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Russia Says U.S. Attack on Iran Would Be Catastrophic

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 12:55 AM
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Note I don't mention China to much,also they could deliver a monsterous blow just by pulling the dollar.

I never imply Russia would be unscathed.I have a whole big strategy of how Russia could defeat us without being touched though.Heres a very very short version.

We start war with Iran,now we are so busy in the mid east much of our resources and attention would be focused on the region.Mainly because we have to defend our troops in Iraq and our ships in the water,and also Israel from jets,missiles,artillary and maybe if they aren't all bombed some ground forces.

OK so I'm sure you have done your research and know Russia not only supplies Iran but many of our enemies,including Venezuela.So Russia finally wants to make its move on the U.S. right?Why not slip some nukes into the some of the silos on the submarins they have been supplying good ol Chavez with.

So we are concentrating hard on the middle east right now defending from all above threats.Also very very busy watching Chinese and Russian political and military moves.Suddenly the whitehouse gets a phone call.....

"There are X amounet of nuclear weaponized submarines thousands of miles off your coast.We have already aquired targets and are prepared to strike."

This is just one average joe blows plan,obviously they could come up with way more plans,each better than my own.I find it shocking you already forget about the cold war.....They are not afraid of confrontation,and their economy isn't that bad atm because oil oil oil.

Why do you so eagerly deny the threat mainly Russia poses to the U.S.Although China has stolen some of our latest submarine technology and nuclear weapons information withen the past few years.So putin changing documents allowing Russia to strike any enemy force build up beyond its borders is mere politics as well?Threatening nukes on Europe as well?Russian/Chinese/Iranian and many smaller countries all doing war games also all for polotics?

Not to mention huuuge upgrades of both the Russian and Chinese militaries.Ibviously partially motivates by economic and political gains,but also because they see whats coming.

You also will buy into none of the facts but will buy into Russian "facts"?So if they play polotics so much and everything is just political moves then why can't Russia saying "we will only fuel it if they say they wont enrich uranium" also be polotics?Get real man if they were worried about Iran developing nukes they wouldnt have effin built the reactor in the first place.

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:04 AM
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^^^ Gotta love this guy, he write stuff then I reply then he goes back and edits more stuff in, LOL.



Originally posted by Project_Silo
I never imply Russia would be unscathed.I have a whole big strategy of how Russia could defeat us without being touched though.Heres a very very short version.

We start war with Iran,now we are so busy in the mid east much of our resources and attention would be focused on the region.Mainly because we have to defend our troops in Iraq and our ships in the water,and also Israel from jets,missiles,artillary and maybe if they aren't all bombed some ground forces.


Well Israel can defend herself, with nukes if necessary. As for teh middle east, I don't think the US has any strategic resources deployed there except for a few aircraft carriers.


OK so I'm sure you have done your research and know Russia not only supplies Iran but many of our enemies,including Venezuela.So Russia finally wants to make its move on the U.S. right?Why not slip some nukes into the some of the silos on the submarins they have been supplying good ol Chavez with.


Since when has Russia supplied Venezuela with missile subs. Arming them with nukes is even more ridiculous.


So we are concentrating hard on the middle east right now defending from all above threats.Also very very busy watching Chinese and Russian political and military moves.Suddenly the whitehouse gets a phone call.....

"There are X amounet of nuclear weaponized submarines thousands of miles off your coast.We have already aquired targets and are prepared to strike."


Yep and the whitehouse would reply we also have 4X as many subs as you do and 20X the wareads on those subs than you do. " Go ahead make my day ! ". No offence but if you even believe this is remotely possible you really are living in fantasy adn quite frankly a little daft. No offence.

This is just one average joe blows plan,obviously they could come up with way more plans,each better than my own.I find it shocking you already forget about the cold war.....They are not afraid of confrontation,and their economy isn't that bad atm because oil oil oil.

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:06 AM
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By the way we have been moving a lot of missile defense systems to Israel over the past few years.Your right Israel is a big boy but they would not just use a nuke like that,that would surely start ww3.heh.

You can good russian deals with Venezuela.it is fact that Russia has been supplying them with everything from uniforms to air defense to submarines.Not to mention good ol Chavez visits Russia all the time,hell even the day before Putin came to the U.S and went on a boat ride with Bush.

Ya ok .just how is the whitehouse going to have time to reply.As soon as Venezuela detects any movement what so ever they push the butten.End of story.And we would know that,we would have no choice but to go out with a bang or surrender.

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by Project_Silo
Ya ok .just how is the whitehouse going to have time to reply.As soon as Venezuela detects any movement what so ever they push the butten.End of story.And we would know that,we would have no choice but to go out with a bang or surrender.


If you can't answer that yourself it shows how little you know. You obviously have read nothing about America's nuclear deterranc, teh chains of command, the communications structure. Absolutely ridiculous. How old are you ? 12,13,14 ?



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:08 AM
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He says to negotiate. Yet if there are no downsides for Iran (war or sanctions which Russia and China oppose), then what is the motivation for Iran cooperating? I don't want war, but even I know this won't work.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by Project_Silo

By the way we have been moving a lot of missile defense systems to Israel over the past few years.Your right Israel is a big boy but they would not just use a nuke like that,that would surely start ww3.heh.


Start WWIII how ? You think Russia would nuke Israel, lol.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:13 AM
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Start WWIII how ? You think Russia would nuke Israel, lol.


Lol,you really have no idea at all.I did not say Russia would Nuke Israel.Surely some one like Pakistan might though ehh?hehAlso you seem to not understand the global effect any nation launching a nuke would have.Why are you still going if you don't have any grasp of basic knowledge like Russian arms deals and effects of nukes?

As soon as Venezuela saw any movement the butten would be pushed.AndI don't know my facts yet uyou don't know Russia supplies Venezuela with boat loads of gear.Pfft please dude.

Oh ok so venezuela wouldn't launch,they would instead allow the U.S to come take out their subs or hit their homeland.No the U.S would be forced to surrender period.Or hit Venezuela hard as hell and take some nukes ourselves.What don't you understand.

Besides this is way off topic.The point is your ignorant as hell thinking Russia or yes maybe even China would not jump at the chance to take out the U.S.Times have changed man and I suggest you stop your unwillingness to change your mind,or even be open to a suggestion from the other side.

Sigh I'm done with this now.


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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:14 AM
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I am confused. The WHOLE premise behind this site is that there are powers to be that HIDE the real meanings of things because they don't want them to be found out.

Yet...whenever an article is posted about something of this nature we see all this rhetoric of who is tougher, or reasons why we shouldn't or should or this and that because the economy will do this or that.

Do we not ALREADY know that the NWO is reality, even though hidden, exists. That the AGENDA of the world leaders is to have a ONE WORLD GOVT. So when an official of ANY country says something can you take it for what it's worth or perhaps the old saying goes, READ BETWEEN THE LINES...
and just know that whatever you are feeling may be the exact response they were looking for when it was said.

But really, what do I know, I'm just as ignorant as the next dude.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:16 AM
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I completely agree with you about reading between the lines.Believe me I do everytime I'm researching anything at all.I still come to the conclusion that the chance of Iran escalating into something unthinkable is very very high,even while reading between the lines.

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:25 AM
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First off stop editing your posts after I've replied, that's kind of cheating.


Originally posted by Project_Silo


Start WWIII how ? You think Russia would nuke Israel, lol.


Lol,you really have no idea at all.I did not say Russia would Nuke Israel.Surely some one like Pakistan might though ehh?hehAlso you seem to not understand the global effect any nation launching a nuke would have.Why are you still going if you don't have any grasp of basic knowledge like Russian arms deals and effects of nukes?


And this is your argument, you aren't talking bollocks. You still hvaen't explained how WWIII wold brak out. You hvae been playing to mnay ideo games, not enough reading.



Lmao thats a fact man.As soon as Venezuela saw any movement the butten would be pushed.AndI don't know my facts yet uyou don't know Russia supplies Venezuela with boat loads of gear.Pfft please dude.


LMAO, so since when did Venezuela track American SSBN's ( you do know what they are, actually you probably don't ) ?, since when did they have spy satellites watching American silos, actuall sincewhen did they have any Eearly Warning capability ? Completely stupid. And of course there is the obvious question why would Venezuela want to get annihilated ? DAFT.


Oh ok so venezuela wouldn't launch,they would instead allow the U.S to come take out their subs or hit their homeland.No the U.S would be forced to surrender period.Or hit Venezuela hard as hell and take some nukes ourselves.What don't you understand.


Hmm, you still hvaen't exaplined why this situation would come about. Are you daft ? Not even the waorst technothriller author would writre crap this bad. NOt even remotely believable.


Besides this is way off topic.The point is your ignorant as hell thinking Russia or yes maybe even China would not jump at the chance to take out the U.S.Times have changed man and I suggest you stop your unwillingness to change your mind,or even be open to a suggestion from the other side.


LOL, right I have lived in China for quite some time, I know far far more than you could ever hope to. And I've even been to Russia. Dude I think you're the ignorant one here. Anyone with half a brain can see the scenario you present is pure garbage. Like I said when you finish kindergarten, you will have another 13 years to learn, tehn you can comment with maybe a tiny little bit of authority.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by Project_Silo
I completely agree with you about reading between the lines.Believe me I do everytime I'm researching anything at all.I still come to the conclusion that the chance of Iran escalating into something unthinkable is very very high,even while reading between the lines.



Gawd if this is your best research, don't bother ever lookig for a job, no one will look twice at you.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:37 AM
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If you can't have a adult conversation without insults I'm done.I feel I have proven my points and you have no comments worth responding to.

You think Israel launching a nuke is no big deal.
You believe "Russia says they wont fuel the ractor if Iran stops enriching uranium."
You didn't even know about Russia arms deals to Venezuela.
You think nuclear submarines sitting thousands of miles off our coast is no big deal.
You think Russia,China have nothing to gain from removing the U.S.
You severely under estimate the amount of artillary/missiles/jets/ maybe ground forces would have when we do attack Iran.
You don't know we have much more than just aircraft carriers in the gulf,we have warships,submarines,and many smaller patrol style boats.BTW the subs have nukes in them.
You fail to see the threat of Russia,and it looks like you forgot the cold war also.
I'm sure you don't know about the sunburn missiles that Russia has given iran that can take out our ships in the gulf.More politics huh?
You severely fail to see the strong allience these countries have built.

You are more than unwilling to sway from your position no matter what is presented to you.Even though i feel I have proven my point that a war with iran is bad news in every sense of the word.I will now submit to your superiority.You win and I'm done highjacking yet another thread trying to have a conversation.



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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by Project_Silo
If you can't have a adult conversation without insults I'm done.I feel I have proven my points and you have no comments worth responding to.


Take a leaf out of your own book. How can I hvae an adult converstaion when I'm arguing with a kid ? You have proven nothing, if you wrote this for a school paper it would be an F.


You are more than unwilling to sway from your position no matter what is presented to you.Even though i feel I have proven my point that a war with iran is bad news in every sense of the word.I will now submit to your superiority.You win and I'm done highjacking yet another thread trying to have a conversation.


LOL your point once again is ridiculous, Venezuela nuking the US and the US just accepting it. Pure fantasy land, where is the logic ? I'm still waiting for it. Proven your point LMAO, you haven't even presented anything to prove it. Your complete lack of understanding of themilitary and geopolitical world has been laid bare.
Like I said several times you are a kid right ? I can forgive your previous statements if you are. Then again you are a pproduct of teh US eduaction system, maybe it isn't your fault.

Watch this from ABC 20/20

STUPID IN AMERICA



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 02:02 AM
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Russia wouldn't do crap in any situation, a barking Chihuahua that used to have teeth, now who cares what it says. Putin's country is mafialand now in case you haven't talk to any Russians recently. With the USSR dissolved, and even more parts of Russia thinking of going independent, Moscow has got it's hands full. That country or whatever's left of it is struggling to stay afloat amidst it's own recent implosion.

Russia is no longer relevant in the world stage. Now the main players are China and USA. And I agree totally with madscientist, China would not openly go to war with US. We are China's largest trading partner now. Do you know how many USA engineers, architects, city planners are helping China built and develop it's megacities? It's built on western, or should I say US principles, yeah, China, becoming US, just wait.

Sometimes I wonder if some of you here should just live elsewhere, like Europe, I think you will be happier there with the socialism mindset.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by chickeneater
Russia wouldn't do crap in any situation,

They never said they would...

There seems to be a bunch of people failing utterly to deny ignorance by only reading the headline, then jumping the gun.

In the article, Russia is warning that an attack would cause yet more instabilities in the Middle East and more international mis-trust of the US.

However, I do have to disagree about Russia not being a player on the world stage. They've rebuilt quite a bit since their collapse (they're really good at rebuilding, they've had a lot of practice) and still retrain the second largest military industrial complex in the world. They haven't been spending much on their military, but where do you think China is buying their weapons from?



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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 02:19 AM
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If your talking about me I gather my assumtion from much much more then reading a headline.In fact many poeple see the dangers,including poeple in the military.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 02:23 AM
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Nope, I'm talking about a number of people who seem to believe that Russia has threatened to go to war over Iran.

Russia has committed to finishing their contract work on the reactor they are building. They are a strong trade partner with Iran. They have military contracts with Iran.

I don't think I've ever seen them state that they are willing to go to war with the US to defend Iran... but many people seem to believe they have said something to that effect.

Oh yeah, just to make you happy I'll add that I believe that Russia, China, and Venezuela could utterly destroy the US if they decided to. It would be ugly on a scale the world has never seen before, but they could do it. To start, all they have to do is stop trading oil in Dollars and dump their reserves. Instant economic crash for the US.

I certainly hope it never comes to that.
The last thing I want is American Refugees flooding my city!


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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by Project_Silo
If your talking about me I gather my assumtion from much much more then reading a headline.


Maybe that's the problem. You're gathering assumptions instead of reading and comprehending the articles.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 02:29 AM
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I can assure you that is not the case.I am un able to work because a back injury and all I do is check news,all the time,from all different sources all over the world.I'm actually pretty obsessed with it.So how can you tell me I dont read articles through or I just make ssumptions,then turn around and make a false assumption yourself?

I stated many facts about the nations I talked about and could state many many more but lately I have been in the habbit of getting into never ending discussions with a certain kind of poeple and ruining the thread for everyone.

At least here though the arguement is kind of related to the topic.None the less sorry OP.



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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 03:39 AM
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Russia is bluffing thier not gonna risk MAD over Iran and if they do so be it. We all have to go sometime and I'm sick of the middle east. Somebody needs to show the cavemen we're not messing around.

...... and no I don't have a death wish and no I'm not a republican.

I use the term cavemen loosely because lets face it some of us are few more generations from swinging in the trees then others.

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