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The Dulce Papers... fact or fiction?

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posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 05:38 PM
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Hey ATS Folks,
Long-time reader, but new-time poster here. Maybe this has been discussed, in fact I'm sure it has somewhere, but has anyone seen the Dulce Papers and video www.crowdedskies.com has been toting? There are 5 apers, which onsist of a cover sheet and 4 cartoony drawings of "machines" used inside the base. The video consists of a sweeping 30-second silent overview of these contraptions, including a close-up of a creature thing inside of a suspension tank. Later in the site, someone informs the owner via email that the video is bunk. But then someone else disagrees...
In any case, very interesting stuff. Any thoughts?

PS - If this specific topic has previously been covered, please direct me there and forgive a n00b for a space-wasting post. Thanks!




posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 05:51 PM
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Hi and welcome to ATS.

I've personally used the following site for information. I'm not sure how much of it is legitimate but it certainly makes for interesting reading.

www.thewatcherfiles.com...

As to other threads here on the subject, you might want to check the following:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just some things to get you started - Happy Hunting



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 05:53 PM
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Thanks man, much appreciated. that site is interesting...



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 05:59 PM
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If I remember the forum pretty much all agreed that the video was a fake. No doubt about that. But you know, somtimes thats how disinfo works, they take a truth and then put some hoaxie spin on it to mislead any potential truths from being discovered. I cannot speak for others on the forum but I for one believe the Dulce papers could be indeed quite true. Scary thought I know, but in this world there are things that just dont add up to the dream that they would like for the majority to continue. I wonder at times about all of the millions of missing persons worldwide and if they have ended up in one of the testing facilities.



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 06:06 PM
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I would suggest checking out John Lear's thread on this subject. I too am very interested in Dulce and all D.U.M.B.'s for that matter. Also check on google or youtube for the video's by Bill Cooper and Phil Schneider. These two video's alone peaked my interest very much.

Also there is a book that was written in 1995 by Richard Sauder called Under Ground What is the Gov't trying to hide?

thewatcherfiles.com is a excellent place also to get info on Dulce and pictures as well. If you need anymore help on the subject I would be more then happy to assist you.




posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 06:21 PM
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this is why i love ATS - everyone is so friendly and helpful.

the video looks very, very convincing, but it could be a hoax. i don't think that camera action that fluid would be possible in an underground base. the papers, on the other hand, look very strange - like something Matt Groening would draw. lol But still, I think of it this way - whatever it is, it's out there somewhere...



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 07:10 PM
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Dulce has become a great legend over the past 15 years or so, however I'm sure less than 10% of the available information is accurate. Here's a link with more info, but be picky about what you choose to believe. I think the undeniable truth is that there's something there, it's secret, and it's hidden for good reason.

www.redelk.net...

Coast to Coast interview with Richard Sauder, author of 'Underwater & Underground Bases.' (12 parts)

www.youtube.com...

And like magycpapyri said, Phil Scheider is a major part of it's public history, look him up if you haven't already. I'm sure there was some embellishment to his story, but I think there's truth at the core. His story actually got me interested in this topic as well.



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 10:15 PM
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I was just re-reading your post and I'm thinking you might be talking about Thomas Costello and the missing files and tapes that he took of Dulce. Is this what you were referring to in your post? If so I can help you a bit on this but I have come to a brick wall on most of the Dulce information.
Maybe we can all help each other and get past this brick wall.



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 10:32 PM
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The Dulce papers were written by our very own John Lear, after he was told about it by others......he WROTE them.......

If you wanna know more about them ask him he will tell you straight up what those are all about.
Discussion links below.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 10:37 PM
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I'm not quite sure while anyone would want the 'Dulce Story' to be real? It would make a great movie or a TV show, but if it is real... then the human race is in alot of trouble.



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 10:50 PM
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Alex... I did a bit of research of the website you recommended in your first post. I was correct when I spoke of Thomas Costello, a bit of the information is wrong on that web site. Thomas Costello is the name of the man that had the documents that were signed by the president and he is also the one that had the videotape however:

Thomas Costello and his wife disappeared never to have re-surfaced. Thomas did make 5 copies of these papers and tape. They also have never been re-covered. John Lear does speak of this on his thread on ATS and also on his video on google. John stats that possibly the only tape left would be one that is buried, but he is not sure.

Its very hard to find information on Dulce and on the D.U.M.B.'s but its out there, Of course I guess it would not be a secret if it were easy to find info on it


There are not many believers of this theory, so you may get alot of strange posts over this thread, but I for one... know they do EXIST and will help anyway I can to get more information.



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 11:18 PM
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Thanks for the support everyone. Kind of ironic - I thought the post I made about DIA was going to get more hits than this.


Anyways, some searching has me rather confused - apperantly some poeple are divided on the purpose of the base, as well as who potentially runs it. About half the stuff I've read says it's a joint operation between Greys and the US, the other half saying it's between NWO "shadow" forces and a "subterranean alien race."


"CENTURIES AGO, SURFACE PEOPLE [some say the ILLUMINATI] entered into a pact with an 'Alien nation' HIDDEN WITHIN THE EARTH," Commander X alleges.
"The U.S. [Executive] Government, in 1933 agreed to trade animals in
exchange for high-tech knowledge, and to allow them to use [undisturbed]
UNDERGROUND BASES, in the Western U.S.A. A special group was formed to deal
with the 'Alien' beings. In the 1940's 'Alien Life Forms' [ALF's] began
shifting their focus of operations, FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA, TO THE
U.S.A."


Inside Intelligence on the Dulce Base

Visit that link - it's a good read. Apperantly they are breeding nongender beings/"almost human" entities for... who knows why? Between that and "electromagnetic weapons research," this could be a dangerous place.


One of the people who in escaped the facility was a CIA agent who, prior to leaving, made some notes, photos, and videotapes, before going into hiding. He has been in hiding ever since, and every six months he contacts each of five(?) people he left copies of the material with. His instructions were that if he missed four successive contacts, the people could do whatever they want with the material. The individuals caring for the packages were non technical in nature and new very little about the documents.

In December 1987 a description of these so called "Dulce Papers" was issued, and received by many researchers. The leak is suspected to have come from one of the caretakers of the papers.


Totse - The Dulce Papers

Is this former CIA agent our own John Lear, or is it Thomas Costello? I certainly didn't think that Mr. Lear was in hiding, give that he has his own board and all. If not, then which papers does this description speak of? Everywhere I've gone, it's said there are 25 b&w photos, 6 min. of video, and a bunch of tech documents. But the only things that have surfaced are 5 sketches and 31 seconds of video.
Which package of documents are we talking about?

[edit on 16-9-2007 by alexbassguy]

[edit on 16-9-2007 by alexbassguy]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:04 AM
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I am preparing to post the Dulce story as I know it in this thread. I already have about 2 hours in and I expect to finish by midnight.

Most of the work is scanning the original 'Dulce Papers' which I copied and typed and will include how and where I got the originals.

I will include how I got involved in the Dulce story in Crestone, Colorado in 1987 and how it developed.

I have finished most of the text and am now working on the scans. The original Dulce drawings were in pencil and drawn from the original photos that Thomas Costello produced.

This post will be the most accurate account of the Dulce story and Dulce papers as I remember it. Its been 20 years since it all started for me.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:05 AM
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From all the information I have researched, IMHO I think Dulce is run by both the grey's and the military. Apparently the grey's are on the lower level of Dulce, each level has a higher security clearance in order to enter and also the eye scan.

The person they are talking about on TOTSE is Thomas Costello. As far as I know, none of that information has ever been recovered. I think we should ask John Lear again to make sure. Actually I'm surprised he has not found this thread.
I'm not sure why they are saying that some of the footage of the film was leaked and some of the pics. Its very hard to pick and choose from all the information, most of it is incorrect.

Also, you may want to read what Bob Lazaar has to say on this particular subject as well. John Lear and Bob Lazaar are IMHO the most respected and truthful individuals on this subject and many other subjects involving UFO's, ET's, etc.

I'm going to read your article that you posted on your last post now, but wanted to get that particular information to you regarding the CIA agent. Hope that helps. Let me know if you start a thread on John Lear's Forum, would love the chance to post there also!



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:06 AM
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mr. lear, it's an honor to have you post in my thread!


i'm looking forward to some refutable, true answers for once. this internet can be a ridiculous place sometimes...

[edit on 17-9-2007 by alexbassguy]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:06 AM
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I must say its a honor to be able to discuss the Dulce information with you Mr. Lear. I'm a huge fan.

I look fwd to the information you have on Thomas Costello. Since the time you last spoke in your forum of these files, have they been recovered? I will not post any other questions, just will patiently wait
--biting my nails--- for the new information to be posted.

Not sure about you Alex, but I'm up for the night!


[edit on 17-9-2007 by magycpapyri]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:16 AM
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oh wow, just found this site using Dogpile.com (who dpesn't like changing it up every once in a while?) it's SUPER detailed, speaks of two guys, Dr. Paul Bennewitz and the author Dr. Michael E. Salla. it goes really in-depth about specifics within the base under a guise of "human rights violations on behalf of the ET population."


Dr Paul Bennewitz is an electronics specialist who in the late 1979 began to film, photograph, and electronically intercept what appeared to be extensive UFO/ET activity and communications that he traced to the vicinity of the Archuletta Mesa on Jicarilla Apache Reservation land near the town of Dulce. Based on the collected evidence Bennewitz concluded that an underground extraterrestrial (ET) base existed near Dulce that played a role in both cattle mutilations and abduction of civilians. In 1980, the Air Force Office of Special Intelligence (AFOSI) began investigating Bennewitz’s evidence, and this eventually led to its disinformation campaign to discredit Bennewitz. Bennewitz’s subsequent electronic evidence and field research alleging extensive human rights abuses were occurring at the Dulce underground base became associated with the AFOSI disinformation campaign. Most UFO researchers concluded that Bennewitz had been too influenced by disinformation to be taken seriously


Exopolitics - The Dulce Report

The report later on speaks of not one but many conflicts between ETs and US forces, resulting in hundereds dead as opposed to the alleged 66. I don't have time to read the whole thing now, but I will tomorrow. Check it out, definitely!

[edit on 17-9-2007 by alexbassguy]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:25 AM
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Great find
I have not seen this one before and from the first few paragraphs, looks to be quite credible.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by magycpapyri




I look fwd to the information you have on Thomas Costello. Since the time you last spoke in your forum of these files, have they been recovered?


No.


j ust will patiently wait
--biting my nails--- for the new information to be posted.

Not sure about you Alex, but I'm up for the night!



Magycpapyri, go to bed! There is no new information. You already know all of this stuff. This thread is Dulce Papers-Fact or Fiction and all I'm telling is how it all started.

Nite nite.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:49 AM
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oh! magyk, you just got told!


mr. lear, did you have time to visit any of the articles i've posted? what do you think?



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