ATS.MIX: 21 – Alien Experiencer JIM RUFF

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In regards to the dream diary, Lately, save for a few (and I mean, few), I don't even remember, but I know I dream, I remember it...but not enough to describe what happened. I just know it was there. One of those odd situations, very hard to describe

The dreams I get are weird, I've been getting a few disaster related dreams, I've had those for awhile though, different scenarios...Some dreams are just...well, they make no sense. At all. Like they're just put together. Last night's was just..different. Off.. I'm actually kind of weirded out to publicly post it, the last thing I want is a whole forum thinking I'm a lunatic. I can send you a u2u about it though.


[edit on 20-9-2007 by Chiiru]

Folks.... DON'T FORGET that Johnny and I are going to do a SPECIAL SHOW for people JUST LIKE YOU! It will be a ROUND TABLE discussion of 4 or 5 participants with Johnny and I.

Please go to this thread in ATS MIX for more information.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Dave

Chiiru,

I can't send any posts right now until I have 20 posts. Did you ever read Catch 22 by Joseph Heller? There was a guy there, I think his name was Yossarian, and he was a fighter pilot I thnk. Anyway, he couldn't 'retire' until he had so many missions, and whenever he got close, they raised the number he had to have to retire.

The main point however was that any sane person did not want to fly anymore at that time and under those conditions. But the only way you could get out of it was by being insane. All you had to do was say that you couldn't fly because you were insane, but in doing so you automatically proved you must be sane so you had to fly. Anyone who did fly therefore, was insane, but if you said you were, then you weren't. Catch 22.

Anyway, it's like the job thing. No one will hire you until you get experience, but how can you get experience if no one will hire you?

So how I am supposed to get 20 posts if I can't post until I get 20 posts? Yossarian would be proud.

I'll figure something else out and let you know tomorrow. Peaceful dreams, Chiiru.

Jim

Wait, I think I just figured it out. Can you send me 20 emails? I think that should do it.

Peace.

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Dave,

Are you talking to me? I know you aren't talking to me, simply because there isn't anyone in the world like me. Maybe even the Universe.


Peace.

Jim,
first off, I just want to say thanks for sharing some of your experiences with ATS. It does whet the appetite, and leaves the listener wanting more and more. I hope you do write down, document your experiences someday, perhaps within an ATS thread. I only hope the 'debunkers' don't come down on you like a ton of bricks. If you've read through the Aliens & UFOs section you'll see there are a hardcore group of members who intend to expose and ridicule anything that does not correspond with their concept of reality. But I'm sure you would have the full support of the moderators and the majority of our members here, whom are open-minded.

Secondly, it's a pity that lady had to interrupt what you had to say. I don't think what she had to say was relevant to the show. I was intrigued in what you had to say regarding a sighting on the overpass outside Salt Lake City - a triangle craft was flying parallel, then suddenly flipped up on its side. Then that lady had to come in and ruin the conversation (a bit like the person at the party you can't get away from and you have to say 'I really must be going now'!)... anyway when I saw the latest Lake Erie video sightings, my first thought was your description of the triangle. Here is the thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Also, I am heartened to hear that the being you saw was similar to the ET in the Alien Interview film. Now, I realise most people fob this off as a stupid puppet and how could anyone be sucked in to something so silly, but I've always felt that the eyes in that creature were like looking into the windows of its soul, and I'm not the only one who's said that. The 'Alien Interview' documentary also refers to an incident in the Kalahari in 1989 involving a crashed saucer and the South African Air Force. I have been able to see the (leaked) classified documents describing the mission and retrieval by the SAAF in great detail, and it confirms that the craft and 2 live beings were flown to the Wright Patterson Air Force Base. I can provide these documents on request via u2u if interested. Furthermore, one of our South African ATS members, Gemwolf, confirmed that he remembers the incident being covered in the media at the time (wow!). For me, it is proof enough that the event happened and the video footage is real. And hence, I also believe what you saw was real.

[edit on 20-9-2007 by RiotComing]

RiotComing,

Wow. I really appreciate your extremely elegant, organized and well-put letter. Thank you.

And yes, I would be very interested in those documents. At least concerning the craft. I am wondering if it was one of the many I saw that night. I suspect it was what I call a 'black checker'. I saw two of the "Depanoid" in such a craft. Depanoid is my own designation for these beings.

Anyway, I can receive e-mails but I can't reply, See post above re:Chiiru.

You gave me so much information, RiotComing, I hardly know how to answer it all. My sleeping schedule is all goofed up since this happened, and I am going back to SLC tomorrow, so I need to think aboujt getting ready. I will give you a better reply when I get a little more sleep.

Oh...the triangles definitely don't look black, do they? At one point in the first video, I could almost see the 'puffy' part. Thanks for those. Very cool.

And, as for the 'area 51' entity. It's definitely the same type of entity. Not to go up against Rick Baker, someone whose expertise I hold in the highest regard. I have an advantage though, don't I?

And in the same vein of thinking as you are demonstrating, I realize that now I can start putting things together. For instance, the gold triangles belong to 'them'. As well as lots of other stuff.

Thanks again for your excellent post, RiotComing. I wish you Peace.

Jim

The Discussion is OPEN to ANY REGISTERED MEMBER.

Dave

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Yeah I forgot about that 20 post thing.. >_< No good! I dunno if sending you 20 u2us will work though lol. Gonna keep it short for today I just woke up and im tired again.
and no, I was never able to read Catch 22.


[edit on 20-9-2007 by Chiiru]

Hello Chiiru, and All,

I have an email at yahoo. It's jimruff96@gmail.com. At least this I can send replies back to you.

I will be leaving for SLC later today, and I am driving. It takes a while to get there, and after a few hours I will be driving to Kansas.

So...it may take me awhile to respond.

Peace to us all.

Jim

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[edit on 20-9-2007 by jim_ruff]

The email doesnt work?

Chiiru,

I received your e-mails, but i can't reply. So I am posting my gmail e-mail address so I can reply to people. Hope you are well, and I just want you to know that the thing you described to me at first is what I have also experienced. The very same thing, about 3 days ago.

peace.

jim

[edit on 20-9-2007 by jim_ruff]

no no, your yahoo email doesnt work... lol i phrased that oddly, Im sorry

Chiiru, and All,

My apologies. It's jimruff96@gmail.com Oops. That should work. Please let me know, and Peace to you.

best way I could describe it would be like a psychic vampire, IMO. Whereas a psychic 'vampire' feeds of of life force, I could imagine that the same could be said for emotions.

just thought id put in my own .02

[edit on 20-9-2007 by Chiiru]

Hello again Jim and the others who have now joined this discussion.

Before I say anything else and before I forget, I had the WEIRDEST dream last night! Man it was weird, i can only remember a few things about it, I will try and explain it coherently, forgive me if it makes no sense!

Well first thing was there was like this flood, maybe a tsunami or hurricane or something, I think I was in a boat there was wood all around me and water swishing about, and the place I was in seemed to be rolling? like maybe when a car rolls but it wasn't a car. (for some reason I am getting Noah's Ark, don't ask me why because I am not a Christian, I went to a Christian school, at the minute I have no religion but I have been reading a lot about Buddhism.)

There where other people but I didn't pay attention to them or know who they where.

THEN!! You will all think I'm crazy now!! I was walking in a street with people, again I don't know who, and we seen this thing run past we ran after it and then it slowed and was just walking away calmly, when it was walking away it looked like how a monkey walks only its legs and arms, they were very straight, if you have ever seen the Jungle Book animated movie, you know when Mogli walks with the elephants? that's how it was walking but its colour was blue! like a nice blue sort of a luminous sky blue. Anyway I ran towards it calling it saying "Hey wait, stop, please" then it did stop and turn around to me when i got close. I stopped and approached it very slowly, this thing was very quite small like maybe the size of a 7 or 8 year old human, it was sort of squatting down leaning on one "hand". so anyway I approached it like I would a stray cat, (I love animals, and when i see a cat or dog in the street I can't help but stroke them) I sort of hunched over trying to give signals I wasn't a threat, eventually I got very close to it maybe a meter away and I squatted down too, just looking at it, It was looking back at me, its head was a slightly lighter blue and wasn't that big but it looked very cute! (This bit is very weird, I have no idea why I did this!) I had a bottle of Coke for some reason and I opened the cap and sort of went to give it to the "Alien" and it sniffed the rim (I think this bit is only in my dream because I had a bottle of coke before I went to sleep, I never drink Coke but I fancied it?) So anyway next I put my hand out towards it, palm side up and it very slowly put its "hand" onto mine, its "hands" were like a frogs feet it had like 3 main parts but it was webbed, but it felt like, you know those things you lick then stick on a window and they hang? Those sucker things?, its "hand" felt like the part you lick on one of those, and I distinctly remember this texture, Is it weird that you remember a texture from a dream?

So that was the end of that part, the next thing from the dream I remember was that the "flood" was over and there was a lot of destruction, I went looking for my family, then it dawned on me that only the bad people had died (there was only kind, good hearted people around me, very humble people) so I knew then that no way was my Mum (Mom) dead as she is a very kind hearted good person, (wouldn't hurt a fly) so I searched for her and I found her. Then we just stood there, and it seemed that this "flood" was a cleansing of the earth of all the hateful, nasty, bad people.

Then I woke up, as soon as I woke up I remembered the texture of the "hand" I know this was a lucid dream, well semi-lucid, as I knew what I was doing and had control over myself. I never wrote anything down as I can usually remember dreams, but usually only the weird ones that seem to have meaning, do you think this one meant anything?

So I hope you all don't think I'm a weirdo now! I just thought I would share this with you all.

Sorry for this very long post, I will continue on another.

Now to you Jim,

This "radionics" you are talking about, can I ask where you got this information and where you seen it take place? it sounds very interesting, if slightly sinister!

Sounds like one of my favorite films, "They Live" by John Carpenter, have you seen it? The world is controlled by aliens, drugging and controlling people through television, the aliens are living on the earth and are like big business men and the like, getting the controlled ones to work for them as mindless slaves, hence They live, we sleep, the only way to see the aliens is with special sunglasses, sounds weird but it's a very good film!

Can you describe how the Aliens who take our negative thoughts use them back against us? I apologies, I don't quite fully understand.

About the Alien Interview, you say that the being you encountered is exactly like this one, I have always, from the first time I seen the Alien Interview thought is was real, there is just something very creepy about it, although all these debunker's say its just a puppet and they can make better, they can make things these days that a couple of years ago would have blown peoples minds, like 12mega pixel compact cameras, quad core processors in home PCs and High Definition hand held camcorders! They can almost make things that are better than real life for crying out loud, it's the fact that the Alien Interview isn't top quality stuff that makes it believable. However I always thought the alien in the Alien Interview was a "grey"? Perhaps I am wrong, I am not the one who saw this being.

I am going to go and look up radionics and see what I can find out about it, I will post my findings here, whatever they may be.

Thanks again Jim

P.S. Feel free to use my sig if you want, I think it is a very good sentence, and very true!

Peace

Hello Scarecrow51 and Peace to you,

I don't blame you at all for not understanding. I actually had a fuller account up here, but I was very clumsy and awkward about it, I didn't know what I was doing, there were some infractions made and the account was deleted.

Sometimes I forget how much I have told, or to whom, or when. Not to excuse myself, but I have been through quite a bit and perhaps I am still in a bit of shock.

At any rate, I realize this is still my responsibility and so I apologize for any confusionm, or offenses I made and I ask your forgiveness, the forgiveness of Dave and Johnny, Above Top Secret, and all the members here.

So...to answer your question, finally, and perhaps Neomax at the same time.

The way it was explained to me is that by using some sort of frequency which we know about but have yet realized the full potential, it is possible to 'aggravate' certain negative impulses in the brain. This translates to hyperactivity, anger, depression, anxiety, and self-centeredness. All these things are subsets of the main negative emotion, Fear.

When we are feeling these things, our brain gives off either brainwaves or energy patterns. I did not clarify which one. At any rate, those patterns are then tapped and collected by a huge flying contraption similar in appearance to a fishing bobber.

That is, in fact, what I call it. I saw ony one, but it was big. About 100 feet in diameter, with a dark gold top and a dark gold bottom. There was a wide red band in the middle.

Off to the side was a dark bold object which was about 10-15 feet in diameter. It is shaped somwhat like an acorn. This is what I believe collects the brain or energy patterns and deposits them into the Bobber. I call it the Lure.

There are antenna towers, exactly, and I mean exactly in appearance to the towers which hold up the power lines. I could see absolutely no difference between them, except for this: They moved. They seemed to follow certain cars as they passed by the towers. They moved almost as if they were alive. It wasn't mechanical movement at all. They turned, twisted, almost rotated at times in a very ....living way.

I believe these are the antennae which send and receive the negative impulses. The same thing a cellular tower does, but with calls.


In addition, there are craft which I call 'Stingers'. These craft look similar to a witch's hat, with a pointed top which meets with the edge of the craft. Kind of like one of those pointed party hats on top of a checker, if you could match the sizes up.

I believe those craft contain antennae which are 'keyed' to certain individuals who have the potential for greater depth of negative emotion. In other words, some people have their 'own personal demon'.

When enough negativity is collected, it goes over to Boomerang City and 'docks' with it by use of the Lure. The 'drugs' (our negative emotions) are then downloaded by a process which reminds me of a old-style malt shop with the personal jukeboxes on each table.

It seems that one can 'special order' the type of emotion-fix it needs that day.

In closing, Scarecrow51, I hope this answers you question, and I wish you Peace of mind.

Jim

Hello Neomax, and Peace to you,

I gave Scarecrow51 more of the technical explanation. If you have further questions on that, I will do my best to honor your question to the best of my ability.

I am going to focus this time on 'how they use it against us'. Here 's how:

They stimulate certain people specifically, and the population at large in general. Sooner or later, someone will take offense at something and provoke someone else. This leads to either counter-provocation or outright attack.

The conflict is then producing drugs for these Depanoid. Furthermore, it's almost a self-sustaining crop. One conflict leads to another, and to another, and to another.

Once in a while the conflcit reaches someone who chooses not to honor it, feed it, or sustain it in any way. At that point, the conflict whithers away.

The greatest victory for them is a condition and state of war. It's a bumper crop for them, providing countless 'fixes' for these perverted parasites. Sorry. I know that dvd portrays one of the Depanoid in a sympathetic light, but I believe this is intentional on the part of the Depanoid. In other words, it's disinformation of the most clever kind. It 'covers' them in case people actually believe it to be real. Then they are looked at in a sympathetic ilght. They are above brilliant.

They are wise far far beyond our ability to even begin to comprehend, and letting this dvd out without them knowing about it is inconceivable. It just couldn't happen.

If they were simply collecting our 'garbage' and using it for their own pleasure, well then, it's not such a big deal.

The fact of the matter however, is that they are actively provoking us in ways we do no understand or even know about. You can readily see this when someone you know says something to the effect of " I can't believe I did that. That wasn't me."

it wasn't them. It was the Depanoid, amping up their negative impulses.

Please do not take this as a 'get out of jail free card'. We are still responsible for our actions. However, when we are constantly being attacked, it's extremely difficult to remain centered and grounded. But it can be done.

It's funny you should mention being controlled by tv. When I got back from all this madness, I couldn't stand to be near the television anymore. Hmm. That's an interesting development. I'll pick up that dvd and watch it. Dvds are ok. TV is bad. I disconnect from the cable when I watch dvds, which is still rare now.

Does this answer all your questions? I am getting ready to go on the road, so I don't know that I will be able to respond anymore today, but I will do my best.

Peace to you, neomax.

Chiiru,

Thanks for the assist. To my way of understanding what these other-wordly beings were telling me, that's actually pretty close. I don't think they use it to sustain themselves in the way food would, but more the way cocaine or meth would.

I wish you peace of mind, Chiiru.