Originally posted by semperfortis
So THEY being the smartest most informed people in the world, in other words Liberals that tell us ALL what to do, THEY make the decision that an
order is somehow WRONG
What incredible ARROGANCE
Why do you always have to turn things into a liberal/conservative issue when it is obviously not?
It has nothing to do with arrogance or liberalism... it has everything to do with what is just and right and moral. It is a matter of conscious and
To put it in the context of my service in the Coast Guard...
We sometimes stopped during drug patrol off Florida, Cuban refugee's. The policy is that if they are caught on the high seas they are to be turned
around.... if they make it to shore they can stay.
Now say we came across a boat load of women and children making for the Keys and we ordered them to stop and they refused. Policy was to block them
and then board.
If ordered to do that I have no problem. We pull in front of the boat and block it. Failing that we fire one shot across its bow.
Instead of doing what is prescribed though, an officer orders us to open fire on this obviously unarmed and overloaded boat of refugees. Not lob a
shell across its bow but physically at this boat, potentially injuring or killing a score of innocent refugees.
Do I then follow orders and fire on these refugees who are in themselves doing nothing more than seeking freedom...
... or do I say no sir, that would be wrong and against procedure, and I am not going to do that?
How is that a liberal/conservative issue Semper?
None of us EVER have all the facts, this is true. At the same time we have the ultimate obligation to follow our conscious.
To rephrase all of what I said above in the context or Iraq... you are in a patrol and you know that the standard operating procedure is to enter a
house, hold its occupants at gun point while it is searched, and then if nothing is found, leave, if there is, proceed from there. Now what do you do
then Semper if the order is given to kill everyone in the house, man, woman and child regardless if anything is found or not.
What do you do then semper and again how is this a liberal/conservative issue as opposed to a matter of conscious?
Do you blindly follow orders or do you think for yourself?
There is a time and a place for both and ultimately that decision...
... to obey or to say no is up to the individual.
It is not a liberal/conservative issue.
Again to put it more concisely... You are one of those soldiers who launch nuclear missiles and the oder comes down to nuke the Vatican (your
suggestion not mine) or even Mecca during pilgrimage.
You are given essentially a stark choice... say no; the Pope has never done anything to us or, no there are a million innocent pilgrims at Mecca,
knowing that you will be shot and someone who will do it will replace you... or do you blindly follow orders?
Again... I say it once more it is not a liberal/conservative issue.
To put it that way is to suggest that conservatives follow orders and liberals don't which is flat out wrong and you know that, not to mention it is
an insult to your fellow military who do not prescribe to your political beliefs Semper.
[edit on 24-9-2007 by grover]