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Iranian President's Visit to Ground Zero Denied

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posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid
I have a question. Can anyone go to Ground Zero, or is it by special permit?


No It's all fenced off and is now an active construction site. You can get near it though.




posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid
I have a question. Can anyone go to Ground Zero, or is it by special permit?


permitted. It was only open for special VIP's during 9/11 ceremony



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by mallory-john
permitted. It was only open for special VIP's during 9/11 ceremony


Yes, we only let the people responsible for 9/11 have nice little ceremonies there. It's the ultimate pissing on the grave.

Peace



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by bodrul
reply to post by FlyersFan
 


If we line up Iran and the United states
who would come up on top as the one that sponsors the most terrorists


[edit on 20-9-2007 by bodrul]


Point taken!

Out of curiosity, how do we classify the 1953 Coup staged by the CIA in Iran? For those unfamiliar the US successfully removed democracy from Iran and established a Monarch (this was in the best interests of Britian and the US) to my understanding.. I could be wrong.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid
I have a question. Can anyone go to Ground Zero, or is it by special permit?


According the Fox news article, the 9/11 ceremony was almost not permitted to be held because of construction. No one is able to go to ground zero without permission from the city authorities.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
Trust me, you're talking to a brick wall here.

I love you too, Dr. Love.


The facts are just an inconvenience.

They certainly are to the 'blame America first' crowd.

FACT - Iran has continually called for an end to America. It has hosted massive rallies with many speeches calling for our destruction.

FACT - The maniac doesn't want to visit ground zero to pay his respects. It's just a photo-op and a political ploy.


Originally posted by intrepid
I have a question. Can anyone go to Ground Zero, or is it by special permit?

Anyone can go UP TO IT. Look inside a fence type of thing.
We went. You just walk right up to the fence. But you can't 'go in'.

However, the problem is that the leader of Iran is going to the UN - which technically isn't in America - and he wants to then travel into America to have his photo-op. We don't have diplomatic relations with Iran and so he may not be allowed into America.

Not to mention the problem of providing security to keep him safe. Afterall - he's been calling for an end to America and then he visits the site of the worst terrorist attack on our soil?? Someone would take him out.

If the Transit Authority says they can't keep him safe, then even if he got into this country he'd have to go at his own risk.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 12:48 PM
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Really seems out of character for him to ask permission

www.cnn.com...

If he wants to visit the Club Kalua strip club I'm all for it. The NYPD will provide security.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 12:55 PM
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What would happen if we held him for 444 days?



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan



... the problem is that the leader of Iran is going to the UN - which technically isn't in America - and he wants to then travel into America to have his photo-op. We don't have diplomatic relations with Iran and so he may not be allowed into America.




Yes, he is going to the U.N. ...as an invited Speaker...
he is then granted a diplomatic status and allowed to travel as much as
a 25 mile radius around the U.N. venue.

In addition to the U.N. speech at the General Assembly,
Columbia University extended him an invitation to both make an address
followed by a Q & A session, during his stay in the NYC area

see: www.columbiaspectator.com.../26790
"Ahmadinejad to Speak on Campus"
(the link does work, it seems their server is easily overloaded...)


i would like to highlight a statement found in the report at the above link..
having to do with the controversy of inviting a hostile, anti-American, and President of a country labled as one in the 'Axis Of Evil' by our President
GW Bush...


"In a University setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded--
the goal of a University is to hear and present a wide array of opinions so that
they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge." [ the statement read, University President Lee Bollinger]


that's good advice;
for the university speech,
for the U.N. speech,
for the denied wreath laying at ground zero,
for the World Forum speech at Columbia,
for the tolerence of posters/threads at ATS forums


thanks,

[edit on 20-9-2007 by St Udio]



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Aeronautical7
What would happen if we held him for 444 days?


You mean you guys bought into that whole hostage crisis thing? Did you notice how they were released once Reagan took office? It was a PR stunt set up by the US to make Reagan the great hero. WE used those hostages. WE kept them hostages.

Do you think American Idol isn't set-up either?

I really worry about my fellow citizens sometimes.:shk:

Peace


[edit on 20-9-2007 by Dr Love]



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 01:02 PM
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dead on. He isn't barred from going to ground zero, the city just said they won't let him have the special access or additional security. He's already given a secret service detail and the city doesn't want to afford him any additional favors.

on a side note (sort of), Springer is heading back to NYC next week and we were talking about the hotel situation as a result of the UN session and I mentioned that the mix of the missing nuke, the UN session and the Iranian president being here are a hell of a nice mix for a false flag op.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 01:20 PM
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I made no comment that I believed or did not belive in the hostage situation. One would call that jumping to pre-supposed conclusions.

The question was not intended to be serious. I should have added a smilely thinger



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio

see: www.columbiaspectator.com.../26790
"Ahmadinejad to Speak on Campus"
(the link does work, it seems their server is easily overloaded...)


i would like to highlight a statement found in the report at the above link..
having to do with the controversy of inviting a hostile, anti-American, and President of a country labled as one in the 'Axis Of Evil' by our President
GW Bush...


"In a University setting, no view is too disreputable to be excluded--
the goal of a University is to hear and present a wide array of opinions so that
they may be challenged and debated in the spirit of free speech and the pursuit of knowledge." [ the statement read, University President Lee Bollinger]


that's good advice;
for the university speech,
for the U.N. speech,
for the denied wreath laying at ground zero,
for the World Forum speech at Columbia,
for the tolerence of posters/threads at ATS forums


thanks,

Oh, is this the same Columbia University that so graciously hosted members of the Minutemen, as shown in this thread

Radical Students Mob Minuteman Founder at Columbia University (W/Video) Link

Video and Pictures of the mob can be seen here.

Sounds about right that Columbia would invite Ahmadinejad.:shk:



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 01:35 PM
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U.S. May Escort Ahmadinejad to Ground Zero
Talks Underway After Iranian Requests a Visit


In a move that has stunned New York, the Bloomberg administration is in discussions to escort the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to ground zero during his visit to New York next week, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said today.

More:www.nysun.com...



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 01:36 PM
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By the way....in this article: news.yahoo.com...

Alavi said Iran's radar bases were monitoring activities at the country's borders around the clock and boasted that it had the capability to confront U.S. cruise missiles.

"One of the issues enemies make publicity about is their cruise missiles. Now, we possess the necessary systems to confront them (cruise missiles)," Alavi was quoted as saying. --Yahoo News

The Iranian President, and his regime see the US as an enemy. What true intention would he have in visiting the site of the US's biggest terriorist attack?

One can't really judge the intents of the heart of man, but could Mahmoud Ahmadinejad be symbolically mocking this: news.bbc.co.uk... He wanted to lay a wreath at the site in memory of the fallen.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by SonicInfinity
Also, here's the CNN article just in case you aren't too fond of FOX News:

New York: Iran's leader can't visit ground zero


Link: www.cnn.com

City officials in New York have denied Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's request to visit the site of the destroyed World Trade Center next week, a police spokesman said Wednesday.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asked to visit ground zero, but New York city officials said no.

The controversial, outspoken president wanted to "pay his respects" and lay a wreath at the site of the 2001 al Qaeda attacks during his visit to the U.N. General Assembly, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said, citing Iranian officials.


I always find it interesting the use of language as a persuasion tool. What power it is to fool people and striking a nerve.

EG.

CNN could have used this line.

"City officials in New York have denied Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's request to visit the site of the World Trade Center next week"

Instead, they wrote it like this.

"City officials in New York have denied Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's request to visit the site of the destroyed World Trade Center next week"

The word "Destroyed" is in there as to say the President of Iran wants to look at the Destroyed World Trade Center and to celebrate it's destruction.

It's good to see the spinsters at work. Ever notice Fox Pundits use the word "Demonize" quite a bit lately?



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:14 PM
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The site where these innocent civilians had their lives tragically cut short is like holy ground.To have a man there who represents terrorism and openly brags of the destruction of another nation would be nothing short of blasphemy and an insult to the deceased who died there.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:36 PM
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not that i know ahmadinejad personally but everything he does and says is threatening towards the state of israel.he and the ayatollahs are arming the enemies that are attacking usa troops and allies in iraq and afghanistan-------now he sees that israel has bombed syrias nuke installation and is watching usa fleet movements around iran and hearing about 1,200 targets plus being designated for us aircraft to take out-it would be my guess that the iranian government would like to placate pres. bush long enough with the hopes of building a few nukes to be able to threaten us with a counter strike eventually----they are playing for time till pres bush is gone and hoping the next usa president is another "jimmy carter ?" type of individual so they can take over the middle east and destroy israel-----up till the syrian air strike i thought pm olmert was israels "jimmy carter?" maybe he still is and was just following orders from president bush.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by SmokeyJo

i make my own mind up and I dont believe I ever say that I feel this way becasue I think Iran had something to do with 9-11.



Clearly they didnt. Im not sure how you can make your "own mind up" when there is no evidence. Your starting to sound like the American Government.
Iran dont play handball with AQ.


Well if you bothered to understand my post you would see that I do not say IRAN HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9-11. Sorry for the caps but you need to read what I wrote and understand instead of jumping to conclusions about why I feel the way I do about Iran.


Long been involved in terrorism.. When? When they were fighting Saddam? Wouldnt that put them on the same side as the USA..
Oh I forgot, Saddam wasnt a terrorist then, he was 'sponsed' by the USA


If you dont think Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism around the globe and especially in lebanon and a backer of syria then you have been under a rock for the last 20 years my friend.


Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asked to visit ground zero "pay his respects" and lay a wreath at the site.
You dont think any Iranians died in 9/11.


Couldnt care less at this point, as long as they sponsor organizations like, Hezbolla, islamic jihad etc.... come on you cant be defending thier terroism history?


Clearly it does. Read your above statements.
BTW Iran was a Persian democracy before the USA got involved with political
agendas and installed a dictatorship..
Also, remember Iran supported the USA in Afghanistan. Is that also Terrorism?


Clearly the only thing 9-11 has to do with my view is that it was infact an act of terrorism. Iran may not have had anything to do with 9-11 but thier embraceing of acts of terrorism is why they dont have the right to use ground zero IMO.


Clearly you dont know what a sect or even what 'fundamantalism' is. Just because you are religious, doesnt mean your fundamentalist


Wouldnt sunnies and shias be two different sects? If not please explain it to me becasue you seem to know alot about it.




One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
Because the USA gives funds to alot of countries, especially ex-soviet, does that mean they also fund terrorism.


If that is the spin you wish to put on it, It could be argued that way. But the US gives money to every country on the planet becasue thats what we do help everyone out when they need help.



They dont like AQ, - Who cares, they terrorists also. Why? Um they want Nuclear Power.
Just because a country doesnt suck up to the USA doesnt mean they are a terrorist regime..
Wake up. Iran are not terrorists, they just see more benefits in trading with the EU/ Russia / China than the USA.
The USA doesnt like this, so they give them the big old rubber stamp. TERRORIST


BS plain and simple The US lables Iran a state sponsor of terrorism becasue they wish to see the west destroyed along with Isreal and anyone who does business with the US. Allow them nukes and they for sure will use them. Hide and watch

Take care





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[edit on 20-9-2007 by geemony]



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Navieko
Funny that -- I can prove, and it's well known that the American Government once sponsored Saddam and also Al-Qaeda. Can you prove to me that Iran sponsors terrorism -- or are you just going by the propaganda driven mainstream media?


Point taken and yes the US ahs nade alot of really bad associations over the years and of course we have paid dearly for those mistakes IMO.



I just think you may be putting a little too much trust into your Government and the Mainstream Media.


Maybe I am more trusting of the governemtn than most. I do think they do alot of really shady crap but I dont think they harbor the type of hate that Iran does towards the west. maybe im off but I dont see it black and white.



As for the situation with Mr. Ahmadenijad's request being denied -- I think he knew what the answer would be, and used it to his advantage to pretty much reveal the absurdity... and I also think the American media/government took advantage the situation to spout more propaganda about Iran. In the end I think the result hurts Iran more and is only beneficial to the US Government's agenda.


Of course he knew he would be told hell no. And yes it was purly a political move on his part to even ask. He can now go back to Iran and tell his people I tried to make a good faith gesture and the Americans spit in our faces.


It wasn't a bad idea from Mr. Ahmadenijad, but I think he may of underestimated how gullible the larger part of the American populous is. It would only ever work against him.


I dont think most are gullible at all. in fact America is the most forgiveing country on the planet. We freaking rebuilt Germany and Japan and gave them the economy they have today. You think they would be anywhere today with out the hundreds of thousands of troops spending money in thier countries for the past 50 years?



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