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Wheelchair-Bound Woman Dies After Being Shocked With Taser 10 Times

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by Truth4hire

Are you kidding me? Someone foaming from the mouth swinging hammers and knives at you? I know she is in a wheelchair but please...

All in all the police are not trained to deal with serious mentally disturbed people.


Based on reading this story are you getting the visual image of some ravenous mad woman wielding hammers and knives around with dexterity and superior skill? Did she have multiple hammers and knives in her hand? Was she waving the hammer around like Conan the Barbarian? Did she have a special wheelchair she could move whilst swinging hammers and knives around??

Yes, it's a weird situation, but did it take 10 taser shocks for her to let go of her deadly weapons, or was she disarmed and then tasered multiple times without proper discretion.

This woman called the cops to diffuse the situation, not kill her sister.




posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
You know, and this is purely speculation, I wonder if she maybe had a knife up to her own throat and was threatening to kill herself?


So then what?

They decide to help her do it????



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 10:46 PM
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She was mentally ill, of course she is going to attempt to defend herself with whatever weapons she had on her at the time.

The point is, the police were trained to tackle mentally ill people before they had tasers, why are they incapable of doing it now? Especially with an OLD WOMAN who is bound to a WHEELCHAIR.

Seems to me the rules of using a taser need to be altered. Or at least the battery life on these units need to be shortened so they cannot be used so many times against the same victim.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by uberarcanist
OK, I'm also totally disgusted with the abuse of the term "incapacitated" on this thread. Just because she couldn't walk doesn't mean she was incapacitated! In fact, quite the opposite was true, as she was dangerously wielding deadly weapons.


Well now, let's see.

Two knives AND a hammer? So if she was swinging them around that left how many hands free to roll the chair?

Boy, she must have really been moving!

They could have just moved out of arms reach.

And yeah, mentally ill AND in a wheelchair? I believe that qualifies as incapacitated.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:19 PM
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According to a police report, one of the officers used her Taser gun nine times for a total of 160 seconds and the other officer discharged his Taser gun once for a total of no more than five seconds.

Well this will make like the 7th tasing story I have heard just this week!!! Is it just me or does it seem like school shootings start all happening at once.. Kids start going missing all at once.. Now in the news its all about tasers?? Something werid is going on here.. I hope I dream well tonight... Im lost for words...
These pigs should be put in prison for murder! This one is the real disapointment.. She was an old lady in a wheel chair!!
Are they trying to make us afraid of cops on a deep level now?
Are they manipulating the human mind to start to connect the dots here, and start fearing these SOBs!
Its going to work on some.. But those of us here staying on the up and up, will see this comming, be prepared



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:29 PM
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I, for one am a firm believer that cops take these jobs, because they like to hurt people. (Most of them, anyway).



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by scientist

Officers said they arrived to find Delafield in a wheelchair, armed with two knives and a hammer. Police said the woman was swinging the weapons at family members and police.

Within an hour of her call to 911, Delafield, a wheelchair-bound woman documented to have mental illness, was dead.


she was obviously asking for it. there are a certain set of standards you are expected to abide by when conducting yourself in public. She obviously didn't want to cooperate, and they had no choice.



i figured I'd say it before someone else did.


No choice? tazers are for when you are threatened and can't control the situation.......ARen't all these officers physicaly fit enough to subdue a wheelchaired women? if not then we need to rethink the fat oafs we put into the force? if you don't have the bare strength to subdue an old lady in a wheel chair ten you shouldn't be on the force? can't beleieve this is happening.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by scientist
she was obviously asking for it. there are a certain set of standards you are expected to abide by when conducting yourself in public. She obviously didn't want to cooperate, and they had no choice.



i figured I'd say it before someone else did.


Well, since we're playing..

She did not deserve to be tazed for over 2 minutes, that was definitely uncalled for, unless she was in a position to cause immediate harm to other people. I didn't note any reference to that in the report.

But when a mentally ill person is armed and out of control, there has to be some sort of order maintained before the officers can restrain her sufficiently to prevent harm to themselves or others.

And besides, are we now saying that people in wheelchairs are somehow less important than able bodied persons ? A bit discriminatory, isn't it ?




Now, seriously, there really does need to be a complete rethink on the use of tazers imo. They are far from the non-lethal weapon they have been portrayed to be...




posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire

I guess its ok to execute the mentally challenged, without arrest a trial or a conviction. This is Stupid!!!


*sigh*

Can you prove beyond a doubt that it was the intention of the officers involved to EXECUTE this diabled elderly woman?

No ?

Then why the histrionics...




posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 12:02 AM
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I think I would prefer that they humanely put a bullet through my heart, than electrocute me to death. But maybe they derive a sick pleasure in inducing the torture.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 12:16 AM
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This is absolutely ridiculous. How menacing can someone wheelchair bound be anyways, even if they do have knives. I could understand if she had a gun, but come on.

These police should get the book thrown at them for this one, but in all reality, they will get suspended for a week or two without pay, then go back to work like nothing happened.

The actions of some human beings is just appalling at times.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by shots
The rest of you can attack the police however we only have the womans side so far so it is best to reeserve judgement.

For those saying the cops should have been able to handle her you might give some thought to how mentaliy ill individuals act and respnde when upset.

I have seen one or two cases where it took several cops to subdue one person, it is not always as easy as one might think.


B.S.!! Sorry dude you are way wrong. The way to approach that scene would have been to evacuate the property, then wait for her to get tired, go in with plenty of police to distract her and have one sneak up behind her and dump her out of her chair.

I have been on plenty of scenes with mentally ill patients and unless she was armed with a gun, there is no reason to use tazers.

Why are so many cops such wimps they cannot handle a scene properly?



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 12:49 AM
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why couldnt they just have run her over with a SWAT van?



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 12:55 AM
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I surprised by the dump her out of the chair attitudes, clear the area use a net or even a few sheets to wrap her to the chair. Approach from behind forces the arms in. Then wait for the doc to come and sedate her.

Sure the family would have thought the sight of the police would have helped calm her not get her killed.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by shots
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Feel free to bash the police all you want that will not change my line of thinking, There are always two sides to every story and I want to hear the other side first before passing judgement as you want.


Remeber innoicient until proven guilty


rank hypocrisy.

What about that woman in the wheelchair?
Was SHE innocent until proven guilty?

The people you saw, the ones who it took multiple cops to take down-- were they in WHEELCHAIRS?

think about this stuff, man.

Had the people that killed that woman not had badges, they would be in jail right now, and they'd probably have a shot at the death penalty. Instead they'll probably get off scott free.

don't let yourself be blinded by a police uniform. certain actions are indefensible. murder is one of them.

i simply can't believe you see the world in such black and white terms that a cop can kill someone and be innocent in your eyes.



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 01:13 AM
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Apparently nobody told you... your not allowed to protest in America anymore. Your a traitor if you do and can be arrested..

[edit on 20-9-2007 by shug7272]



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 01:36 AM
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I always had trouble trusting the police. I never knew why. Now I'm starting to see.

Maybe its the times I partied with off duty police and saw how freaking immature some of them were, and how much they like hurting people. Maybe its the police brutality I've seen on TV, in real life, and on a friend.
Maybe it's the fact that the police seem less and less intersted in upholding the law, and simply look for someone to take there frustrations out on.

Maybe its not all there fault. How many travesties of justice have you seen, or heard of where someone gets off on a crime due to a technicality(sp?) I know that would bug the heck out of me, to see all my hard work tossed out the window. It still does not excuse the actions of these officers, or any others who acted excessively or out of line.

The whole taser issue is not new. I remeber several stories about people dying by them going back years, since they first came out. I think tranq guns would be a mush better alternative. Just put them to sleep.

Not all police are like this, and thats not what I'm trying to convey. In my very few run ins with the law, I've met some decent officers who were actually interested in "Protect and Serve" and genuinely cared about people and wanted to help, not hurt. It just seems that the sentiment is dying.

I used to push for extra police powers, and removing some of the frivolous restrictions that prevented them from doing there jobs efficiently and effectively. Now I've seen what happens when they are given a little leway, by their superiors or the people defending inexcusable actions.

One bad apple ruins the bunch grandma used to say. Too bad she was right



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:04 AM
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What if the woman in the wheelchair had been a relative of the police officer who did three minutes of tasing? Would she have been tased then? Probably not. That right there tells me things could have been handled differently.
It looks like the police and flight attendants all go to the same "Unruly Citizen" classes...
Couldn't they have all thrown their doughnuts at her?
Jules



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:07 AM
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This is also caused by the shift in training, police are now taught to use pain on a person till they comply. Their are three options in an encounter, resist, do nothing, or comply. The do nothing has been removed, and is no longer tolerated.

They now zap people until they comply, thats my guess why they hit her 9 times. She did not stop argueing.

Some of these show people already in handcuffs but not standing up, or rolling over. It is now do what I say or you will be tortured, "We must break you"



posted on Sep, 20 2007 @ 02:33 AM
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Police are also retarded with guns.

Early this morning, the police shot three men who had left a Queens strip club. One man, Sean Bell, a groom who was celebrating at his bachelor party, was killed, while his friends Trent Benefeld and Joseph Guzman were shot multiple times. It's unclear what transpired to cause the police to shoot at the men, but the men's families and community members, including the Revend Al Sharpton, are demanding answers, as Guzman had 17 wounds and Benefeld was shot three times. Sharpton said Guzman and Benefeld were handcuffed to their hospital beds and added, "This stinks. Something about the story being told did not seem right."


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