting on Reddit about government conspiracies about nukes and things like this. It’s frustrating for me because it’s really very silly. Please, let me explain some background, to help you all understand what’s going on in the background for the Air Force:

Minot AFB is a dead-end base. It’s the abyss of the Air Force, the saying goes “Why not Minot?” They have major retainability problems there – people volunteer to go to Iraq, Korea, anywhere just to get out of there. Beside its location (middle-of-nowhere North Dakota), the base has very little real mission and spins its wheels forever in drills that all result in the end of the world since it’s a nuke base designed to fight the Cold War. But, there is no Cold War for them to fight (at least not one that Minot’s golden piece of real estate would be useful in fighting), so its people probably feel pretty worthless and tired of fighting the now non-existent Soviet Union. The base has already been re-aligned (more on that in a moment) and it’s probably going to be BRACed into a regional airport in a few decades. Ellison AFB in South Dakota has already had its closure decided.

One of the biggest problems with killing off Minot is its core mission – all of the nukes it has. Its weapons capability is moving to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana as the AF further consolidates after the Cold War and infrastructure budget cuts because of Iraq et al. Moving weapons capability to Barksdale, in real world terms, means moving the actual missiles that would deliver the nuclear warhead to Barksdale. No big deal, conventional weapons move all the time. Nuclear warheads, however, when transported for these reasons, are moved by the Department of Energy – a very time consuming, expensive, and burdensome process that someone else will have to figure out much later once they finally decide to close the base.

So, the Air Force’s solution is to move the missiles, and leave the warheads behind, to be dealt with one day when all of us are retired and don't have to worry about it. That’s what SHOULD have happened. So the mission itself was pretty normal otherwise. (It may actually be intentional to leave things this way, to prevent Congressional involvement, as whatever Senator is from ND is probably desperate to keep Minot around as long as possible; leaving the nukes, but operationally stripping the base serves both sides purposes).

The mistake, and the reason everyone now knows about this, is that the warheads weren’t removed from the missiles being moved to Barksdale. I bet the guys on the ground in Barksdale were sure as # surprised when they cracked the payload open and saw a warhead.


I know as much as I do because I work with a cross-trainee whose last base was Barksdale as a munitions specialist. He was involved in this process there; along with the various other missions Barksdale has (it’s a pretty critical base in the AF). Anyway, you would think there would be a pretty clear checklist for all of this, but apparently no one even bothered. Doing what they do day-to-day, is pretty standard operating procedure. People get lazy when they do the same thing day after day, and there’s no less than a half dozen teams who would be transferring these weapons around from storage until they’re loaded. The idea of someone dropping the ball in the AF is not exactly unusual (quite common, actually, heh), especially when 4:30 rolls around and everyone wants to go home. If the next step is to hand it off to the guys who remove the warhead, and it’s 1630 on a Friday, hell, let’s just leave it until Monday, since the mission doesn’t fly until Tuesday anyway. Monday rolls around, someone else takes over, and doesn’t know the job wasn’t finished on Friday. There SHOULD be some paper trail for that kind of thing, but then, like I said, people are lazy. Oh, and Minot usually fails its nuclear operational readiness inspections.
Sorry to kill your confidence in the military.

I’ve seen too much crazy stuff to believe in some massive conspiracy, there’s too many people involved. You’d have to kill like 50 people to “cover up” moving nukes to Barksdale. Plus, what would it achieve? There’s already more than enough nukes at Barksdale to blow the world up 3x over. Who needs 6 more? Seriously? Plus, more accidents occur with conventional than nukes, since nukes are computerized and designed to be super-duper safe. Conventional weapons are built by the lowest bidder. [Yikes!] I’d be more worried about a fully-loaded F16 flying around NYC after 9/11 sucking up a bird than a B52 with nukes flying around without anyone knowing it was loaded with nukes. The pilots couldn’t "secretly" be in on it and launch them, the interface wouldn’t be installed, the COMSEC material wouldn’t be available, etc. You’d have to kill half the base to hide the paper trail necessary to give the pilots the ability to launch.

Several people dying from Minot is bad, of course, but then, crazy stuff happens. Motorcycle accidents, mind you, are the #1 non-war cause of dead in the Air Force. The Captain who died wasn’t a pilot (he was Combat Weather, as evidenced by his pewter beret in the photo linked from your site). Captains are a dime a dozen, just like the Security Forces troop who died. Yes, a part of the Security Forces Squadron mission there would be do defend the nukes, but he’s not at all involved in any of the process. He stands outside the door and checks IDs. Seriously, that’s it. I have 5 cops (as they're generally called in the Air Force) I deal with every day where I work because I do computer stuff, and they have zero clue what’s happening behind the door. They spend most of the day on the phone chit chatting with friends at other security posts about the latest dorm gossip about who slept with whom.

So, to conclude, just chill out a bit about the conspiracy, it’s kinda silly. Plus, again, what would be the point? It’s not a big deal to authorize a nuke mission. After 9/11 the entire Barksdale arsenal was loaded and on the flightline ready to fly. I wouldn’t sweat 6 who someone forgot to unload.

Feel free to republish, maybe it'll educate a few people.

V/r
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