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France says it must prepare for possible war with Iran

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posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by hinky
If France is preparing for war, then it must be very bad. All they know how to do is surrender. Others win for them, then they claim victory because the battle happened on their territory.

France just needs to keep making cheese and wine and let the real powers of the world fight.


Ah, the American Education system in full swing there, I see....



Originally posted by hinky
I'm America, what wars have the French won since then, WITHOUT OUR HELP!


They did quite well during the Napoleonic era. Conquered most of Europe in fact. Only stopped when a combined Prussian-British Army met them at Waterloo.

Also, in WW1, the French suffered the highest casualty rate and fought the fiercest battles out of the Allies.

Lets not forget that the Americans didn't show up until 1917, by which time, the war was won anyway. American forces arriving on the Western front were also butchered because they learnt nothing from the previous 3 years of war and still relied on pre-WW1 tactics, such as the human wave.

In WW2, before the Vichy Government surrendered, the French fought fiercely. There are many examples of French forces fighting to the last man when cut off by German blitzkrieg attacks.

Why not do some reading? Surely it is much better than looking a pillock?




posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by Keebie
If france comes to our side this time I will resume eating french fries!


Always remember:No nation is below recieving orders from the U.S. Such insubordination should be dealt with extreme prejudice.



Originally posted by hinky
If France is preparing for war, then it must be very bad. All they know how to do is surrender. Others win for them, then they claim victory because the battle happened on their territory.


I'll admit Charlemagne couldn't really be classified as 'French' but does the name Napoleon mean anything to you? Oh wait, that's right, he imported British/German/U.S soldiers, didn't he?

And, by your logic (or lack thereof) for France to claim any victories anywhere, must have had Europe/Africa as French territory.


Originally posted by Keebie
France just needs to keep making cheese and wine and let the real powers of the world fight.


Indeed


That little rant ranks somewhere near the poster on a different forum (which I won't mention) who thanked God Italy didn't enter World War 1 earlier, or Europe would be quite 'Italian', to say the least.


Anyway, back on track, I'd have to agree with St Udio, that this perhaps has subtle implications for the French Africa/Arab Muslim community. No better way to step up the pressure so to speak than threaten Iran. Also could be indicative of a Western shift against the rising Middle Eastern power.


Originally posted by Skyfloating
1. The iranian leadership as really become a threat to the world and must be dealt with.


I thought as much, but look at little Kim:He's not quite reducing South Korea to a nuclear wasteland, is he? Outside militia support in Iraq, I think that Mahmoud Ahmandinejad is just posturing to the Islamic majority in Iran:What better way to slow/end/reverse declining support than rant about the illegitimate existance of Israel/Western 'dominance' in the Middle East/growing nuclear capability of Iran?


Originally posted by Skyfloating
2. The sinister and secret "NWO" is closing in and most get rid of one of its last enemies...iran.


Much like our favourite friend in Venezula, Mahmoud Ahmandinejad is quite the populist agitator, and his non-compliance with Western directives could make some view him as 'the good guy', he's still claiming that he wants to take Israel down no matter the cost. I hope it's just empty posturing, but that's how it always begins, isn't it?


Originally posted by Skyfloating
3. The sinister and secret "NWO" already has both sides, iran and the west, as puppets to orchestrate a war.


Well, I'll just get this out now:I loathe New World Order conspiracies. Maybe I'm jaded from constant Jew/'Liberal'/Gay /every other minority bashing, or claims that every other political/social group in history is part of a millenia old conspiracy to dominate the world, but I just find it ridiculous that the supposed 'NWO' has fingers everywhere.

Anyway just my thoughts.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 02:22 AM
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"If France is preparing for the possibility of War with Iran, then it must be serious".

I second that...



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 02:26 AM
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Once again, I'd like to point out that there has been a LOT of dis-information put out about Iran. And again, rather than hashing out the same points that I've written more than once on these forums, I'd like to implore all members to arms themselves with weapons of ignorance denial by reading this thread: Understanding the Iran Dis-Info Campaign



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating


1. The iranian leadership as really become a threat to the world and must be dealt with.

I consider it is the US administration that is the biggest threat to the world


2. The sinister and secret "NWO" is closing in and most get rid of one of its last enemies...iran.

MMMMM ? Sinister and secret NWO/ Please explain what you consider to be this NWO


3. The sinister and secret "NWO" already has both sides, iran and the west, as puppets to orchestrate a war.


There is no NWO stop imagining things



[edit on 16-9-2007 by Skyfloating]

[edit on 16-9-2007 by Skyfloating]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 02:50 AM
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Im starting to believe maybe France is in line for a false flag attack..\




posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by esdad71
Was it not France who had Muslims killing at random within the last year?


They also had riots in 2006 that had nothing to do with muslims.

Riots in France as Job Protests Heat Up

So what's your point?



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 03:35 AM
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posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 03:53 AM
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Originally posted by guadalupejoe
no way that civilized humanity can allow a "EDIT TO REMOVE RACIST REMARKS" nation like Iran have the bomb...


Learn to spell and punctuate. It would make you appear more intelligent. Or, just intelligent.

What, exactly, makes them a psycho nation? Where are you from? Shall i generalise as well?


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
are you kidding me??????? that is like letting Hitler have the bomb or Stalin or Mao..


No it isn't, not even slightly. Iran hasn't attacked anyone for decades. On the contrary, the west has been interferring in their internal affairs for decades which led DIRECTLY to the Islamic Revolution.


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
well at least 50 years ago.. now it is MAD mutually assured Destruction but the "EDIT TO REMOVE RACIST REMARKS"... they have no value for their own live much less anyone elses....


And what makes you think that? You know lots of Iranians, do you? I assume the one's you know have a propensity to throw themselves under trains or self-harm, unless you keep an eye on them?

I am pretty sure that calling a whole group of people "psycho" and "thick headed", plus whatever else, is known as racism.


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
they still think like Mohammed "EDIT TO REMOVE RACIST REMARKS" did 1300 years ago...


Ah, religious hatred to go with your rampant racism. You are a pleasant little person, aren't you? For the record, it was more like 1400 years ago, but who's counting?


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
Dark Age people and dark age civilization.


Really? Why do you think that?


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
They have nothing to lose the idiots they have hated the Western Civilizations since the time they started that "EDIT TO REMOVE RACIST REMARKS" religion in that damn desert..


Again with the racist and anti-Islamic rubbish.

The Iranians didn't start Islam. In fact, they resisted the initial incursions of Muhammed for quite some time.

For the record, most of Iran isn't "desert". It is actually quite lush and fertile.


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
Iranians and the rest of them are Bedouins..


Er, no they are not. They are Persian. Bedouins live in Africa and the Arabian desert.


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
they will use that bomb vs Israel right off the bat and then it would be used againt the US and France and the rest of NATO countries...


Your obvious strategic insight and immense knowledge on the subject has swayed me. What else can you tell me, oh enlightened one? Like, perhaps, what makes you so damn certain that, if they are even working towards a bomb, that they would use it?


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
so the answer that the relatively new Pres of France gives is correct and necessary.. It is good to see France coming out of the closet and the leftist past..


Would it shock you to know that France is as left as it ever was? They do things for their own interests, not just because America said "jump".


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
they now know that the only way for them to surviive is to keep the damn "EDIT TO REMOVE RACIST REMARKS"...


And again with the racist comments.....

EDIT: Removed racist remarks I quoted at the request of Gemwolf. I think I got them all.

[edit on 17/9/07 by stumason]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 03:56 AM
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What is a Pillock?
yes on the history lesson.. concur on WWI France.... What destroyed the French was existentialsm i am sure of that Satre and the others.... They got the absolute sh_t kicked out of them by the Germans...
But you faill to mention the financial aid that America provided for Europe before that stupid war started........ Aliances was the problem my Limey friend... Stupid 19th century alliances which set off a chain of events that started a World War... what a crock.....

WWII was broght on by the heavy handedness of WWII.... the Treaty of Versailles i believe... the Allies were really tough on the Axis powers and the bad blood carried over... as everyone knows... I believe Lord George and the Walrus from France were the leaders at the time if i am not mistaken? a treaty held inside a rail road car????? what????

Americans were an isolationist country up to the point of their entrance in WWI... they could see the arrogance and ignornance of imperialistic Europe... they wanted nothing to do with the war... yes, they provided and/or sold war materials but the Americans were too busy with industrialization and the expansionism into the west.... They had fought the Indian wars, the Spanish War relatively recently up to WWI.... and they were in no way ready for Trench Warfare.. you are right as rain my English brother... But learn we did and without American help you and your friends in Europe would be speaking German now... France was about totally exhausted when the US came into the war...

WWII would never have happened if the USA had not been dragged into WWI by the allies who came crying and begging as usual... Churchill and Roosevelt were by no means friends Lord Churchill came over to see his friend Franklin hat and cigar in hand.... Lend Lease and a tremendous sacrifcie by Americans and America once again saved the 'old country' from total defeat in WWII.... And to think all Church had to give up was his foreign Empire..... and that they did veryvery grudgeingly indeed...

France??? ... it was tough for them to give up there Empire i remember reading .... didn't they fight on in Vietnam after the war???/ 1954 and up north near the Red River.. DVphu ??? sp? anyway, i do remember America bankrolling that one too.... and i remeber they got involved in another French war......... and we all know what happened in that war... they took a pounding in that one too.... so.. what is the point?????? don't look around and place any blame on America... America has been supporting NATO and W Europe for the past couple hundred years now... and they will continue this effort because they have the ethics that many other countries do not have........... yes that is right ETHICS. America has it is spades and i can not think of another country who can come close....



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:01 AM
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posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by guadalupejoe
yes that is right ETHICS. America has it is spades and i can not think of another country who can come close....


Dude!
I just blew ice tea through my nose reading that.
What a friggin mess.

While I clean it up, I suggest that you view this:

Google Video Link



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:09 AM
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Noam Chomsky..... need i reply to this relic of the cold war???? Even your buddy Putin would throw him back into the water... Got to tell ya pal that diversity training is over for the nite... and you can pack up and get in bed with your buddy, the Limey...
quotas... always quotas....



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by guadalupejoe
reply to post by stumason
 


numb nutts limey... i wrote mine without the use of spellcheck or thesaurus.. if you are so enamored with you supposed intellect then i would recommend a reality check... por favor...


As do I. The spell checker's can't spell anyway. They have a habit of trying to bastardise English into American English.

As for my "supposed" intellect and my grip on reality, well, let's just say that going on current impressions, I am leagues ahead of yourself.

EDIT: To qualify myself here, I am just going to point out that your "assessment" of the world wars and your own countries history is quite distorted. You can't even get basic names and places correct.

Are you going to contribute anything meaningful to this discussion, or are you just going to rant about Muslims?

[edit on 17/9/07 by stumason]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:23 AM
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Are you saying you are afraid to learn something?

Regardless of your opinion, the man has many things worth listening to. Even opponents of Chomsky admit that he has a lot of very valid points... unless they've never actually listened to or read him and/or are just flat out ignorant.

The US is one of the least ethical developed nations in existence. Corruption is part of the culture. Take a look around. Gangs, violence, crime, drugs, porn, porn, porn, pop music, greed, porn, drugs, Hip Hop, your raciest and intolerant comments, more porn, Fox News, "Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction", Enron, Exxon, the Federal Reserve System, more drugs, the war on drugs, the CIA making a lot of money on the war on drugs, Paris Fricken Hilton... need I go on?

Ethics?
You don't even have a right to use the word!

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posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
I believe in those options in this order:
1.
3.
2.

I sure do hope that iran is really a threat and consensus-reality is what the media says it is. But I am willing to consider the other stuff to. I hardly believe that iranian-leadership are the "good guys" though, as many conspiracy-theorists claim. If you really think they are the good guys, go live under their rule. you will be back in no time.


so what do you consider a threat?

1. a country that has a history of attacking others directly
2. a country that just chats from its behind and doesnt follow through


also dont bring in terrorist supporters
as the US also supports terrorists just in larger numbers



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:32 AM
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I'm not going to pick apart you long winded and wildly inaccurate assessment about the World War's, but this caught my eye:


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
America has been supporting NATO and W Europe for the past couple hundred years now...


What? The past COUPLE OF HUNDRED YEARS?? NATO has only been around since the 50's and prior to 1914, the USA was utterly irrelevant in international affairs.


Originally posted by guadalupejoe
and they will continue this effort because they have the ethics that many other countries do not have........... yes that is right ETHICS. America has it is spades and i can not think of another country who can come close....


Whatever dude. The rest of the world will disagree, mind you. The USA is as morally bankrupt as they come. You place yourselves high up on this pedestal, which itself is based on revisionist history and warped conceptions about the world outside of the USA.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by hinky
I'm America, what wars have the French won since then, WITHOUT OUR HELP!


The US only helps if its in its interest and if the war won´t take place on its territory. As soon as something happens in the US like 9/11 then it attacks any old week country which might or might not be involved. Why didn´t it have a crack at Pakistan as they were also involved in terrorist activity? because they would have gotten some heavy # back.

And a more interesting question is why the US always gets its ass kicked by small countries like Vietnam.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:49 AM
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Guadalipejoe, please stop talking.
Aside from furthering the worst possible opinions against the U.S. people, it actually causes physical pain to read your posts.
Physical pain.
And then concluding that someone with proper grammar and spelling has to use Spellcheck? ...
Please..
Go..
Please go away..

i. Not sure if you're trying to be an intellectual, but, a philosophy did not lose the first world war, for the French..

ii. Trying to keep with your completely disconnected melding of facts.. any financial 'boost' America gave the Europeans prior to World War one was most likely not in the least meant to be in any way used towards a war. The thing was rather a surprise.
But, of course you know that.
Because you know what you're talking about.

iii. Yes. It is fourth-grade knowledge that the Treaty of Versailles had an enormous impact on World War II. I fail to conceive why you are giving our international friends a history lecture, which has nothing to do with the current conversation, save somehow boost your own sense of intellectual worth.
And failing miserably.

iv. Arrogance and ignorance of Imperialist Europe? .. Now only do you make it sound as though America has never had the least bit of Imperialistic endeavors, but that we were somehow 'enlightened' compared to Europe? FYI, the French and Indian war occurred in the 1700's...

v. 'English brother'? Considering what has been coming out of your mouth, to use a friendly term is a bit .. mentally-handicapped, of you. 'Learn we did'? Are you trying to sound like some sort of professor? Good Lord.
Further, France, for all formal [state] intents and purposes, was dead by the start of the true World War. This is well-known. Common-knowledge.
And, if we hadn't stopped Hitler in Europe, we might very well be speaking the same.
Are you aware that a vast majority of the American public, before the propaganda campaign, did not want to enter Europe? There was no 'savior' or 'enlightened' attitude.

vi. World War II would not have happened? If I recall, the United States was a relatively sole proponent among the allies for lessening the consequences on Germany for World War I. Something which, you all-ready said, lead to the war. Good catch. And, crying and begging? .. Good job.

vii. Roosevelt and ... not .. good friends..
God..

viii. Clearly, you have no concept of history. You feel the need to boost your ego when discussing this topic among these members. Your argument is hypocritical, and no further any concept of American 'Elitism' and any myth about our public education system to unspeakable lengths.

For the sake of my country.

Please remove yourself.

Preferably delete the account.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 04:49 AM
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