ATS.MIX: 21 – Alien Experiencer JIM RUFF

Wow Jim, this is pickling my brain! I've no idea how you must feel!

Who or what showed you all these things and explained it all?

I am really confused here, forgive me. So the aliens take our negative emotions, for instance if we are feeling hatred, this emotion sets off negative impulses in our brain which these things pick up and download into a "Negative Emotion Bank" if you will? Who can then take these negative emotions and why would they want them? Surely if they where drug like you would want the to make you feel good and happy?

Forgive me again if you think I am being ignorant, I am only 17 I do not quite understand.

Much love,
Peace.

Well just read your post about why they use it.

You are going to think I have just made this up, but I am telling the truth here 150%!

My uncle and I are very close, we play games a lot online, but recently I have gotten better than him at one of the games and we have a match and I beat him, BOOM! All hell kicked off! He started sending me emails calling em every name under the sun you can imagine! we was really really annoyed, I argued back with him for maybe 4 e-mails then I stopped, thinking I'll be the better person here, it's never good to argue. So I stopped arguing with him, but he kept on sending me e-mail harassing me, calling me names etc, i read them but did not reply. Earlier today my Mum(Mom) phone him to see what it was all about, and he said he had no idea why he did it!! He said he must have just got annoyed, but has no idea why he sent me such abusive e-mails! (He sent me about 30 after I had stopped sending them!) So then you tell me about these things making people have conflicts! Freaking me out!

Are these Depanoid the ones that told you about the radionics? If not I would suggest maybe the creature you saw the bush that night on the overpass was maybe a Depanoid, it maybe knows you have had contact with another being that have told you all the inside information.

Did you read my post about my dream? I don't want to take it any further, I just thought I would share it, weird don't you think? especially that i remember the texture of the "hand".

Anyway have a good and safe trip!

Peace dude!


[edit on 20-9-2007 by Neomax]

Hello Neomax,

You're asking really good questions. I can't believe you're 17. Truly amazing.
Anyway, to understand why anyone would choose to be injected with negativity, you would need to understand the nature of these entities.

Once again I apologize for not explaining this more fully. I truly appreciate the opportunity to clear up any confusion.

These entities belong to a 'higher class' of entities known as 4th Density. Not dimension, although some people use that term as well.

Once we leave our earthly 3rd density existence, we move on to 4th density. This density however, splits into Positive and Negative polarities.

Therefore, since these beings are negatively charged, what's good is bad, and what is bad is good to them. There is no such thing as 'good' or 'bad' at this level, but that is the easiest way to explain this.

These entities lost their emotional capacity eons ago. I am not sure if it was accidental or intentional. I didn't care much at that time to know.

Anyway, they discovered long ago how to 'inject' pleasurable feelings into their system, and it's through the use of negative emotions. It's like subtracting a negative number from another negative number.

-1- (-1) = 0. Getting to zero is the goal, because otherwise they are in Positive territory, which is a bad thing to them.

What other questions do you have?

peace to you, Neomax.

Jim

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Neomax,

As to your dream, I feel this is something you should investigate with a professional. Such as a paranormal investigator. Strongly recommend.

Peace.

I had an experience when I was much younger where I used to sleepwalk and leave my house. I used to wake up in the middle of the night and feel like someone or somehting was watching me. One night I woke up facing my windows which were next to my bed and standing right outside my window was a creature which matches your exact description in the video. The most unmistakable features are the eyes and the skin. I also remember long fingers or long nails but short arms in proportion to the size of the fingers. The eyes were very large in comparison to the head and were sort or set to the sides and up yet they still faces forward. I would say the one I witnessed had eyes the size of my fists and maybe even slightly larger then that. The eyes and the stare is so haunting its like looking into the eyes of Asmodeus himself.

I have had multiple experiences and I have also witnessed 3 crafts which were silver or white. All of my experiences however had religious or spiritual undertones.

[edit on 20-9-2007 by Raphael]

Raphael,

I greet you in peace.

The entity you saw, does it match the following description I posted on the MUFON BB Aug 26, 2007?

"I saw an alien outside Salt Lake City with the following description: dark orange-brown 'skin' I guess. I didn't see any clothing. The head was very big, about 1/3 the size of the body. The eyes were NOT the 'wrap-around' kind, common to greys, but they were very big, comprising about 1/2 the face. They seemed to be dark brown, but glowed a dull orange in my flashlight beam. They also seemed to be slightly irregular-shaped. It was about 4 1/2 to 5 feet tall, with what appeared to be a slight smirk on its otherwise featureless face. The body was spindly, but I don't know how long the arms were, as it was half-hidden in the brush."


or this picture, posted earlier?

upload.wikimedia.org...

It will be very interesting to see if these match what you saw, Raphael. Also, what kind of 'spiritual undertones'? What do you mean, exactly? I didn't get a good feeling from my encounter at all.

Once again, thanks for the post, and peace to you.

Jim

see i kind of know what I'm talking about *cough* Now to rid myself of this cough and headache...
Oh Jim I hope your trip was safe and uneventful.

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I hate sleepwalking so much. I think I only had one incident, back in Cali, I don't remember it at all but it scared the pants off my parents. I think i was 11 or 12, I stumble into their room, speak in some weird language, then I headed back to bed.
Also apparently I used to have night terrors constantly as a kid...

[edit on 21-9-2007 by Chiiru]

Hello again Jim,

I hope you trip was pleasant and you arrived safely.

I have been thinking on what you said about these entities, The Depanoid, Firstly can I ask how you seen the radionics take place? and who or what showed you this process?

Secondly, you said that these beings are in a 4th density, a higher plane than our 3rd density, and that in the 4th density there is positive and negative, the depanoids being negative. Forgive me but this would lead me to believe there would be a positive being aswell? Doing what The Depanoids do, only with positive signals?

Maybe this is like a "reverse karma" or maybe a 4th density Yin and Yang? Would they not balance each other out? However they probably wouldn't use radionics as The Depanoids do because I couldn't see The Depanoids letting them so maybe they use some other way to extract the positive signals in our brain when we are happy and peaceful? Was this concept ever explained to you in any way?

It's all just my thoughts of course but as I said in an earlier post, I don't really have a religion but I tend to lean towards Budhism, and I am very curious of the concept of Karma and Yin and Yang and balancing forces etc.

To Observe50 if you are still frequenting this thread.

I have read about your experiences and they are insanly interesting! You speak of the one you went with telling you that something has gone wrong and that they will step in when the time is right.

So this is just a wild theory I will throw out.

On Earth today (in my opinion) there is more evil and hatred and just plain badness than there is good, maybe because something has gone wrong in the 4th density and the Depanoid have grown bigger than the "Positive version". Maybe if these Depanoid and the "Positive version" turn out to be the 4th density controllers of balance on Earth and the Greys you speak of will either fix this or balance it up when the time comes that the Positive side have grown very weak?

Just a wild theory, I have no proof, and for my theory to work, there would have to be a "Positive version" of the depanoid...and also both of you would have to be telling the truth but I believe you are!

Anyways I'm in work and I actually have to go and do some work now so I'll catch up later.

Peace to you all.

I've been reading a bit on radionics, It seems it is a process where "Healing Energy" is willed into a persons "Invisible Energy Field" for healing of underlying illnesses. Apparently it was first invented or used in 1930's where machine where built to send these "Healing Energy Waves" into people.

Perhaps what you are talking about is some sort of "Reverse Radionics" as the Depanoids are taking the energy instead of giving?

Just a thought.

Peace.

From the things I have seen in my experiences I think I can say this and you won't shoot the messenger.

My understanding is the Grey's believe that Earth is there Laboratory. There are other species of life here and from my understanding the Nasca symbols are directional locators for different species. Peru was important to them from the beginning unfortunately why, I don't know.

The one I go to had told me that the species can do what they do as long as it does not interfere with what they (the Grey's are doing) If another species were to interfere they will do battle with them and they will attempt to take there battles out over the waters because they do not want any of there ships crashing on our lands.

Now, I believe after reading what Jim has written that he is having contact with another one of these species that is here. I would suggest Jim sit and write it all out as calmly as he can so we can see if there is any connection what-so-ever.

I was listening to the new Mix out today and they are talking about the Reptoids and it was quite interesting. I was taken with what was being said about animal mutilations and his thoughts are much more logical then what you normally read about.

I was told that we try to hard through Science to prove things, we must use logic and common sense, he said the answers are the simplest the ones you always overlook.

People need a place to express themselves in one area. ATS would I believe benefit if they opened an area just for people like ourselves where we can talk. Experiencers/contactee's/ abductee's are all over this board and it is very difficult. I think it would be nice instead of grouping ufo's and aliens in one area that it be seperated, this way people who want to discuss just ufo's can do so and we can keep all our information on other life forms in our area.

The only thing that might change people is total fear. Maybe we do need a fear factor so people will wake up and realize this isn't what life was meant to be.

We all must share everything in PEACE

[edit on 21-9-2007 by observe50]

Neoman,

Your dream was interesting, you should write it down in a journal.

You are only 17 and you seem to express yourself as an extremely intelligent person. Each time something like this occurs write it down. Sometime recall comes to you like this and it takes years to put it together and to understand it a little better.

Hello, Neomax, and Peace,

I have arrived after about a ten-hour drive. I am going to stay the night here, then drive to Kansas. I don't think I will have internet access there, so I will reply upon my return.

Once again you have provided some pertinent questions. I appreciate you, Neomax.

Here are my answers:

1) The Depanoid showed me their system which I heard as 'radionics'. I do not know what this term means; thanks for looking that up. It doesn't make sense with the definition, but as pointed out, they are obviously putting a reverse spin on it.

I saw a complete demonstration, but not the inside of the eguipment or any blueprints or plans or anything.

While they were showing me their antennae, storage containers, filters, and downloading, they were also somehow feeding or injecting my brain directly with what was happening.

It completely horrified me. When you see me on the screen, remember that was 9 days later and I still looked like that.

2.) There are indeed 4th Density Positive beings. Some of them look very much like earth humans.
Unfortunately, 4thDP entities adhere strictly to a policy of non-interference. They are not doing anything with radionics or anything else which would interfere with our society, biology, culture or anything else.

Apparerently they do contact individuals from time to time but I have not been a recipient of their contact, to the best of my knowledge.

3.) As posted above, there is no outright battle going on between the Depanoid and any 4thDP society of which I am aware. There are skirmishes among other 4th D Negatives, such as the Greys. The Greys are not here to help us in any way. They regard this planet and everything on it as 'theirs' and only tolerate the Depanoid because they have to.

Currently there is a tense 'cease-fire' between these two factions. It will remain that way as long as the Depanoid get their drugs and the Greys get their biology and whatever they need to safeguard such. In other words, Greys are working to duplicate Earth somewhere else, and/or create a Society of Hybrids which are more 'grey-friendly'. Again, this is for their own purposes. As 4DN, they don't really care about anyone but themselves.

This may set off a small uproar, as the Greys have managed to convince many people that they are spiritual and are here to help us. This is simply not true. They are here for themselves, in the same way explorers from europe primarily went to the New World.

Peace, Neomax.

Jim

[edit on 21-9-2007 by jim_ruff]

I'm sorry I could not reply faster.

Jim: The picture you posted above is somewhat similar to what I saw but not quite. The eyes I saw were larger in comparison to the face. The eyes were also set much more toward the top of the head.

I believe we both witnessed the same type of beings. This being which I encountered was very evil. He took me to the top of the bottomless pit and told me to follow him and I would receive great power. The being used to come a few nights a week to pay a visit which was extremely traumatic for someone as young as I was. He told me he was from Zeta Reticuli and had the ability to project thoughts and communication through my brain. I was shown visions, almost like a virtual reality machine where you know your not there but it feels real. I was afraid for many year that I had submitted to this alien and given my soul away. I believe this was Abaddon who I was speaking and visiting with. He did show me the bottomless pit.


5 - 7 years later. I was praying to God crying my eyes out when external thoughts and communications began to be projected into my brain again. It was like the first time only this time it was the middle of the day. I was given information about the future which certain things have already become true. I was told the 10 commandments and to follow them. I said the Jewish prayer the Sh'ma which I did not even remotely know but my lips utttered and did say the prayer out loud.

I felt like I was going to die from the overwhelming energy which was running through my body. I also was able to hear audibly the sound of a rushing stream or similar to a shower running. This was a soothing noise amongst everything that was going on.

I cried out God help me as I began to shake uncontrollably. When there was no reply from God, I called out again with what felt like the last breath I had left. Jesus Mary please help me. It was on the word Jesus that I saw a brilliant light. This light was so bright and so high up in the sky it looked like it had just come out of some sort of teleporter device. It just appeared on the word.

The light looked like a burning cross of white satin when it began a fast descent and broke apart into 3 lights. The lights decended over me and stopped. Then one light moved left and right back and forth above my head and very fast speeds. Faster then any known human craft could maneuver. I was frozen with awe when it soon became more of a fear. I cried out, I am scared yet I feel your love. Then I small hourglass shaped org came from one of the crafts through my window and a being came out of it. I was frozen so I could not see this being but I heard it walking. I began to say the Sh'ma again and passed out.

When I awoke it was night time and I awoke looking straight up into the sky. I saw three lights that looked like the belt of Orion spin in a circle formation and fly off into a streak of light.

At this point I still felt a presence with me and I asked, who are you? The reply was Raphael. I remember being so ignorant and young all I could reply was " A spanish name? "

Raphael told me my mother was going to die young and I would marry someone named Shulamith. I was told I would forget all my memories of this until the time was right. Raphael then told me some greater detailed biblical things and he told me my new name was Rock. I also remember saying word for word some writings out of the book of Tobit which I found over a decade after my experience. Reading the book of Tobit was remarkable for me because I found my words in it word for word. I can't even tell you how strange that feels.

For many years I tried to shrug it off as my imagination but the more research I started doing the more it convinced me it was real. There are many many other details I have not mentioned as it would take writing a novel.

This is not a coincidence there is something going on deep under the skin of the world as we know it.

[edit on 22-9-2007 by Raphael]

Jim:
I want to talk more about the first experience where I saw the being which you describe in your own experience. I had been visited by this entity close to two years on and off before It stopped. I remember I used to lay in bed and meditate before I would fall asleep. Some nights I would have a regular sleep but others I would be visited in my dreams by the same being. It was a Human looking person who would always ask me to give up my soul to receive great power. On one occasion he showed me the bottomless pit which I believe was a metaphoric vision but what I saw was a giant spiraling black hole with billions of grey human piled up on top of eachother trying to climb out as far as I could see. I was so afraid at what I had seen I awoke very suddenly. Staring at me right in the face was this Reptoid being which scared the living daylights out of me and I screamed at the top of my lungs and ran out of my room to my parents room. The site of this creatures eyes, skin, and claws were like a million nuclear bombs going off. I remember hearing this extremely low pitch hum coming from outside the window as well. The closest sound I can think of would be a very low pitch compressor running.


My entire life since I have been seeking answers and Jim, I think you saw the exact being I woke up and saw in my window. I have never had another encounter with the Reptoid type entity since.

As far as the 4th density. I agree 100%. I used to use meditation techniques to bring me into a sleep where I could astral project.

I believe the Reptoid or whatever you want to call it is from the Ethereal or Astral Planes of existence.

**(The Ethereal Plane suffuses through and touches all parts of the inner planes. Suitable natural or magical effects can cause material objects or creatures to become ethereal, which causes them to fade from material view. When in an ethereal state, creatures are unable to sense or interact with material objects. They may sense and interact with other ethereal objects however. Physically, the Ethereal Plane looks like an evenly lit void, in which objects float weightlessly. Creatures can move merely by willing it. In this way, ethereal creatures can travel through the ether to visit other inner planes, where they materialise if the ethereal state is inactivated. Ethereal travel is generally safe, unless hostile ethereal creatures or intelligent beings are encountered.)**

**(The Astral Plane overlaps the Physical Plane in a manner similar to the Ethereal, but none of the other inner planes. Instead, it flows outwards to touch the outer planes. Becoming astral is similar to becoming ethereal, but astral beings can sense and be sensed by material beings. This is the source of ghost-like entities; actual ghosts are spirits of dead beings wandering the Astral Plane. The Astral Plane is itself featureless, but the sensations of the overlapping Physical Plane make it appear to be a shadowy copy. Movement of untrained creatures follows the contours of the Physical Plane by force of habit. Intelligent creatures who are aware of their state can however will themselves to move in other directions, including traversing the distances to the outer planes, where they can again sense and be sensed by the denizens dwelling therein.)**


[edit on 22-9-2007 by Raphael]

Hello Raphael, and Peace to you,

Thank you for that extremely interesting post. I gather from it that you believe these entities are negative in nature? I would like to be absolutely clear on this point, as I have received information from another source.

Re: The Black Triangles.
« Reply #119 on Today at 3:07pm »
-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan keith sheriff [mailto:XXXXXXX@XXXX.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:36 PM
Subject: extended "greetings" from an ethical extraterrestrial civilization

sun/11/19/06/1842est [lancaster county, pa, usa 17601]

"...we being the "insectoid" pilots of the lighted geometrically figured crafts recently detected around your planet ("boomerangs", "arrowheads", "squares", etc). we offer this message, via telepathic transmission through jonathan, on behalf of all the space alien visitors and scientists on and around your planet and neighboring terrestrial bodies, as a sign of hope, and we hope it is retained for analysis."

That's just a small excerpt from a very long message on another website. This letter goes into detail about their good intentions, plans and 'confessions' of 'abducting' people by 'moving through solid walls'.

It doesn't feel right. I know I could be wrong about their intentions. Something is definitely goofy here.

I just arrived after a 16 hour drive, so I am not at my best at the moment. I need to think about this, but I would like your opinion on the above 'transmission'. If you would like the full message, would you please let me know in a private message?

Thank you, Raphael, and peace to you.

Jim

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[edit on 24-9-2007 by JohnnyAnonymous]

Hello again Jim,

That transmission, is it from someone you personally know? It definatly sounds very interesting and if you could, I would love to read the full transcript, sorry for not sending you a private message as I need to have 20 posts to be able to send a private message and this one I think is only my 11th.

By the way just a few more questions for you, if you don't mind answering them.

You describe a place that you have seen which is the "Control Centre" if you will, of the Depanoids? How did you come to see this and also, is it a planet? or is it somewhere in the 4th density?

One last question, is this transcript from the Depanoids or some other Aliens?

Thanks again.

Peace

P.S. Hope your journey went well! I have been on 10 hour drives before, although I wasn't driving, so I can't imagine what it's like having to drive for 16 hours, you must be really tired!

edit - spelling

[edit on 24-9-2007 by Neomax]

Hello Neomax,

Peace to you.

Once again you have provided some interesting questions. They are difficult to answer, as I do not seem to have all the information regarding these questions.

At first, I thought the answers were going to be easy, however, that may not be the case.

1) The trasmissions are not from someone I know. I do not know if they are from the Depanoid. It is possible they are, and they are up to their usual tricks of deception. I will send you the full transcript and you can see for yourself.

2) I was in a town close to Salt Lake City, Utah. There is a marsh there and the Depanoid lead me there by having me follow what appeared to be a bright star. At times this star seemed to turn into a small wispy cloud.

It was in the marsh where I had some of my 'education'. THe other part was on an overpass.

The reason I think I may not be answering your question fully is because I simply do not know if somehow they brough me into 4th Density temporariy. I have heard, and this is my opinion here, that when you are in the presence of someone in 4th Density, your consciousness becomes 'drawn in'. When you leave the entity, your consciousness 'shrinks back' into 3rd Density.

This is the reason most people do not remember their experience with abductions.

It occurs in 4th Density, and their memory of this is also in 4th Density. Since they are now basck in 3rd Density, the memory is 'gone'. It can sometimes be persuaded to return under appropriate and careful 'treatments' such as with a qualified therapist who is familiar with abductions.

I am going out for a bit now, but I will send you the transcript upon my return. It will probably be tomorrow when you receive it. I apologize for the delay, but it is a few pages long and I am heading out the door right now.

Thanks for your questions, Neomax, and I leave you in Peace.

Jim

Hello,

Are the depanoid and those transmissions the same people?


[edit on 24-9-2007 by scarecrow51]

Morning Jim, (well morning for me, it could be midnight where you are )

I had a read through the transmission you sent me, very interesting indeed.

Can I ask how you got these e-mails and do you know if the guy Jonathan still uses that e-mail address?

From what I read it sounds like these Aliens are harmless, and are infact trying to help us Earthlings, or at least protect us.

Do you think it was sent from the Depanoid? They speak of the "Negative Memory Bank" you have talked about.

Very interesting indeed.

Have you had anymore leads or breakthroughs?

What are you trying to source out these days? I suppose your biggest question you are trying to figure out is "just who or what the heck are these things?"

In a way I envy you as I would love to see an Alien, I believe that not all but most, are harmless, as one thing I think about is that if they were "Space Invaders, come to take over the Earth and kill everybody" they would have done so by now, and we wouldn't even see it coming, they have technology to travel from planetary system to planetary system as they please, the best we can come up with is a 3 or 4Ghz single core CPU.

Also if I saw one I would be able to relate to people like you Jim, who have seen them.

Anyway best be off now, I'm in work.

Hope to hear from you again soon.

Peace.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix 1942-1970