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reply posted on 18-9-2007 @ 09:03 PM by chissler
Originally posted by fweshcawfee
Don't delude yourself pal, when it's about someone's life it is most certainly about what is the right or wrong thing to do. What if the OP had taken the advice you were so adamanently insisting he take... things could have went from bad dream to nightmare in about ten seconds. If he'd made police reports based on the accusations of someone whom has already proven they're a liar, the situation would have been escalated to something far, far worse. You were wrong. Period.


If that makes you feel better about yourself, then yes. You were right, I was wrong. Can we move on?

Originally posted by fweshcawfee
You can continue taking your own bad advice as much as it pleases you to do so, personally I wouldn't consider a single word you ever said because you assess situations from a standpoint of blind emotion rather than sensibility and self-preservation.


Self-preservation? Exactly. I had the best interests of the unborn child at heart, not myself. Apparently you were looking out for number one.

For a moment I thought a positive discussion was possible. Apparently this is an ego-boost to you, where you need to constantly remind everyone about how right you were, and about how wrong I was.

If you're happy, I'm happy. Let's move on.




Vegemite,

Please distance yourself from this person. You seem like a good person who will sacrifice his own well being, for those that he loves. Someone who will take advantage of you like this, does not have your best interests at heart. You are a good person who does not deserve to be treated like this.

Continue to be yourself, and you will find the right match. Clearly, this isn't it.

Stay strong dude.




reply posted on 18-9-2007 @ 09:07 PM by fweshcawfee
reply to post by Vegemite



Chis was wrong, you need to realize that and admit it to yourself. I say that not out of anything against him but with the intention of helping you get your head on straight. You need to be more aware of things Veg because being unaware of things is what got you into this mess to begin with. There is a very large turd hanging under your nose and you need to start smelling it.

Also by staying her friend, you aren't climbing out of anything, you're only sinking yourself further into it. Can't you see that when it comes to this girl your instincts are screwed up? You're young and impressionable, the perfect candidate for someone like her to toy with. You're susceptible to her manipulations, she's lied to you and played off your gullibility before and she'll do it again.

Bah! Do what you like, I'm done with this thread, no one is listening to me anyway. Good luck to you regardless, I'm out.


reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 11:42 AM by orangetom1999
Vegemite,

You have some serious problems as well as does she.

You are not in the rescue me buisness. YOu are not in the lost puppy buisness. I have been in the rescue buisness...the drama buisness. The rescue me buisness is highly unprofitable as is the Drama buisness.

I can assure you women who are drama queens can bring up one drama after another faster than you can deal with them.

ON the topic of abuse...Has it ever occured to you or the other posters here that such mental drama is in fact abuse??? She is abusing you and you are allowing it because you feel the need to rescue...to save her.

We are so stupid today as a people that we think of physical abuse as the most severe abuse. It is not . Mental abuse can be just as bad or severe. Just ask any woman who has been lied to about a relationship.

Dont be stupid here Vegemite.

You should have reported this to the police and also gotten a pregnency test done..then if it went foreward ..a DNA test.

If nothing else doing this pregnency test and or a DNA test would illustrate to this girl that you are not a emotional pushover. That you are not a train wreck as is she. Believe it or not females respect a certain kind of assertive man that they cannot manipulate with their drama. It is obvoius that this female does not respect you enough to treat you with respect. You have brought most of this upon yourself with your ignornace of these concepts. Do not be a drama queen yourself. They feed off of this.

At your age there are lots of male and female drama queens who have mostly a television education and majoring in emotional satisfaction..providing someone else take the risks. Some people never grow out of this drama queen stuff into thier 50s. You need to be smarter than this. YOu also need to get out of your drama queen menu and start thinking not emoting. The price you will pay for living for your emotioins will be severe if you dont learn to manage it correctly.

IF you can ever get women to truely level with you they will tell you how manipulative some women can be. This is in fact abuse. Women can see other manipulative women naked...much faster than males. They are sharper in this arena than are males here. You need to be smarter than this too for your survival. Do you want a career in such abuse and drama??

Think ...dont emote.

Thanks,
Orangetom


reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 12:14 PM by MrdDstrbr
reply to post by orangetom1999



Orangetom,

Would you care to give some specifics and examples so that people can better understand what you're actually talking about?

Because I've noticed, you have this strange.... almost hypnotic.... way of posting, where you make all these vague statements.... and generalizations..... so that people have to fill in the blanks, with their own minds.... because you never actually say anything of substance!

Some people may find it entertaining to read all this stuff and, just start daydreaming..............



But others have NO patience for that kind of thing!



reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 05:13 PM by orangetom1999
MrdDstrbr,

Thanks for your post and reply..also your questions or desire for clarification. No problem.

The OP.....Vegemite goes through this long sequence of drama with this girl who claims she is pregnant. She does not want him to check up on her to the point he is questioning the validity of her pregnancy or her bruises from abuse. He complies. She wants to operate in the hidden arena. This is known as Occult,concealed...not seen outside of a selected or controlled group. She does not want the light of day to be shown or cast on this drama she is directing. He complies. He is a puppet on a string.

She enjoys the drama. She obviously has him ...Vegemite... pegged as needing attention as much as she. He needs to rescue so as to earn his way to a womans attention. He is willing to try out for her approval. She obliges him by keeping him further on the emotional strings. He complies again. In short ..she abuses him for attention and power ..female attention and power. This works well with many males because they actually are willing to stick their neck in the noose willingly so as to allow her to tighten up the noose. IN short...she does not respect him. She will use and control him with drama for attention. He complies because he thinks he is being and doing what men are supposed to be doing.
He is still so dumb he wants to remain friends with her so the he can get back on the puppet strings.
He will wind up rescueing her again because he thinks this is what men should be spending a career doing to stay within a females line of sight. He does not fully understand that her attention span is not long enough to keep him in her line of sight when she can do drama instead and direct the whole play.

You have to go to school and get educated into dumbness to get this naturally stupid. But drama and psuedo drama has become a important part or our daily lives when we are groomed in it by hour after hour after h our ad nasuem from movies and television ...which is where many of us today get our examples of what real life should be like.

Hence I use the example of puppet strings. Both of them are responding to puppet strings which are not their strings. They are attempting to live a false paradigm.

This OP ..Vegemite is very young. The younger he is when he finally learns this template or paradigm the better off he will be through life. I am not saying that all women out there are like this. Not at all. I am saying that you dont find poll numbers on this to illustrate that this is more common that most people realize. I have seen women in thier 50 trying to play variations of this game because they think that it will never see the light of day and they will never be held accountable. This game depends on the natural stupidity of a male and there are plenty of them out here...plenty.

Nothing wrong with Chivalry ...properly applied...nothing at all. There is something very wrong with stupidity...very wrong. both male and female. Understand now??
HOpe this helps clarify.

Alot of girls and women get away with this nonsense because most men or guys are way to stupid to force them into the light of day.
This girl is ignorant enought to get caught up in this drama scenerio in which she thinks she specializes and run into a real genuine abuser. Many have.

The fault here in this story or tale is primarily the fault of the male..

Thanks,
Orangetom


reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 09:10 PM by MrdDstrbr
reply to post by orangetom1999



Are you male or female, orangetom?

I have a really hard time believing that a male would go ON and ON about how "stupid" men are, like you do....

You are VERY obviously female and fooling no one.

As for the emotional abuse and manipulation of men by women, well yes that is possible, but ONLY to the extent that a man is "stupid" enough to put all his eggs in one basket!

Focus on one woman to the exclusion of all others, and yes, she can choose to take advantage of that and string you along and abuse you indefinitely. But if you can recognize, "Yeah Girl A is stringing me along and making a lot of big promises that she never keeps - but Girl B and C and D and E are not!", then it becomes very easy to know which girl or girls to choose - and which ones to avoid.

It is not difficult for a man to avoid that trap at all. NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER put all your eggs in one basket, that's all!

ALWAYS have options and choices - because options give you power.


reply posted on 22-10-2007 @ 01:04 AM by orangetom1999
MrdDstrbr,

Are you male or female, orangetom?

I have a really hard time believing that a male would go ON and ON about how "stupid" men are, like you do....

You are VERY obviously female and fooling no one.


Your deep ...no doubt about it ...very deep. I gotta hand it to you. Congratulations.

As for the emotional abuse and manipulation of men by women, well yes that is possible, but ONLY to the extent that a man is "stupid"


Thats what I was saying..precisely. Not that a man puts all his eggs in one basket but he does not put his eggs in a basket which is not worthy. If he puts his egges in a basket worthy ..fine ..I am glad for him. It is up to the individual men to educate themselves sufficient to pull his head out of his backside and get some fresh air...clean out his brain cavity. This requires clear thinking about the true nature of a thing..not the appearence of a thing or a deception. A counterfit ..which is what the OP had on his hands and didnt seem to undertand. To much emotional baggage blocking his thinking.
Do you think this is a concept for which a woman/female is likely to educate or invest in a man only to risk losing him to the next woman? Women dont tend to want to educate their man in the nature of a woman. They tend to want their men ready made..not a project in the making.

THe OP is not ready for this type of education as of yet. This is obvious to me. They would rather spend a career for now in rescuing females to the point that he helps the females like this keep his head up his backside and be proudful enough to post this stupidity on BTS.
The question for me is at what age will his head come out and the fresh air start working??

This is a male problem in dumbness. Lots of males out here like this...at any age. They just dont think things through ..but emote instead.

It is not difficult for a man to avoid that trap at all.


It is very difficult for a man/male to avoid this if they are not experienced in it or taught the fundamentals. Very difficult.

ALWAYS have options and choices - because options give you power.


This last statement of your's is a fundamental principle of female thought and power structure. It does not come naturally to most males.
Performing and doing for females comes more naturally to males without thinking about the value of their prerforming or the risks involved.
It is sort of like sports conditioninig for males. They know more instinctively how to carry out the play...and score the touchdown. Sports condititioning is conditioning to do ..to perform....even to thier expendability and disposability. Is this not what is concerning/worrying the OP??

Its very easy for some women to give the guy the clue and cue..the play to carry out and he will run for the touchdown for her. Understand?? Lots of women know this...they are not about to clue in the male to this kind of thinking but keep him running for her touchdowns. NOt all women do this ..I am not implying that.... but it is more prevalent than ever publically told. The OP is a guy who will standby to run the play and touchdown for her. She knows this. Just give him the clue and cue..the play and he will show up to run for the touchdown.
He has indicated this by his willingness to continue as friends when she has obviously deceived him about her pregnancy. She is a train wreck and he is willing to follow her into the crash site to score the touchdowns.

Thanks,
Orangetom

[edit on 22-10-2007 by orangetom1999]


reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 03:49 PM by orangetom1999
Originally posted by Vegemite
Dont worry people, I stopped talking to her like a month ago.

Orangetom, I have no idea what youre trying to tell me. Its sounds like one really long metaphor, but I dont know what it means. Something about me scoring touchdowns with puppet strings


Vegemite,

I am saying ..be very careful about the caliber of the woman in which you choose to invest your time and moneys. Women talk more than men..compare notes..etc etc. Those women who choose to play men out for thier ego needs...have multitudes of way to do this when trained in this type of scam by other women ..books, tv programs, magazines...etc.

Suggest if you can think further than your own ego needs ...get a copy of Seventeen magaizine...Cosmopolitan etc etc ..Redbook...et al and take the quizzes. This is a fingerprint of how many ..not all but many females think. The more young and immature the woman the more likely to fit this template they are. The pattern of the quiz questions indicates more patting on the back rather than learning to take responsibility the Cosmo woman in fact is. Dont learn to take responsibility..take quizzes instead.
Mature women dont need this drivel..they can cut you off at the knees quickly and easily..never breaking out in a sweat. They can also take care of themselves ...without all this drama. They dont dump this drama off on you in this manner which you described.

You need to be smarter than this type of manipulation. There are literally hundreds of ways to pull this off on a "rescue me " type of a male.

YOu do not see this type of market for men..per se...except with Maxim, GQ and some others of which titles I dont know..they too are phoneys..the male version of Cosmopolitian. Just as bad too. THese magazines are pitiful. More fantasy than reality. SAme with Cosmo et al.

Do all women or men fall into this type of pattern ..no not at all. But there are mulitudes like you who will..unknowingly. The younger you educate yourself to this type of drivel the better off you will be and the more/sooner the women with whom you deal will respect you.

When a woman loses respect for you as a man ...She will be quickly finished with you. She will have little or nothing to do with you ..unless it is at their convenience. Their option. Is this not what happened to you with this woman??

Think Vegemite...dont emote...think.

Thanks,
Orangetom
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