Originally posted by Amelie
The same people who rule us, rule you.

Best one-line post EVER! Nice. Look for admonishment, but, there it is.

Those people who rule us and them are loving this thread. It serves them.

Cuhail

Originally posted by Amelie
The same people who rule us, rule you.

I definately agree with you here, Amelie.

Why is this crap on ATS? Moderators asleep?

The whole basis of this thread is very silly. The point about wanting Iran to have nukes is the most naive and irresponsible comments I have ever heard….and the reason for it…"because we have them"??!!??!?

Give me a break! You don't see the difference in a country like the US having nukes, and a country like Iran having nukes! You are blind to what is going on in this world my friend!

Your blind hatred for this great country is clouding your judgment!

The difference is simple. America does not "bully" other countries as you and others have said. We are not in Iraq to bully or police it's people. We are there because there was a ruthless dictator bent on genocide ruling it. We are there because Islamic fascism is spreading like wild fire across the earth. We are there because no one else will stop it from happening. The world has become pacifist and far too liberal. We can not sit idly by and watch terrorist destroy the world. We, as Americans, take it upon ourselves to defend freedom all over the world. Whether or not you can see that is a personal problem. As I said before, your judgment is clouded by hatred.

The other main difference is that while America does have nuclear weapons, it has no desire to use them. While if Iran had nuclear weapons, they would use them in a heartbeat; and not just on America. They would destroy the entire world.

We as Americans will not let that happen while the rest of the world sits back and pretends there isn't a problem.

Originally posted by nyk537
The other main difference is that while America does have nuclear weapons, it has no desire to use them. While if Iran had nuclear weapons, they would use them in a heartbeat; and not just on America. They would destroy the entire world.

Funny how this Iran conflict is likely to do exactly that. Unfortunately I probably wont be here to say I was right afterwards, because I will be dead, together with the rest of the millions of people that didnt do anything to provoke this war.

There is no way Iran would use their nuclear weapons anymore than China or Russia will. They are not suicidal as a country. You can believe you are fighting the war of freedom if you like, and I guess thats what you have been told you are, but from my European point of view, your country is acting crazy.


[edit on 19-9-2007 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by Copernicus

Originally posted by nyk537
The other main difference is that while America does have nuclear weapons, it has no desire to use them. While if Iran had nuclear weapons, they would use them in a heartbeat; and not just on America. They would destroy the entire world.

Funny how this Iran conflict is likely to do exactly that. Unfortunately I probably wont be here to say I was right afterwards, because I will be dead, together with the rest of the millions of people that didnt do anything to provoke this war.

Thats the kind of pacifist attitude I'm referring to. What difference does it make who "provoked this war". The fact remains that there is real evil in this world, and no one else has the guts to do anything about it. Most people would just stand by while their country was being destroyed, and still not want to retaliate.

Sometimes we just can't sit around and wait to be attacked first. Playing defense in a situation like this will only cost more lives.

Come on folks - surely you should have been able to recognize this guy just trolling for responses from the very first line he posted. I can't believe 4 pages got posted before I saw this. Too Funny.

Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering

Originally posted by intrepid
A preemptive post

Let's keep this clean folks.

...I was born and raised in the USA and I don't have a problem with this country or it's current foreign policy at all. I am proud of our nations achievements in every field. As far as what the US is doing to feed and medicate the world, we are unmatched. I will look for links to back that up but it is common knowledge that we feed the world. We produce more food and medicine than any country out there. We also produce the best weapons such as warplanes and missiles. We also are the only country with a reusable space vehicle. We have a great history of bailing out countrys and continents threatened by hostile governments. We supplied Europe with weapons and men to win two world wars. We also rebuilt Europe after both world wars. What have we done lately? We continue to support peace in Europe (where you are) with NATO. ...

well this might surprise you but anything you are stating above being proud of is not true..
-feeding the world... well hell no. not letting africa up on its own feet, getting more money out than letting in..
-enduring peace in europ. hell yes, thanks your anti-missile system in two eastern countries.
-oh yes and help the ukraine to get some nice orange colors, thank you...
-rebuilt europe just to withstand the russian attack and to be the place where the cold war would have gotten hot...
-you produce vaccines and make patents of it to make mooney big time.
-also thank USA for PROZAC and all this nice stuff lice steroids and so on
-thank you for agent orange
-thank you for being the inly country dropping two atomic bombs
-thnak you for showing how to be a real patriot and how not to listen to others if its something against your way of life (like going to foot some meters)
-thank you for the drive ins
-thank you for drive-by shootings
-thank you for diet-whatever. only fat people dring that # to get fatter and fatter.
-thank you for aspartame (and hell yes, rumsfeld is also inflicted in this)
-god bless you for FREEING HAWAII
-just one sentence to your praise fo arms: you took all your knowledge from those who knew how to kill and invent best at the time.. your subs, your rockets, your tanks, you name it: its kraut-work.
-bailing out states that you intruded and overthrown with cia. you destroyed democracies and put up dictators.
-you dont care about the world as long as your V8 is cruising round the streets wasting oil for nothing.
-yeah - thank you for CRUISING for no apparent reason
-thank you for coca-cola and the weihnachtsmann.
-thank you for showing us the real face

umm, nothing personal against you.
i think you believe this, but.. its not really happening that way. also not all people are happy about such helping.
and you know it from you own life. if your parents take every decision away from you - you won't be able to decide - never.
helping is okay, but not making decisions for other people!

[edit on 19/9/2007 by rxnnxs]

Originally posted by Steff
Im from Sweden, living in California for the last 19 years...and I LOVE IT!....I hear what the oroginal poster says.....Think about it this way....Bush has roundabout 30% approval rating, that means that 70 % of americans are just lioke you.....and I!

i love when people throw these stats in the mix. i ve been poled one time in my life by democrats when kerry was running in 04. they asked me what party i belonged to when i responded that i was not an ass they said they didnt have any more questions for me. so what im saying is that maybe about 30% of dems like him.. im interested to see where you got your info. but living in california says enough. 70% of me says that cali is the most liberal state in the union.. but thats my one sided fact of the day

Originally posted by nyk537
Thats the kind of pacifist attitude I'm referring to. What difference does it make who "provoked this war". The fact remains that there is real evil in this world, and no one else has the guts to do anything about it. Most people would just stand by while their country was being destroyed, and still not want to retaliate.

Sometimes we just can't sit around and wait to be attacked first. Playing defense in a situation like this will only cost more lives.

I know its the kind of attitude you think is pacifist, and maybe it is - the last thing I want in this world is a war. There is no real evil in the world, only different opinions of what is evil. Dont you think some middle east countries regard USA as evil? Its all in the eye of the beholder. There is nothing wrong with not wanting war. Its not cowardly. Its not unpatriotic. You have your head filled with junk if you believe that.

And as for your speach about not wanting to stand by - have you noticed that there havent happened anything? Nothing at all. But your media is constantly telling you lie after lie, making you feel afraid of the world, for this exact purpose. To make you feel like you have to attack first. But why do we in Europe have a completely different view on it then?

This "attack possible threats just in case" scenario is going to get us into a world war, because nobody will accept you doing that. Its illegal and oppressive, and you are a threat to world safety with your actions.

Maybe you need to stand outside your country to see that, I dont know.

Sorry double post

[edit on 19-9-2007 by Truth4hire]

Originally posted by Copernicus

making you feel afraid of the world,

Mainly what makes us afraid is statements like USA must go. Statements like that is the biggest reason we fear. even so who is always the first to give a helping hand in disasters. The USA that you say must go.

There is no real evil in the world, only different opinions of what is evil.

Tell the family and friends of those people. no real evil in the world is the dumbest statement I have ever heard.

[edit on 19-9-2007 by angryamerican]

[edit on 19-9-2007 by angryamerican]

Originally posted by Copernicus
This "attack possible threats just in case" scenario is going to get us into a world war, because nobody will accept you doing that. Its illegal and oppressive, and you are a threat to world safety with your actions.

Maybe you need to stand outside your country to see that, I dont know.

And if that world war to begin, I guarantee you, you would be singing a different tune about America then. You wouldn't consider it illegal or oppressive of us to come and rescue your country would you?

"Maybe you need to stand outside your country to see that..."

America is hated throughout the world and even a large section of Europeans are anti American. I'm not going to have a go at the Americans though, I can't talk, England is pretty much hated for the same reasons. What can you do but stick together! I hate American policy but I don't judge the American people on decisions of afew crazy individuals. I think most of the world have a love hate relationship with the USA. We grow up as children watching the amazing films coming out of Hollywood, we listen to music such as HipHop and we dress ourselves with such labels as Nike and Adidas. There are alot of beautiful things to come out of the USA. I think what frustrates people is how beautiful things could be if America used it's resources to better effect. An argument we have here in England is maybe we should focus on our own problems at home instead of gallivanting around the world helping other people, because most of the time it's not appreciated is it?

Ahum. As an American it´s easy to feel offended by the OP given that the lobbyists, mainstream media and education in America is basically bombarding Americans with the fact that what "we" do is good. It starts in kindergarden or even earlier. You pledge allegiance to the flag every day.

No wonder that if anyone attacks those beliefs you get upset. Same goes for anyone questioning official stories with regards to o, say 9/11, JFK, IRAQ, Federal Reserve, (should I go on?).

Ofcourse you are upset. You are not being told the whole story and nothing but the whole story. Apart from mainstream media like CNN I have started to get my news from the english edition of the Arabian news network station AlJazeera because I simply want to see all sides of the story, not just the Israëli flavoured side of it. I highly recommend viewing the English edition of Aljazeera, and if you cannot get it on cable or satellite there is always the internet (english.aljazeera.net).

Yes I too think there is something wrong with the world, especially in America as it is most visible. This is not neccessarily the fault of Bush/Cheney, but rather the whole system your legal and political system is founded on. Which is: Money, Cash, Dinero. The true rulers of the United States are the powerful lobbyists who can steer any politician in any direction they want by picking and funding their favorite candidate(s).

It really does not matter which party the candidate is from, and it will not matter who is going to be in the White House next fall. Promises will be made, campaigns will be funded, and yes money will be made by the lobbyists - or those they represent - in the war(s) to come.

War is and has always been the single most profitable event in world history. Wars are created, and bankers and industrialists profit from it. They do not care who wins, as long as the conflict goes on for as long as possible.

Look at Iraq, war was created, and is dragged on. I need not remind anyone on ATS who is profiting from that.

So no, take it from a Dutch citizen: U.S.A. must NOT go, rather the system which is ruling the U.S.A. MUST go. The same system (call it N.W.O. Corrupt corporate politics and greed) applies to much of the rest of the world I might add, and it must go.

By whatever means available and the sooner the better.