So, having read all of the replies, have you all decided what the problem is yet?

Tazers?
Cops?
Superiority complex?
Police State?
NWO?

Many of the facts you use to support your claims contradict other ideas presented here, yet you all treat it like an 'I agree vs. I don't agree' crap-fest.

I think you guys are a little too hard on the crowd, after seeing the video of the same incident from 3 angles.

The crowd clapped as the student was confronted by the police probably because they found him to be disruptive.

But as you can see, the crowd did not support the way he was being treated or handled. Some of them even tried to help the student and inquire why the police was using such excesive force but were prevent by other policemen from getting near.

In short, the crowd did react to the abusive policemen but were powerless to do anything more. You can't expect the other students to attack the police can you?

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Originally posted by Iblis
You all seem in uproar over a taser.
Having been tasered before, it's more frightening than painful.
It's a tool for disablement, and one that is none-too-subtle.

Not as though it's a new, top-secret bant-stick.

im not concerned with a taser. I've been shot with a real gun before, and can tell you a taser pales in comparison. I'm concerned over WHY he was tasered. Taseres were originally given to police to reduce the chance of lethal tactics (using a gun). It appears they just use it when they are being lazy.

I watched both vids and it's hard to tell if the crowd is cheering the student or the cops or maybe a mix of both?

At any rate, to my mind this incident reveals more about John Kerry than anyone or anything else.

Apparently Sen Kerry agrees with those of you who approved of the way police handled the situation. He could have ordered those cops to back off and either tried harder to answer the young man's obviously passionate questions, or try to arrange to met with him after the public event.

Kerry had yet another chance to prove his leadership ability and once again showed he has none.

I think they did over react, but then again I'm a strong advocate of saying that Freedom is an illusion. You have it as long as they don't need to take it away from you. The moment they need to, they do. This is similar to the Bucky Philips case in upper New York. The dude was arrested for theft, went to jail, and used a can opener to escape. After that, the police created a massive manhunt out of it. Which, resulted in him shooting several police officers. They threatened his family, took his daughters young kids away for "endangering children", attacked several people in the area that "looked like bucky", and above all, searched every car in the county that went through a road block, while having officers pointing guns at them. My wife, was one of those people. They had 2 m16's and a shotgun pointed at her, and my 2 young kids, while they searched the car. People fear that we can become a police state, got news for you, were already there. If the police can take your rights away, with no recourse, its all just an illusion.

Regards,

Camain

Originally posted by scientist

im not concerned with a taser. I've been shot with a real gun before, and can tell you a taser pales in comparison. I'm concerned over WHY he was tasered. Taseres were originally given to police to reduce the chance of lethal tactics (using a gun). It appears they just use it when they are being lazy.

No, they use it because they LIKE it. They enjoy seeing the guy scream in pain. Thats why they do it five or six times even when he is defenseless on the ground.

I am watching the morning news and they are showing this on NBC.

Originally posted by MasterRegal
WRONG! He was tasered because he was violently resisting the officers. They even warned him and did not comply. Don't spread bull.

NO YOU ARE WRONG! first of all he should not have been arrested in the first place what the police did was ILLEGAL they arrested him for freedom of speech. and where in this whole video on youtube did he violently resist. yes he resisted but he did not "violently" resist. the police aressted him illegaly in the first place

This just backs up a great line I once heard.

"A well armed populous is the best defense against Tyranny" - (Barkeep in "A Waking life" I guess all that martial arts training will come in handy grasshopper.


Hopefully a uprising is on it's way. I Would fight, would you???

That kid was an idiot. Watch the video. Multiple times he was asked to calm down. H is lucky that those were campus police or it may have been worse. I do not care if you are asking questions or sipping a soda, if you resist an officer, they have every right to subdue you.

He did not have a question, he used the oppurtunity as a platform for his own rhetoric, causing a disruption and was ASKED TO LEAVE, MULTIPLE times. He should be charged with resisting with violence and BOLO for his actions.

Folks, that is not how to get things down, and if you continue to follow the herd without research in the end you will never have the answer.

Well, when I watched the vid I recognize that the female LEO tried to stopped this conversation since he was getting loud and did not give Kerry time to answer, which wasnt correct. The LEO walked back and there were waiting - since the student did not change his "conversation style" and was going to get louder and aggressive they intervene him and cut mirco.

In that moment he should just stfu and sitdown so Kerry could answer. But he didnt. He knows there were cameras around him and he used the situation to create a "brutal police" youtube vids. He tried to escape the officers, 3 LEO had trouble to fix him, then a teaser came into this game to paralyze him so he could get arrested.

The arrest was ok, teaser wasnt really needed but thats not our decision since we were not in the field.

I was going to create this same thread because I've just now seen it.
Youll find many other posts of mine, in which I rant about the cops
all across the US abusing people by tazing them without good cause.
Of course some of the replies were always about how I was jumping
the gun about us becoming a police state and how big of a liberal I was (thats real funny and not true) as well as anti-cop (thats not true either, my dad was a cop for 30 years)
I havent read all of the posts on here, no coffee yet but I'm willing to be
that some people even condone this act..
Its a disgrace that this is happening in a country that was once considered
to be a leader of human rights, among other things..

I think this is great, I mean not that the guy got tazed but that it happened at a democratic lecture, with Herman Munster sitting there letting it go down. LOL The guy was asking stupid questions for one. Christ it’s been almost 8 years get over it and move on. LOL

when are people going to realize that when a cop tells you to calm down and move along ....DO IT don’t cry freedom of speech and resist. Everyone read the article, it specifically states the dude went over his allotted time and the mic was cut off. He then kept getting angry because he didn’t like the rules for the question and answer part of the speech. Kerry obviously agreed so the guy was removed. Then the flip flopper decided to answer the question after the ruckus was over. Typical politician response, I for one am glad Kerry didn’t become president.

At least with GW he’s pretty much up front and we see what he stands for!!!! What does Kerry stand for? Allowing the Tazing of spoiled little kids who don’t get their way obviously. LOL

"please don’t taze me dude".........WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA lol

I guess he should have listen and moved on. But I guess it’s like everything else freedom of speech includes being rude and obnoxious. I think not, but im ready for all the backlash from those of you who think freedom of speech means you can do and say anything you want with no consequences for your actions.

Were YOU watching the same video. He was not kicked, clubbed, beaten, punching, thrown to the ground run over by a tank or shot. Because in those countries you mentioned, he would have been. They asked him to ask his question and that is when it happened. He tried to control a forum instead of simply asking a question. He ruined that part of the forum for those who were there to see Kerry and not a side show.

They try to escort him out and he pulls away, pushing and shoving 'the officers'. They then try to get him to the back, and all he has to do is leave, and he resists. What do you see as right here? This type of action is acceptable. I am all for protest and getting your own agenda out as long as it is beneficial in someway. The only thing that guy accomplished is stopping a good political forum with Kerry and free drinks at the bar for his story later.

He has the right to free speech, but not to disrupt a public forum. He will be booked and released. Again, an idiot.

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[edit on 18-9-2007 by esdad71]

Free speech, blah, blah, blah.

Yes you do have the right to ask questions. But you do not have the right to have them answered.

This guy caused a disturbance, and it could have led to a riot, or even a mass murder spree.

This guy was obviously mentally disturbed.

Remember Virginia Tech?