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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by paul76
An argument we have here in England is maybe we should focus on our own problems at home instead of gallivanting around the world helping other people, because most of the time it's not appreciated is it?


True. But if it wasn't done, some would complain about us not doing anything but worrying about ourselves. They would say, America, with it's infinite resources, is selfish and evil.

You just can't make everyone happy. Nor is that what you should be worried about.




posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by runetang
I say let Iran get nukes, so they can distribute the nuclear material to the various terrorist factions operating all over the globe.

Then, we can have nuclear terror suicide bombings! Yay! Oh boy sounds like fun! They'd be in America, and Europe, and the mid east, probably asia too!
..
Oh yeah, you'll probably get a nuke attack before we do in america, lol..


oh yesss. please

your preposter was right. we all should stay calm and cool down. right now my heart beat is accelerated just by reading and writing in this thread!

but back to what you have said:
i dont think the threat in america will come from outside.
come on and think about it!
nobody is coming in with a drink in their hands!!
many dont even come because they are annoyed by this and they dont want to get checked physical and by looking through all their data..

the real threat will come from inside your country. there is nothign that can be done against it!

and there we go: what do you think freedom is good for?
i think the cia has no problems invading secretly every land in the world. why? because all the borders are not as uptigth as the amercan borders.
now i tell you - it is not because only terrorists could come in. spies cant come in either! but the heck! if some other country would do such a thing, USA would use force!
tell me why most of the time in all of the councils america is using its VETO.
this veto right is also against every common sense!
those who have veto are above the rest.
i dont have friends when i tell them i dont care what you say, we do what i want. sooner or later you are alone. those that are still with you are those that leave you as soon as there is someone who is stronger. well.. there you have to watch you back!

i personally would ratehr die in an terrorist attack than beaten up by police or not having the right to go freely enywhere i want.
if all those aggressor states like USA and many in europe and israel on top would have NO WEAPONS, there would be no terror.
and russians are a threat, but they love peace. there are more that dont think about war than in america. dont you think?
its the proud thats in the way. life is too fast in the USA.
calm down, stay on your side..

and yes, europe is closer to iran than the US. hmm, i am not afraid if iran. i like iran.
and i dislike germany more and more.. because there are so many people who stopped thinking... maybe they never started it!
it is like a mental disease.
if most of them are just happy with themselfes, they dont care about the rest. FALSE!!! false thinking..
but they dont deserve better and so are many americans. dont they?
if something is going to happen and the world changes, they are the last to know what to do. i wont miss them. BYEBYE...



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:47 AM
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This thread is interesting. If it were posted on a site populated by UK citizens and the subject was 'UK must go', most would probably agree! We Brits always enjoy a good dose of self-bashing. However, with US citizens, there's a real sense of patriotism. I think that's cute.

Anyway, back to topic - it is pretty sad how much the US is hated all over the world. As people have said here, it's the Government and Powers That Be that need changing not (all) the people. The UK is just as bad in many respects (though our Government with the new PM is a little better) but we don't seem to be as hated as much. I wonder why?

Either way, we're both central targets for terrorism - top 2 on most terrorist organisations' most wanted lists. Why? Is it our involvement with Iraq or is it a dose of good old-fashioned 'power envy'?



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:49 AM
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My open letter to the rest of the world:
PLEASE HELP US!
Our government has been taken-over by a super oppressive regime. They rigged the elections, and rampant cronyism has left us with ignorant people in top offices!
If we gather to speak out we are jailed!
True American patriots want an end to the corruption and injustice. We want revolution. Send in your forces to remove this violent dictator.
We removed Saddam. PLEASE.... Some outside force removed Bush!


[edit on (9/19/07) by AllSeeingI]



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:49 AM
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My Open Letter to the citizens of the US.

What the heck are we waiting for? Too much has gone unchallenged. This country has no spine anymore! STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS PEOPLE! All we need is to stand up TOGETHER! We need a patriot, a martyr, or an event to galvanize the true American patriots: Those who want to end war, corruption, cronyism, and ignorance.

-The Time Is Now



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by nyk537

The difference is simple. America does not "bully" other countries as you and others have said. We are not in Iraq to bully or police it's people. We are there because there was a ruthless dictator bent on genocide ruling it. We are there because Islamic fascism is spreading like wild fire across the earth. We are there because no one else will stop it from happening. The world has become pacifist and far too liberal. We can not sit idly by and watch terrorist destroy the world. We, as Americans, take it upon ourselves to defend freedom all over the world. Whether or not you can see that is a personal problem. As I said before, your judgment is clouded by hatred.

The other main difference is that while America does have nuclear weapons, it has no desire to use them. While if Iran had nuclear weapons, they would use them in a heartbeat; and not just on America. They would destroy the entire world.

We as Americans will not let that happen while the rest of the world sits back and pretends there isn't a problem.


Then why are you not protecting people in Africa? No financial gain?

Imagine this, if there would be a terrorist leader like osama that would like to destroy USA and scare the citizens, there would be daily terrorist strikes in your homeland. Terrorism is so easy to do against civilizans, all you need is a bomb and a delivery. Imagine army of 100 extermist driving a fuel trucks in the capital and exploding them. There are million ways to do mass destruction without getting caught, so why it's not happening now?

Raises a few questions don't it?

Also about trolling, yes my topic is provocative and the comment about Adolf Hitler was naive, but what i mean is you need proof before going in to war. I apologize for those naive comments.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:51 AM
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Lol Americans are fat. hehe

Seriously, 1 quater of Americans are Obese,
And theres about 250 million, possibly alot more, people in the Usa, Im suprised you havn't sunk yet


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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:53 AM
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Sir your post has nothing to do with anything. We are all now dumber for having read it. I award you no point and my God have mercy on your soul.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:54 AM
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I live in America, and it used to be my dream country as well...

That was before I found out that our elections are a sham, filled with frauds and lies.

Before I found out that the elected leaders are frauds, and that they do not have anything but their on best interests and wealth to consider.

Before I found out that our Leaders will not do what the people ask, and will lie to us to sway our minds long enough to complete the tasks that best serve them.

Before I realized that to our leaders, we are nothing more than a number and that they have no remorse blowing us up, sending us abroad to die in order secure their future wealth, or allowing a flood of millions of illegal immigrants to destroy our sovereignty.

Before I found out that most of my fellow citizens could care less if children are burned alive so long as their SUV's gas tank is full, and that their Tivos recorded all the 'important' shows like American Idol and Simple Life.

I still feel that America is the best country to live in, but it is hardly a dream...

I guess you could say that America was my dream country until I grew up.
DocMoreau



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by TrixieLox
However, with US citizens, there's a real sense of patriotism. I think that's cute.


Patriotism is cute?

I'm glad self respect and love of one's country is "cute"

I think it's cute how you, along with the rest of the world, have become completely pacifist and apathetic.

I think that's cute.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:55 AM
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Ah....I was wondering when another "the US is the font of all evil" thread would show up. Low, and it did appear...
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We're swaggering cowboys, or warmongering bandits, or maybe it's warmongering cowboys and swaggering bandits? One looses track after a while...

It's America's fault that things are bad in the Middle East, OK, I'll accept that we've made more than our fair share of mistakes in the past several decades or so. Your point is? I haven't seen anyone else even willing to step up and try to solve the problems in the ME, even the folks who live there don't seem to be too willing to try. Save by killing each other. Admittedly, the US intervention hasn't exactly stopped that, at least we're trying something. What are you doing? We're spending our blood and our treasure trying to help if not the present, but maybe just maybe the future. What are you doing? Aside from calling us names, I mean.

Status quo. When did that become the be all end all of society? We want everything to be just like it was yesterday, and we want it to be that way forever, and ever 'til the end of time...

For society to survive it must change, or it becomes stagnant and dies. Change, especially in global politics, is usually bloody, rarely as peaceful as we might prefer. Sorry if that offends your senses of decorum, and what's right, but that's reality all too often.

America has, since its inception 200+ years ago, been a force for change, not all of it good, nor all of it bad. We've been both admired and ridiculed, feared and loved, usually all at the same time, by the same people. Rarely has one nation had the same wide gamut of emotional response from outsiders.

We're there when you need us, rarely do we ask for much in return, other than a little gratitude...usually not even that. We do it, because it's the right thing to do. Are we always right? No, and you'll never hear me claim otherwise.

Americans as a whole are giving people, you need it, you've got it. We'll break our hearts helping, at the same time we can be crass, rude, pretentious, and damned stubborn. I'm all these things, and more besides. As are most Americans I know, especially the ones that are overseas in harms way. They're there because, with few exceptions, it's the right thing to do. Are we making mistakes? Again, yes; are we getting things right as well? Again, yes.

For all our faults, we try to do what's right. Is it always right? No, it's not...but notice that few of us will hide from our mistakes. But we try. Don't equate gov't policy with what Americans think, or don't think, seldom do the twain meet.

A lot of Americans, myself amongst them, are not comfortable with the role thrust upon us after WWII. If some other country, or group of countries had stepped forward, or been capable of stepping forward, we would have cheerfully acquiesced to that country or group of countries. Even after 60+ years of global superpowerdom, we're still, at heart, a country of farmers and cowboys in the truest sense of the terms. Step up and take our spot, and I don't think you'll hear many of us complaining. Do you think we like having our brothers and sisters, husbands and wives, our CHILDREN?, over in the damned dirty desert, inflicting pain and suffering, and having it inflicted upon them? Do you honestly think, that if there was another workable option we wouldn't take it?

Do you? If so, you know nothing of us, and need to shut the hell up. My brother is over there, not for glory or fame; but because he feels its the right thing to do. Do you honestly think that I want my brother over there, out of some desperate need for oil. I'd cheerfully walk everywhere for the rest of my life than have one child die for a gram of oil, or what the hell ever.

I'm beginning to repeat myself, so I'll go now.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:56 AM
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Speaking as an American who is also very not fond of the Shrub administration, I must also say that I believe the rest of the world is quite quick to judge all of us as greedy warmongers.

The truth you do not see, is we are STRESSED. We are stressed by our economy, we are losing our homes and jobs to this economy in large numbers, atm.

We are all severely in debt, and scared for the future, and scared of being unable to provide for our families. Do people in European countries even know what this is like?? Most of us cannot afford healthcare, and two working parents in a household most of the time is still not enough to feed the family and get out of debt, and away from the fear of losing our homes and living under a bridge.

How is all of this relevant?? Most do not have the time or emotional energy to pay attention to what is happening in the world today. We cannot cannot afford to do anything else, but work overtime and HOPE that something gives.
Most of us DO care about what our government is doing, but do not have the means to do anything, but continue the struggle to keep our families provided for.

All we can do is VOTE, and when we get the opposite of what we vote for anyway, life goes on.

Surely I am not the only American stuck on "survival" mode, and trying to get out of debt and keep my family provided for?, and knowing that in this war, we are powerless. These gas prices are not helping, the value of the American dollar not buying what it used to, inflation all around, but our pay stays the same. The middle class is being weeded out, and we are powerless.

Americans, disagree with me if you want. Flame me all you want. Most Americans cannot see past their own struggles right now, and we do not have the means to change anything. Our tax dollars are funding wars, while we become poorer and poorer.

Good thing the illegals can come over here and get free healthcare and welfare. God bless this great country.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:57 AM
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Seagull…you have summed it up as best as anyone has. My involvement with this sham is over. Thank you.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Kr0n0s
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To the poster that said Russians could not take down Uk and USA, you are dead wrong. With Russians new MIRW nuclear missiles, they could take down the whole world with a push of a button.


LMAO do you even read the posts that you reply to? or is your reading comprehension just that bad?
What i said was this, if you dont believe me then go back to the post.
I said they could NOT "destroy us" in a conventional war and they cant, not even close..
Come on now, anyone especially you with your infinite knowledge, should know that in a Nuclear War EVERYONE loses.

Wait, one more thing.. Can you tell me how a laser, that travels at the speed of LIGHT, could not intercept a missile thats traveling at just 15 times the speed of sound?

Besides that, you dont think that we dont have scramjet engines on our
missile defense system missiles?

keep em coming though




[edit on 9/19/2007 by Kr0n0s]


Lol, even if it would go 100 times the speed of light it could not. Because there
is not good enough targeting systems that can do it.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
Your country is in Europe? If so, you country would have been over run by Germany if it hadn't been for the USA. I don't say this to be a smart butt. It is just the truth. The ages you mentioned would have stopped in the forties if it wasn't the USA....



yeah, but my country kinda ended up with the germans in that one..


we had no choice, really...



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:59 AM
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Well that was truely useful...not.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by nyk537

Originally posted by Copernicus
This "attack possible threats just in case" scenario is going to get us into a world war, because nobody will accept you doing that. Its illegal and oppressive, and you are a threat to world safety with your actions.

Maybe you need to stand outside your country to see that, I dont know.


And if that world war to begin, I guarantee you, you would be singing a different tune about America then. You wouldn't consider it illegal or oppressive of us to come and rescue your country would you?

"Maybe you need to stand outside your country to see that..."


You will not rescue anyone in the case of world war, cause you will not have the resources to rescue anyone after nuclear holocaust. You will have enough work to support and feed your own radioactive citizens.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 12:01 PM
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THIS IS THE MOST IGNORANT THREAD I'VE EVER SEEN

Why this thread has not been removed yet is beyond me. Can anyone tell me how a thread like this is even remotely constructive or how it reflects well on this site when someone can post something like this and get points for it? Are you kidding me?!


Isn't the motto of this site DENY IGNORANCE?

IMO it's pretty ignorant to start threads like these and even more so to allow them to continue.

I'm fairly new to this site and I've become very addicted to it in recent months. I like to come because ATS brings very intelligent people together from all over the world into one forum to discuss just about every topic known to man. You can't beat it.

But it is my belief that it goes against the purpose of ATS, which is to bring people together, to allow this type of discussion, which seeks to divide people, to go on. This site is not for bashing other countries. Doesn't make sense to me...

Sorry for the rambling, I'm just a bit disappointed. See you guys in the peru meteorite thread...

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 12:06 PM
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Lols seriously dude, this has a point, its true.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 12:08 PM
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Lol seagull, neither was that post

Or this one


[edit on 19-9-2007 by Branchly]



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