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UK bank crisis spreads; Alliance & Leicester shares slump 31%

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posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 05:26 PM
If anybody reading this lives in the UK and can get some pictures of the lines outside of the banks, that would be great. When it starts in the US we should catalog that too...

posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 05:27 PM

Originally posted by sp00n1
When it starts in the US we should catalog that too...

There is currently no evidence that a major US bank is facing a financial problem that will result on a run on the bank.

posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 05:31 PM
reply to post by infinite

The run on the bank is caused by panic and fear. Fear spreads like a virus, a chain reaction, with exponential growth! When people in the US see this, they know the same thing can happen here. So what you have is people taking money out now before everybody else catches on. People will spend this money on pretty much anything just to get it out of the bank and prevent losses to inflation.

When some banks go bad, they offer ridiculous;y unsustainable savings rates to attract more business in a desperate, last-ditch effort to gamble on ridiculous things like lottery tickets. This draws the good business away from the banks that would otherwise still be solvent.

The fractional-reserve banking system is fundamentally flawed.

An old Murray Rothbard quote from 1987. Odd the parallels.

"What is the reason for this crisis? We all know that the real estate collapse is bringing down the value of bank assets. But there is no "run" on real estate. Values simply fall, which is hardly the same thing as everyone failing and going insolvent. Even if bank loans are faulty and asset values come down, there is no need on that ground for all banks in a region to fail.

Put more pointedly, why does this domino process affect only banks, and not real estate, publishing, oil, or any other industry that may get into trouble?...The answer is that the "bad" banks are vulnerable to the familiar charges: they made reckless loans...or their managers were crooks. In any case, their poor loans put their assets into shaky shape or made them actually insolvent. The "good" banks committed none of these sins; their loans were sensible. And yet, they too, can fall to a run almost as readily as the bad banks. Clearly, the "good" banks are in reality only slightly less unsound than the bad ones.

There therefore must be something about all banks...which make them inherently unsound. And that something is very simple although almost never mentioned: fractional-reserve banking...Only if all the deposits were backed 100% by cash at all times (or, what is the equivalent nowadays, by a demand deposit of the bank at the Fed which is redeemable in cash on demand) can the banks fulfill these contractual obligations.

Instead of this sound, noninflationary policy of 100% reserves, all of these banks are both allowed and encouraged by government policy to keep reserves that are only a fraction of their deposits...that results in our system of permanent inflation, periodic boom-bust cycles, and bank runs when the public begins to realize the inherent insolvency of the entire banking system.

That is why, unlike any other industry, the continued existence of the banking system rests so heavily on "public confidence," and why the Establishment feels it has to issue statements that it would have to admit privately were bald lies...That is, everyone would find out that the entire fractional-reserve system is held together by lies and smoke and mirrors, that is, by an Establishment con...The banking system, in short, is a house of cards."

Source: House of Cards

[edit on 9/17/2007 by sp00n1]

posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Well if those who placed the put option want to do their money, the market must go down by more than 25% before friday... it could happen if this kind of news continue and the run on the banks accelerate... and there's also the FED action of tomorrow that could accelerate the crisis.

It has become surreal to watch all of this unfold -- all of the players reading off the same script to make a market collapse inevitable and the holder of the put options successful. May it be so that such schemes are brought to naught.

There has been a strange sense about political machinations over the last forty years that have led me to believe there is a script being written by men behind the curtain who use us all for their high stakes entertainment.

posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 08:25 AM
Thats another great place to buy into then, so many great share options around at the moment. Ive saved alot of money to start buying, so far... Ceres Power, Northern Rock and now this one.

I figure that Northern rock wont go bank rupt. full stop. so there shares will rise in a few months or so, Ceres power have a boiler that produces electrity from gas, and since im studying plumbing i know how good that is, and this new bank because, hey, banks arnt in trouble for long, buy in whilst you can. Any one think im doing right or wrong here ?

Take Care, Vix

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