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reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 12:22 PM by 27jd
reply to post by makeitso



Well, CNN seems to make it pretty clear to me...


The ministry said the incident began around midday, when a convoy of sport utility vehicles came under fire from unidentified gunmen in the square.

The men in the SUVs, described by witnesses as Westerners, returned fire, and the witnesses said the vehicles are that Western security firms use.

A witness told The Associated Press that he heard an explosion before the gunfire began.

"We saw a convoy of SUVs passing in the street nearby," Hussein Abdul-Abbas, owner of a mobile phone store in the area, told the AP. "One minute later, we heard the sound of a bomb explosion followed by gunfire that lasted for 20 minutes between gunmen and the convoy people who were foreigners and dressed in civilian clothes. Everybody in the street started to flee immediately."
www.cnn.com...


Looks like they were ambushed to me, I don't really have an opinion about Blackwater, but if I were attacked, I would shoot back too. Don't blame them at all, what else would anybody expect them to do?


reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 12:37 PM by makeitso
reply to post by Hal9000


Where does it say that they were "U.S. State Department Diplomats"?


Ah, your right, sorry. It says U.S. Diplomatic convoy.

US diplomatic convoy was involved in a shootout
www.albawaba.com...

Another site calls it:

A US Department of State motorcade
afp.google.com...


I wonder who was in that U.S. Department of State Diplomatic Convoy/motorcade? Diplomats maybe?

It also bothers me that the locals do not condemn the insurgents or that they are never held accountable.


Agreed.


On another note, some reports say that Blackwater does not have a license to operate in Iraq. If thats true, how is Iraq gonna revoke a non-existant license?

According to reports I've read, they have a contract with the State Department to provide security for State Department employees, not a License to operate in Iraq.

*shrugs* Dunno.

[edit on 9/17/07 by makeitso]



reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 12:56 PM by Hal9000
reply to post by makeitso


It looks like it was a State Department motorcade, so I'll give you that one. I just didn't see it in the first two articles.


reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 01:08 PM by makeitso
reply to post by Hal9000



No worries mate, None of the articles actually come out and specify that there were diplomats in the vehicles.

Besides, everyone knows buckeyes don't research anything.
Thats why I.U. kicked your Akron Zippy's butts this weekend, (even though I.U. is arguably the worst team ever). (j/k)


reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 01:17 PM by marg6043
reply to post by Dr Love



You are right, that is why I said that Haliburton owns Iraq, as long as Hiliburton and the corporate profiteers are in Iraq they call the shots no the Iraqi government.

reply to post by astmonster



You need to understand that the insurgency in Iraq are civilian Iraqis fighting the corporate take over of their resources that are taking the chances of the Iraqis to become productive while, Iraqis are jobless while Haliburton bring cheap slave labor from around the world..

As an Iraqi I will be fighting too, over 4 million Iraqis either death or on exile, that Is some kind of liberation.

reply to post by pai mei



I agree, in order for the present administration and its corporate profiteers been able to finish their agendas they need the insurgency alive and Al-qaida responsible.

So hey lets fuel the insurgency and give them some help.



[edit on 17-9-2007 by marg6043]


reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 01:20 PM by marg6043
reply to post by Hal9000



I wonder also who blackwatrer was protecting, Diplomats convoy what diplomats, Haliburton profiteers?.

reply to post by Dr Love



Yes they have plenty to keep busy but remember how easily they were among the national guard when the Katrina disaster.
reply to post by makeitso



I still can not read on the link who the diplomats were. To me sounds like profiteers of war from one of Haliburton subsidiaries or even Haliburton Itself.

So hey Iraq is been riped apart by Haliburton so Iraqis have the right to fight the profiteers out of their country.

What is more valuable an American Haliburton diplomat or the life of an Iraqi in their own land?


reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 01:21 PM by Hal9000
reply to post by makeitso


You know even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

And please, don't ever confuse a Buckeye with a Roo.

Ohio State U are the Buckeyes and they kick butt.



reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 02:12 PM by Hal9000
reply to post by DrOOpieS


I was also thinking that this stuff does happen in a war zone and this hasn't been the first time BW was involved with a fire fight and this certainly isn't the first time innocent people have died in Iraq.

I just wonder what makes this incident so special that they loose their license? (Not that I don't think BW is in the wrong)

I don't think we are hearing the whole story.


reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 02:19 PM by makeitso
reply to post by patriot13



OK, I'll bite.

Does BW have a "license" to operate in Iraq? 'Cuz I read that they don't have or need one, but I don't know.



reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 02:22 PM by patriot13
reply to post by Dr Love



Ask me a question - if I don't answer within 24 hours...


reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 02:25 PM by patriot13
reply to post by makeitso



That's way above my pay grade, I'll try to find out what the "liscense" process or "certification" is. might not be for a few days though.

I know that individuals can be declared "persona non grata" - but thats a luxury every country has when you break their rules or act a fool and get in trouble. I would imagine they can do the same thing with a company, corporation, llc whatever, again - ill look into that aspect.


reply posted on 17-9-2007 @ 02:29 PM by Hal9000
reply to post by patriot13


Maybe you can answer my previous question.

Why did BW loose their license because of this incident? This is not the first time innocent civilians have died in Iraq.

Was it the number of casualties? Or could there be more to the story?
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