It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Are Lucid Dreams Another Reality?

page: 1
6
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 07:21 PM
link   
I am one of the fortunate people that have lucid dreams. I can't however, control the amount of time I stay in a lucid dream. Sometimes it lasts a long time and sometimes it doesn't. Usually, once you become aware that you are in a conscience dream state (lucid dream), you wake up. I hate that. lol

Lucid Dreaming is one of the best experiences you can have. For those that don't know, what is lucid dreaming?

Lucid Dreaming

This is the second attempt to get my point across. The first ended in 30-40 mins of typing and I didn't SAVE. Ackk Lost it all. This is the shorter Redo.

Anyway, for those that know, when you lucid dream, you are consciously involved in what you do in your dreams. It seems 100% real to you, except you know that you can do whatever you want without repercussions. Wouldn't this be considered a "reality" since you can manipulate things in a dream state?

You have your known reality. What is reality? The stuff you currently do everyday. Wake up, have breakfast, tie your shoes, go to work, pay bills, have dinner, wake up, have breakfast, have lunch, have dinner, pay more bills, do the Horizontal Mambo, smoke a cig, go to bed. Repeat day in and day out. This example could be some ones known reality. Whatever you do, day in and day out is YOUR known reality. It's fact. It happened to you. It's in your memory. It's a part of you. You make what you want out of your own reality. Work hard and you should achieve hard goals.

Your asleep, you hit REM. If your lucky enough to be in a lucid dream, your mind determines that this is a dream, but you are also conscience and can manipulate whatever you want. The same as real life. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. That might not be exactly how it goes, but it's close.

If you can do whatever you want in your dream, like you can in real life, why wouldn't lucid dreams be considered another reality (dimension), just without the consequences or repercussions of real life? It's still real to your unconscious mind. Things happen in your dreams just like in real life. You can tell the difference, but WHY wouldn't a lucid dream be considered proof of a second reality?

I mean, one is real, your everyday real life. It's tangible, you can feel it.
One is a dream, you know it's a dream, but you can manipulate things 100% like real life. To you, it's real. Even though it's a dream. What's the difference? I don't think you can't say, "Well, ones real and one is not." If you have had lucid dreams, you know full well that "it's real." If you feel, see, hear that it's real, then could it be real?

I want your thoughts. Like I said, I'm no expert. It sounds crazy. I want your thoughts on lucid dreams as another possible reality (dimension?).




posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 08:14 PM
link   
Very interesting, I don't think things exist in your dream until your mind has spawned them. So I don't know if you could call it a dimension. I've had a couple, and it's well worth trying. But both times I gotten too excited and woken up. I really want to stay in one for a little longer and mess around with things. I've heard of people trying to map out a dream world. I would try but I can't ever stay in that long.



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 08:30 PM
link   
ive experienced lucid dreams. i have found some of them to be controllable. the trick is to realize that you are dreaming with out wakening yourself up. it isn’t easy but a little practice will get you there. this is interesting what you bring up. i dont know if i would say that it is a different reality, but i have found that most of my lucid dreams come true. maybe not the exact way they happened in the dream but close enough to make the connection. the best way to remember your dreams are to write them down the second you wake up. keep a pen and paper on your night stand.



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 08:37 PM
link   
I did a science project on lucid dreams in 7th grade!

Anyways, I did achieve a "degraded" form of lucidity. I had about 50% control of my dream enviroment. I was on this old fashioned style train and then suddenly for what ever reaosn, I became aware that I was dreaming. I decided to go out into space...and well "space" went to me. A small version of the solar system appeared at my feet! I kicked mars out of orbit and the sun burned my foot, then I woke up.

The strange thing is that my left foot, was still feeling a very strong burning sensation when I woke up. The burning stopped after a few seconds of rubbing my eyes.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 02:18 PM
link   
Thanks for the replies. Here is some interesting reading about lucid dreams with a few links to other info.

Here.

I've also had a few dreams that came true. The most noticeable was the space shuttle crash years ago.

I posted this in another thread awhile back about my space shuttle dream that came true.




Well Steve-O, I haven't gotten the lucid dreams On-Command down pat yet, but I get more than my share of them. They are sooo cool to experience. I usually remember my dreams in good detail. I posted one in another thread earlier that I dreamed of the Columbia shuttle disaster. ( I think you responded to that one) I still remember that dream from beginning to end. The colors, the anxiety, the fear. I watched it fly over head while I was bartending at the restaurant I worked at ( a bit slow for a ship that's supposed to be coming in on approach). For some reason the building I was in had no roof so I could see the night sky. It looked more like the jet from the movie Firefox but was white with the black bottom along with the American flag on the tail fin. Anyway, it was trying to land at our small airport and it turned upside down and crashed into the ground.


I the first thing I try to do once I think I'm in a lucid dream. I look at my hands. This tells me that I consciencously looked at my hands and now I can move about freely. Usually the moment you know your in a lucid dream you get excited and wake up. The best I can describe how to get past that point is to just not think about it. Yes, it's hard to do. Go about your business. This will get your mind away from the shock and excitement that you are awake in your dream. It took awhile to get used to doing this step. It still doesn't happen every single time.

I also find that it happens more when you have already been asleep for a good bit and you wake up to get some water or use the restroom. Once I hit my pillow again, I fall into a more of a deeper sleep. I think this helps.

I shouldn't have said dimension. Another Reality is more appropriate. If it can even be considered another reality. In a lucid dream, what you do looks and feels 100% real as in real life. I just figured that it's a possibility that there is something more to it than just a super dream.

You looking at the screen right now is a reality. Your reading this right now. It's real. Imagine you are in a lucid dream sitting at a computer typing. You know that your dreaming but you pick up that key board and push it off the desk. It happened. It's real to you. You just pushed that key board off the desk because you wanted to. If that's as real as you reading this now, what exactly is the difference? Besides one's a dream and ones not. They both have the same effect, except in the dream reality, there are no limits.

Let's speculate that you fell asleep, had a lucid dream and never woke up. Hypothetically, you would live in that dream until your physical body would awake. Wouldn't that be living in a dream? Your mind would still be thinking and making decisions based on what's happening in your dream. Would this then be another reality?

[edit on 17-9-2007 by Quazi176]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 02:44 PM
link   
If you take evolution in to consideration. Not only do we evolve physically. But, we also evolve mentally.

So, what you see now as reality might not be what you see 100,000 years from now.
For example: If there were ghosts or spirits or shadow people and such. It would only make sense that we would develop a sense to detect them just as we developed a sense to detect light to see and ears to hear and so forth.
In conclusion I think your dream state is another reality and our ability to sense this reality is in its infancy.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:15 PM
link   
i believe they are another reality

in them i experience, paralysis and am unable to speak sometimes

have read that the etheric body doesn't hear very well either and i have experienced this too

they are different from normal dreams as i am able to "feel " things happen in them



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 05:05 PM
link   
i have found in quite a few of my lucid dreams that i am aware of the fact that i am dreaming and instead of altering them i simply want to observe where they are taking me..

i just started taking blood pressure meds about a week ago. it quite sad actulay im only 25 but im not overweight by any means. any ways i have been having the weirdest dreams since i started this med. they are verry vivd and i know they are dreams. but when i wake up i cant shake the feeling that they realy happened. it is realy strange. as for my dreams that have come to pass i hope these are not.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 05:12 PM
link   
Ive experienced some dreams that are more real/vivid/solid than this world we call "reality". absolutely.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 06:22 PM
link   
Here is another quote I posted in another thread.




While lucid dreaming, you are able to manipulate things in your dream as though you are awake. Create things. Stuff like that. You can basically do whatever you want without repercussions, except, when an event is happening in your dream that's actually causing a reaction in the physical world. For instance, to make a long dream short, once I had to jump in a pond to avoid small tornadoes buzzing around me. I was under water looking up at the surface. I was running out of breath. Just as I reached the surface for air, I actually woke up gasping for air. Some would probably call that sleep apnea or something similar. Except it doesn't happen often like that. Dreams can sometimes cause your physical body to react to what's happening in your dream or your physical body state causes what you dream about (like maybe I stopped breathing in my sleep, so I dreamed I was suffocating under water), however you look at it.


Has anyone had dreams similar to this one where you are dreaming that your running out of breath only to find out your not breathing in real life?
Has anyone seen their pet dog bark in their sleep? Or one of my favorites, your girlfriend hits you on the back while she's having a nightmare? You usually have a state of paralysis while sleeping so you don't act out your dreams, but sometimes it doesn't work all the way.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 10:39 PM
link   
i dont believe ive had a dream with my dog in it. i have had dreams where i was an animal or an insect. ive never had my gf hit me when i was sleeping but evey gf ive had has told me that i have hit them while i was asleep(maybe acting out agression i normaly wouldnt
).
as for the not breathing ive had dreams where i thought i was not breathing only to wake up with my head burried in a pillow or blanket that was not allowing me to breathe properly.
i think i know what you meant about the dog now yes ive seen him bark and run in his sleep. by the way he is a black lab...

[edit on 15pmu102007 by DaleGribble]

[edit on 15pmu102007 by DaleGribble]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 10:50 PM
link   
Wow.. now this has really got me interested. I have never read about Lucid dreams before, I have had them but never really analyzed them.

Its almost like what you are saying is that your in another dimension, or maybe that is just the way I am taking it. But never the less its very interesting and something I am going to give alot of thought too.

Great Thread OP



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 10:53 PM
link   
i was just thinking about night terrors..
ive had one that i know of and oddly enough right before bed i was watching a show on tv about them..
i remember waking so scared i cant put into words. i thought that there were two people standing at my front door(i feel asleep on the couch). i am a bit parinoid so i sleep with a Glock model 21 .45 cal under my pillow and cant sleep without it. i tried to reach for it and couldnt move. i dont even think i was breathing for that matter. i then realized that my dog was asleep on the floor next to me and had not bothered to move. i think thats when i realized what had happened. i took some time for me to go back to sleep. it was one of the worst experinces of my life and im glad to say it hasent happened since...



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 11:00 PM
link   
I can dream in a lucid state if I fall asleep consciously thinking about doing so. Almost in a state of meditation... I don't think it's another reality, I believe it's consciously influencing your dreams. Easy as that.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 01:15 AM
link   
reply to post by Quazi176
 


The most recent one that I can think of that relates to what you said is this.

I fell asleep on my back. And, the middle of my back was laying on a pillow and no pillow under my head. Anyways I had my mouth open and my tongue was relaxed and blocked my airway.
I was having a dream that I was drowning and when I finally woke up I was in a sweat and violently gasping for air. It felt like I almost died.

As for lucid dreams, I find that sometimes when I come to a weird unbelievable situation I don't except it and I realize I'm dreaming. I then have fun.
But sometimes if I get to excited I will wake up.

But a few days ago this is what happened: I was dreaming that I was running from some very violent people that wanted to kill me and then they suddenly appeared in front of me three of them. I didn't believe that they could just do that so I realized I was dreaming. So then I felt my self start to awake. So I concentrated and stayed in the dream(thinking to my self "oh no no no I'm getting revenge"). I then grabbed some ninja swords off my back and sliced them in half then I woke up. I thought it was funny.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 03:27 PM
link   
reply to post by DaleGribble
 


Haha Dale, yes the dog comment was you actually watching your pet act out it's dream. I haven't hit my girlfriend while I was sleeping. She hit me a couple of times in the back. When I woke her up, she said she was getting mugged. I just told her thanks for taking out her aggressions out of me. I laughed, we went back to sleep.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 03:40 PM
link   

Originally posted by magycpapyri
Wow.. now this has really got me interested. I have never read about Lucid dreams before, I have had them but never really analyzed them.

Its almost like what you are saying is that your in another dimension, or maybe that is just the way I am taking it. But never the less its very interesting and something I am going to give alot of thought too.

Great Thread OP


Acutally, Magy, that's what I'm kinda getting at. If lucid dreams are real to you like the chair you are sitting in now, why could lucid dreams not be considered proof of another reality? Or a different plane of existence? If you believe in ghosts, negative or positive energy, maybe ghost are just on a different plane/frequency/reality? Maybe these kind of dreams are in the same ballpark.

If real life tangible things are real to you and lucid dream things are tangible to you, why are they not BOTH a reality? Not just the one you know and are in right now? Example: Sitting on your chair reading this right now, you know 100% that it's real. How can it not be real, your doing it now. Just like you can reach out your hand, right now, and touch your computer screen. It happens the same way in lucid dreams. It's just you know you are dreaming, but it's real enough for you to manipulate things, make things happen.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 04:02 PM
link   
reply to post by DaleGribble
 



I am very good at recalling my dreams. I have never wrote them down. I can kick myself in the butt for not doing so. I need to start now. I would love to go back and read my dreams once I have a bunch together. I notice that I'll get some bad dreams a few nights in a row, then it will change to something else. To me dreams are what your brain shows you on a subconscience level. It depends a lot on what is currently going on in your life or maybe about the TV show you just watched. Who knows. There's lot's of people doing dream research. Here is a site that can maybe answer some questions you have about dreams.

Dream Site

Here's one more dealing with lucid dreams that pretty interesting.

Another Lucid Dream Site

Here is a site that you can use to interpret your dreams. It's kind of fun to read what some of the "experts" think your dreams mean. They aren't always right. haha

Dream Interpretation

Hope this helps you have a little fun with your dreams. The real fun won't begin until you can have more lucid dreams. Good Luck



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 04:10 PM
link   

Originally posted by DaleGribble
i was just thinking about night terrors..
ive had one that i know of and oddly enough right before bed i was watching a show on tv about them..
i remember waking so scared i cant put into words. i thought that there were two people standing at my front door(i feel asleep on the couch). i am a bit parinoid so i sleep with a Glock model 21 .45 cal under my pillow and cant sleep without it. i tried to reach for it and couldnt move. i dont even think i was breathing for that matter. i then realized that my dog was asleep on the floor next to me and had not bothered to move. i think thats when i realized what had happened. i took some time for me to go back to sleep. it was one of the worst experinces of my life and im glad to say it hasent happened since...



Dale, have you seen the movie Dreamscape? Here is a brief summery.




A government funded project looks into using psychics to enter people's dreams, with some mechanical help. When a subject dies in his sleep from a heart attack Alex Gardner becomes suspicious that another of the psychics is killing people in the dreams somehow and that is causing them to die in real life. He must find a way to stop the abuse of the power to enter dreams. Written by Zaphod [aaa@scs.leeds.ac.uk]


This movie portrays lucid dreaming beautifully. The subjects are lucid dreaming while the physic enters their dream to help them. It's actually playing on Showtime/HBO. One of the movie channels or you can probably rent it? It was made in 1984 so good luck with the renting of it.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 04:40 PM
link   

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
I can dream in a lucid state if I fall asleep consciously thinking about doing so. Almost in a state of meditation... I don't think it's another reality, I believe it's consciously influencing your dreams. Easy as that.


Hi Deadflagblues,

Like I said, I'm no expert, so I really don't know, but good point above. But what do you mean "it's" consciously influencing my dreams? The everyday stuff I experience or the dream itself is constantly influencing my dreams? If it's the latter, then why are you able to do whatever you want, like in real life situations? To me that would seem that I'm the one influencing my lucid dreams, not the other way around. Whatever your dream may be, at the time you realize that you are "awake" in your dream, it seems you are the one that can now influence what goes on around you.


I'd love to be able to have those dreams on command like you. It would be a new adventure every night. haha

I have my fair share of them. It just seems that since "it's real" , just like the chair you are sitting in, that it's possible that it could be another reality.

Thanks for the post Deadflagblues



new topics

top topics



 
6
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join