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Jesus,Not God's Only Son!

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posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 08:45 AM
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Jesus,Not God's Only Son!

This thread is kind've an add on to my other one,God & Jesus,Are They One And The Same?

So i shall start with a comment about that first.
I was looking through the Gospel of Thomas and came across this comment....

15) Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman,
prostrate yourselves on your faces and worship him. That one is
your Father."

Jesus was born of woman was he not?
Its not surprising then that at the first Council of Nicea the Gospel of Thomas was banned from being part of the Holy Scriptures!


Now,to the title of this thread.
We are told that Jesus is God's only begotten son,but this is not so!

Genesis 18:11-17.""11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?

13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son....

17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;""

Genesis 21:1-2."" And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken. 2 and Sarah concieved and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.""


1 Samuel.2:21.""And the LORD visited Hannah, so that she conceived, and bare three sons and two daughters.""


So,it appears that God had at least 4 more sons and 2 daughters!!
(he even questions himself about hiding what he will do from Abraham.)
Why then does no Christian faith aknowledge them?
Is it because God didn't stand forth and say that these were his children as he did with Jesus?
Or is there more sinister reason?







[edit on 18-9-2007 by jakyll]




posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 09:55 AM
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- jesus called us brothers and sisters
- jesus prayed that we would be one with the father as he is one
- paul said we are part of the body of christ (not a government body)
- jesus defended himself and said that we are all sons of God

the list goes on and on...

now if Jesus were born from a 'god' (i.e. 'alien' race) or through some 'test' tube experiment, etc. - then he would be 'more "god" than others'. Kind of like Ickes reptilian theory...albeit he draws on ancient sources, so its not even really his theory, just an aspect or viewpoint on it.

so have fun...read and see what you get out of it..."the one that seeks will find...when they search with all their heart". (last phrase is key)

Peace

dAlen



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 10:53 AM
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That is intersting. Would that mean 7 offspring? Isn't seven an important number in the Bible? Glad you brought this up, I am looking forward to learning more about this.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 11:01 AM
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hmmm them are some good point's you pointed out,never really though about it like that,i wonder if the kids that were born like this if their offspring would be "godlike" as well?... could be the reason for all of the other claimed "god/man" that were accounted for aroud the world....

thats if you see the bible to be true that is.

good post.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 05:38 PM
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The number seven (in the Bible ) is generally symbolic for completness: seven days of creation, seven letters to churches and seven seals ( in Revelation ) are just a few. Its been awhile for me since I've read the whole Bible, but from what I remember, an overwhelming correlation between seven and completness exists. If you're really curious ( it is an interesting topic ) grab a concordance and track all ( or as many as you care to ) occurrences of seven in the Bible.

Nice thread.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 07:06 PM
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Those verses you used were completely out of context.
Genesis 18:
1 The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, "If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, [a] do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant."
"Very well," they answered, "do as you say."

6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. "Quick," he said, "get three seahs of fine flour and knead it and bake some bread."

7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

9 "Where is your wife Sarah?" they asked him.
"There, in the tent," he said.

10 Then the LORD [c] said, "I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife will have a son."
Now Sarah was listening at the entrance to the tent, which was behind him. 11 Abraham and Sarah were already old and well advanced in years, and Sarah was past the age of childbearing. 12 So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, "After I am worn out and my master [d] is old, will I now have this pleasure?"

13 Then the LORD said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh and say, 'Will I really have a child, now that I am old?' 14 Is anything too hard for the LORD ? I will return to you at the appointed time next year and Sarah will have a son."

15 Sarah was afraid, so she lied and said, "I did not laugh."
But he said, "Yes, you did laugh."
Abraham Pleads for Sodom
16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the LORD said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."

20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD. [e] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare [f] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge [g] of all the earth do right?"

26 The LORD said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."

27 Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?"
"If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."

29 Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?"
He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it."

30 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?"



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 07:11 PM
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Geeez!!!

It's rather simple.

YOU!!! That's right!!!! You!!!! are the son of god.

But just like Jesus preached. YOU!!! don't want to take on that responsibility because YOUUUUU!!!!!!!!!! just like his disciples, ARE COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 07:24 PM
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I would agree that I am a son, a child, of God. However, that does not mean I am a Son of God. Jesus was the only Son of God, or so I am convinced by Scripture. Jesus is the only Son of God.
It is not being a coward to admit that I am not God.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 07:45 PM
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How is it taken out of context?
The story around the incident does not matter.
What matters is God visits Sarah as he said he would and she conceived a son! ""he did unto Sarah as he had spoken!""
Not too hard to work out what that means!

He also did the same with Hannah,several times!!



Jesus also wasn't the first or only one to rise from the dead.

2 Kings 4:32-35

And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed. He went in therefore, and shut the door upon them twain, and prayed unto the LORD. And he went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands: and stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm. Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times.



2 Kings 13:21

And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.



Luke 7:12-15

Now when he came nigh to the gate of the city, behold, there was a dead man carried out, the only son of his mother, and she was a widow: and much people of the city was with her. And when the Lord saw her, he had compassion on her, and said unto her, Weep not. And he came and touched the bier: and they that bare him stood still. And he said, Young man, I say unto thee, Arise. And he that was dead sat up, and began to speak. And he delivered him to his mother.



Jesus also wasn't the only one to ascend into heaven!

2 Kings 2:11-12.

11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more:




[edit on 18-9-2007 by jakyll]



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by mnmetalfan1
I would agree that I am a son, a child, of God. However, that does not mean I am a Son of God. Jesus was the only Son of God, or so I am convinced by Scripture. Jesus is the only Son of God.
It is not being a coward to admit that I am not God.


You're sparsing words.

"I am a son, a child, of God."? "Jesus was the only Son of God"?

You are only confusing yourself.

I'm not here to educate, but I can't understand people that don't take personal responsibility for there actions. I understand actions they take due to societal suppression, but when you systematically kill people by law(policy), you became luficer or dearth vadar(in fiction of course) or, worse, HITLER.

I really do feel sorry for people that continue to close their eyes. It's really sad. The people that think that Paris Hilton and Britney and OJ are more important than US' planned invasion in Iran, are going to suffer a great deal.





[edit on 18-9-2007 by Conundrum04]



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 07:52 PM
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Oh,and those quotes also show that Jesus wasn't the only one to work "miracles."

If you look hard enough in the bible,you will find many things that the church doesn't teach to you!!



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 09:19 PM
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In studying you have to take the words into context; now I don't have the exatc books in which I am relating this too but; in the recent weeks I was taught that;
the lord is suseptable to being labeled a lord is s/he is; So forth if it is written as GOD such as God said _________; it very well has the chance to be one follows God it can be written as the pronoun for say...


If you follow the book it will show you the path.

Happy travels.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 09:51 PM
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I would say that Jesus was the only one to work miracles. Others, ie prophets, performed miracles. The difference is that Jesus did miracles on his own because he was God. It was really God doing the miracles when the prophets performed them. An example would be the Israelites crossing the Sea of Reeds. Was it Moses himself who parted the waters, or was it God? In that way, there were others who did miracles, but Jesus was the only one who could do them by himself.

[edit on 18-9-2007 by mnmetalfan1]



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 10:53 PM
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People all of you ARE God. You aren't the sons of God, nor are you separate from him. You are him. You must simply awaken to this reality as Jesus did in order to perform miracles. Take the Buddhists in China who simply meditate daily to be with God, they are capable of telekinesis. What you call miracles are actually abilities and powers that lie within you.

Go deep within and you will find what Jesus was really saying when he said we are all the sons of God. Besides wouldn't you Christains like some tangible spiritual experience instead of reading a book all the time?



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:09 AM
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You basically contradicted yourself there buddy. So are we the sons of god or not?


I understand where you are coming from though.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:38 AM
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The world of spirit and the world of flesh are different. The comments of father and Son have a medaphoric meaning.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God as in actually part of God and was around during the creation of Earth.

Yet in Spirit God and Jesus are one, in humanly turns he is his son sent to Earth. In spirit God Jesus The Holy Spirit, the saints from the harrowing of hell, and all that believe in him are all part of the one body of Christ.

Do you see how in spirit the idea of individual is less defined, but when he was born of Mary he was the Son of God.

He also contridicts those that claim to be sons of Abraham showing they are acting like sons of the devil.

39They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father " Jesus said to them, "If you are Abraham's children, do the deeds of Abraham.

40"But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. "

41"You are doing the deeds of your father "
They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God."

42Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.

43"Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.

44"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

45"But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.

46"Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me?

47"He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God."




[edit on 19-9-2007 by Redge777]



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by Vipassana
You must simply awaken to this reality as Jesus did in order to perform miracles. Take the Buddhists in China who simply meditate daily to be with God, they are capable of telekinesis. What you call miracles are actually abilities and powers that lie within you.


I find our ability to do miricles is because we are a conduit of spiritual power, the power does not come from us, but through are belief and faith it flows through us from God to do the work of the spirit that it comes from.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by Redge777

I find our ability to do miricles is because we are a conduit of spiritual power, the power does not come from us, but through are belief and faith it flows through us from God to do the work of the spirit that it comes from.



God is not a duality. God is singularity. The Universe is constructed of God and we are part of that, spiritual dimensions or physical.



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by Vipassana

God is not a duality. God is singularity. The Universe is constructed of God and we are part of that, spiritual dimensions or physical.


Really? How so?

"God is singularity"? So are you saying God is seperate from us?

Who is this God you speak of? Can you see him/her/whatever? So how did this God create this universe?



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by Vipassana

Originally posted by Redge777

I find our ability to do miricles is because we are a conduit of spiritual power, the power does not come from us, but through are belief and faith it flows through us from God to do the work of the spirit that it comes from.



God is not a duality. God is singularity. The Universe is constructed of God and we are part of that, spiritual dimensions or physical.


I guess my intent was to say that the ultimate do'er of the miricle is God, he may use us in coarse of his plans, but the power and the decision comes from him not us.



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