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Chemtrail Photo, WOW!!!!

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posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 01:13 AM
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I in fact work for the Australian Bureau of Meteorology......so I guess I am a current memeber of a specialist organisation dealing with this topic.

Sir Chan, you aksed for proof and "we three" gave it to you, what more do you want?




posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by sir_chan
The reason it took so long was merely to see who would actually make sure to post the last statements and I see it was you three 90% of the time, babbling about zip on contrail or chemtrail. YOU are the one who was HOPING i had just lost interest because you guys were teaming up(delphi technique).


So, you want to post something on topic (as in chemtrail photos) or you want to accuse us, who just want to bring in some reason and sensibility to the thread, of ganging up on you?

Oh yeah, by the way, I've an entire thread about contrails and it's potential link to climate change. If you're interested in reading about it, you can find it here:

Aircraft contrails contributing to global warming?

I suppose you're going to say that's chemtrail disinfo?



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 01:30 AM
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Not exactly sure at what point the topic went from chemtrails to clouds. Surely it will be blamed on me. Regardless, it is at this point I will point out that not only is my opinion that chemtrails are real, here is a great site where hundreds of others share the same opinion.

www.rense.com...

I am tired of debating. Ok, you guys win. Now everybody else who believes that the chemtrails are real. Go check out that site...



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
I in fact work for the Australian Bureau of Meteorology......

Ok you may be a disinfo agent then…

Sorry I could not resist.


The point is though how can all of us who are destroying this hoax be disinfo agents when we all live in different countries? Wouldn’t we all have to work for some agency somewhere?

Either way, it’s a moot point, as many of the folks who are against the Chemtrail hoax, which I have spoken with in chat or U2U’s, come from various aviation or meteorological backgrounds most of which have nothing to do with the government. Others are meteorology or aviation enthusiasts who again have nothing to do with any government agency. The only thing that we all have in common is an understanding that there is nothing to the Chemtrail hoax other then misidentification of what people see in the sky.



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by sir_chan
www.rense.com...

I am tired of debating. Ok, you guys win. Now everybody else who believes that the chemtrails are real. Go check out that site...


Rense.com…..

OMG, you must be kidding me.
Since you’re pretty new here, let me give you a tad of advice on reliable and unreliable sources. Rense is about one of the worst. You might as well be reading ‘The Sun” magazine. Look through this site and you can se Rense picked on time after time, on all kinds of different topics.



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 01:38 AM
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You give me proof that they exist and I will consider that they are real. But since there is no proof I cant believe........oh dear have i reached my "DISINFORMATION AGENT GOAL" have I finally silenced the chemtrail theorists



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 01:53 AM
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You guys are funny. Or maybe i'm just delirious.

Yes, I do agree on the Rense site being a little sketchey, however what I am interested in is ALL the pictures being taken by ALL the DIFFERENT people. That's all.

TONS OF PICS ON TRAILS

I'll let everybody else form their own opinion.

[edit on 7-10-2007 by sir_chan]



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 02:07 AM
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Ok, how about if we try and help you prove this to yourself. Your going to need a few tools to do this though.

1) You need the number to your local aviation weather service which runs an automated message that will tell you what the weather conditions are at various flight levels in your area.
2) You need to learn how to use one of the flight tracking sites out there.
3) You need to use the contrail simulators I posted the URL’s to in this thread.
4) The contrail prediction site is also a good one to tell if you'll see a lot of trails that day.

With these tools, you can go outside and watch these supposed chemtrail spraying activities, record them, find out what aircraft created them, their altitude, what atmospheric conditions they are flying though, and if they should be generating a contrail or not.

We can sit here and argue what we know for a fact against what it is you believe you are seeing all year long, and nothing is going to prove it to you other then your learning the truth yourself. That is the best advice I can give you at this point…

Let me know what you find out.

[edit on 10/7/2007 by defcon5]



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 02:43 AM
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Has anybody else seen something similar?



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 03:14 AM
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Now that is intriguing. Do you have any other info along with that photo? Time, date, location... stuff like that?



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
Rense.com…..

OMG, you must be kidding me.
Since you’re pretty new here, let me give you a tad of advice on reliable and unreliable sources. Rense is about one of the worst.


Actually there are far worse sources for some stories! Rense carries the work of both the entirely crazy , in my opinion, and the very sane and it's for individuals to choose which is which.
Consigning that entire site to the rubbish heap says more about your bias than it does about the articles you could have found there.


You might as well be reading ‘The Sun” magazine. Look through this site and you can se Rense picked on time after time, on all kinds of different topics.


Sure you can and i have seen some really nonsensical and inaccurate stuff on his site but in many other cases i found claims to go test that turned out to be very revealing!

It's just not true that Rense.com is as bad as then Sun and i wonder if anything could be.


Stellar



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 04:31 PM
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let me preface this post: Im a huge fan of the Smashing Pumpkins, so I was reading the newest blog on their website from the drummer Jimmy Chamberlin and found this:

"
Chemtrails over Southern California
"

so apparently Jimmy Chamberlin is a believer of the chemtrails, maybe a conspiracy theorist as well.

blog can be accessed here:
www.smashingpumpkins.com...



posted on Oct, 8 2007 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by sir_chan


Has anybody else seen something similar?


hi there,
i have seen this type of thing a few times before and there are two poss explainations for the distinct pattern (in that pic) :

1. it is an AWAC plane

2. it is a plane on a test flight after maintenance.

thanks
snoopyuk

(edit for spelling)

[edit on 8-10-2007 by snoopyuk]



posted on Oct, 8 2007 @ 05:26 PM
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I have mentioned this on other threads of this topic....

But I live on a military base with military jets flying every day (well, except weekends). I see these trails every day (well, clear days) - especially in the winter when we get well below zero....the trails just linger for very long periods of time.

I search for chemtrail photos and they do NOT look any different then what I see. So, am I to be told that our military is spraying chemicals over thier own people? The very people who need to work in order to make up the military?

So am I to be told, that my husband who loads weapons onto these jets is also loading chemicals into special secret compartments, that turn around and spray us the very same day?

I just dont buy into....as I have seen no proof that has sold me to this conspiracy theory.



posted on Oct, 8 2007 @ 06:52 PM
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^you're kidding yourself if you think the military does not/never has conducted experiments on their own personnel without their knowledge



posted on Oct, 8 2007 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by ben94gt
^you're kidding yourself if you think the military does not/never has conducted experiments on their own personnel without their knowledge



Im not an idiot and im not kidding myself. So, yeah, everyday they are killing and harming everyone on this base. They are going to destroy all personnell on this base - the very people that are needed to conduct their killing experiments. Oh, and my husband is one of the secret agents that is loading up the jets. Not.

You would think after many many many many years of these exposures of chemtrails, my husband and I would be laid up in a hospital from all sorts of illnesses or dead.....maybe tomorrow.


*off to find my gas mask*


[edit on 8-10-2007 by greeneyedleo]



posted on Oct, 8 2007 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by snoopyuk

Originally posted by sir_chan


Has anybody else seen something similar?

i have seen this type of thing a few times before and there are two poss explainations for the distinct pattern (in that pic) :

1. it is an AWAC plane
2. it is a plane on a test flight after maintenance.

Actually, it looks like a classic holding pattern to me.
Check the link for a diagram of a holding pattern:
Holding Pattern



posted on Oct, 8 2007 @ 10:21 PM
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But aren't holding patterns usually stacked, not parallel to each other?



posted on Oct, 8 2007 @ 11:31 PM
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Hm… I am not sure about that one. Maybe they use two different stacks for two parallel runways. We should ask someone like Snafu, that would be a good question to pose to him. I’ll try and send him a U2U later on.

Of course the older contrail might have drifted on the wind, and that was a stacked holding pattern.

[edit on 10/8/2007 by defcon5]



posted on Oct, 9 2007 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
Of course the older contrail might have drifted on the wind, and that was a stacked holding pattern.


I think if it were blown by the wind the contrails would look more like this:



It even has the entry patterns shown in the wiki link you provided.


The above was found on Google Image Search with the keywords "chemtrail u". I was trying to find out myself the location the racetrack-shaped contrail was taken, since sir_chan did not provide it. A search for the filename, "turnkz8", did not turn up any results.



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