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NWO is a good thing.

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posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 05:49 PM
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Have any of you that are for this ever sat down and watched the movie
Children of Men? Escape from New York would be another example.

You really need to research what the NWO is about, its not fun and games
or a great society. Look at Germany under Hitlers reign of terror, does that look fun?

Please explain to me why anyone would want to subject themselves and thier families to this type of life




posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 06:42 PM
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you have to be better informed, thats true.

its a LIE.
they want absolute control, thats all. they were developing their ideas for some hundred years now , they think time runs for them..
they absolutely fear the individual, the creative, free spirit of man.
a single man is a minority.

[edit on 16-9-2007 by anti72]

[edit on 16-9-2007 by anti72]



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 10:47 PM
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I feel honored. The only reason we may think that it will happen this way, the transformation between Type 0 to Type 1 civilization is that most of the worlds population is either ignorant or doesn't have access to info. If everyone plainly realize if we don't change drasticly in the next 1-300 years we can all say bye bye to what "freedom" we have.

I like the shirt idea. something like "I support the NWO" on the front. and "As long as I get the Pentium chip implant, not that AMD crap."



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 10:53 PM
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I think all of you agree that the NWO is going to happen and is needed. Instead of fighting it why not petition for it. Now that is something I want to see. Have ATS.com send out letters to the 1,000s that we suspect is at the top of the NWO.



posted on Sep, 16 2007 @ 10:53 PM
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I'm not a physicist but I would say the first thing that would be needed in order to goto a Type 0 civilization to Type 1 is the end of war itself. War is our handicap. Fear and greed are other handicaps. I just do not see having a one world government will change those facts.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:08 AM
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Very good discussions on both sides of the argument.

A population reduction of this level, 9/10ths, would have drastically bad effects on the Human race unless undertaken with the utmost planning and technology, which I do not know if we are capable of the order and organization required to do so.

What I mean is, the one thing the human race has going for it is the massive numbers it has. When it comes to any extra-planetary threat, such as a meteor strike, alien strike, or from any massive earthly cataclysms like mega tsunamis and mega volcanos, our numbers is what will sustain our existence. Meaning our capability to incur massive casualties from such events while still not being exterminated is our key to moving forward. If it werent for the number of people on the planet already, within the past 50,000 years, we could be extinct right now. The human race was wittled down to just a few sometime in the past 50,000 years, if he had even less people on the earth at that time, there couldve been no survivors.

So to reduce ourselves to 500 million would be a bad thing. Mainly because the vast majority of the people would live within proximity of one another, making a strike or cataclysm there an almost sure extinction of human kind.

This means the 500 million would all have to live in DUMBs somewhere, isolated and self sustainable. An underground, "Zion-like" existence from the movie series Matrix is what I'm seeing, except with alot more order and police power.

This is no way to live?

Population reduction would be good, but not that much. If we had a population maximum of say, 1/3rd of what is current, that would be better. Almost everyone on ATS would be spared, because surely we are more intelligent than the Joe Schmoe crackhead that tries to hit you up for change.

I'm not advocating the extermination of such people I'm just stating a fact which is most of us would make it in a 1 out of 3 situation. 1 out of 13 people however means most of us would die, and only the most elite of the globe would live in those DUMBs..

If thats the way they want to live, they can kill me, count me out ..

If only the world were truly as indoctrinated and brainwashed with religion as everyone says it is. If that were so, the NWO could simply make a play on the Messiah coming/returning, Jews happy, American/European Christians happy, everyone else DEAD, by the wraith of the Lord! Lol. And our new existence in a DUMBs community with Reptilian neighbors/overlords out in New Mexico under the Rocky Mountains could be explained as the Millenial Kingdom, the New Zion promised by God in Revelation for the elect. Lol.

What a load of it.


[edit on 9/17/2007 by runetang]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 12:35 AM
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Youre kidding, right? Why do you insist on pissing on George Orwell's grave?



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 01:05 AM
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I really think its a bad thing because the governments we have now are bad enough if a new government came to try and replace all of them then there would be riots and lots of them.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 01:22 AM
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Humanity messed up. Now that we know more now about science NWO and cingular rule will be the future. I'd much rather have the worlds greatest minds be left to make %90 of the publics decisions. I doubt that the NWO would try to control the masses minds too much. It's late here and I need to rest, its been a great discussion and I have learned a lot from all of you. I still believe the NWO is a good idea.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 01:27 AM
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it wont happen quickly and i can guarantee you lots of people will die because of the NWO.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 06:47 AM
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Ive already written this post several times and deleted it, such a complex topic.

NWO = (global banking cartels, corrupt politicians, greedy exploitive corporations) is bad.



WORLD COUNCIL = representative body of all nations of the world. Fairly represented is good.

Agrees on basics for human existence i.e. FREE clean water, food, health care, infrastructure and education.

This body must provide and implement these basics. This body must identify area's in need of help and then help out. All nations in this body should agree on peace as well as peaceable diplomacy if some sort of conflict arises arbitrated by the world council. World council members should be objective and independent of their birth countries.

We dont need to come under a one world government with one language, one culture.

We can learn to respect each others cultures through education. Yes a common language for administrative purposes can be agreed on most probably english.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 06:49 AM
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Primary Obectives

Firstly getting rid of a federal reserve based economy or even a currency based economy. Switch to gold backed economy or maybe resource based economy. As the global banking cartels are putting hundreds of nations in debt via federal reserve based economies causing millions to live in poverty and die.

Once we get the basics in human existence up to scratch you would notice overpopulation decreasing. As someone who is healthy well fed and educated can be assured through family planning that proper health care will be provided for their children. They wont need to have 7 kids to ensure that their genes will be passed on.

Know more will parents have 7 kids because 5 of them will probably die. As their children cant support the parasitic worms in their belly sapping the only nutrition provided by the measly food rations these starving kids are given. While the parents watch on unable to do anything because they are to poor to afford proper medical aid.
Know more will children that saw 4 of their siblings die and their sister sold as a sex slave to pay for the debt incurred from educating the 2 surviving sons. To ensure that they will live to an age old enough to work and support their parents as no pension for the elderly is provided.

So once that objective is reached then we can start thinking about the future. Outlining where we should be at by 2020.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 06:51 AM
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Secondary Objectives:

Maybe start thinking about the environment. Global warming whether it is or isn't caused by pollution doesn't matter we should be trying to reduce pollution because its beneficial to us. Helping the environment helps us, its that simple.

Ensuring biodiversity and intergenerational equity means that we don't destroy some plant that could be the cure to cancer (even though thats already been found but pharmaceuticals cant make any money of it) through pollution. Under a resource based economy our environment would become our assets and it would be economically beneficial to conserve the environment.

By 2020 all automobiles newly manufactured will have 0 emissions. All public transport will have 0 emissions.

All houses will have solar panels and have the ability to sell excess electricity back to your nations government. The excess electricity can be used to power other infrastructure. Yes people would still use electricity from burning coal but not so great a number.

Houses to be setup with rain water tanks and also use grey water for gardening after simple filtration.

This wont stop pollution but it will greatly reduce our footprint.

Start thinking about better systems of health care. At the moment we have treatment based health systems. As in 'oh this person is sick how can we treat this sickness.' When instead we need prevention based health systems. As in 'how can we stop people from getting sick.' Increase the number of General Practitioners (family doctors) and specialised clinics then you can reduce the number of hospitals.

Free internet for everyone in their homes.

Education on healthy living, foods. Get rid of the trans fats, the excess salt and sugar. Yes some people will still eat unhealthy foods but this will decrease the prevalence of disease caused by poor diet.

Drugs. Psychedelics and other drugs have been used in civilization for tens of thousands of years. There is no easy answer on how to tackle the drug issue but one thing is for sure "the war against drugs" is going as well as "the war against terror."

Maybe legalisation coupled with education (NOT BS PROPAGANDA) will produce a more positive outcome. Its niave to think that people wont take drugs but maybe a happy medium can be found where a more awake and educated society utilize drugs for their positive aspects.

With a properly regulated system less risk would be involved in deadly batches but excess consumption would still be an issue. Hopefully education 'everything in moderation kiddies' will be able to curtail that problem. I think we dont know enough about them because they arent properly researched because of prohibition. Mother nature has provided them lets see what they do, lets do some real research?



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 06:53 AM
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Tertiary Objectives:

So now everyones on an even playing field, its time to level up.

Its 2030 now. Its time that the truth be revealed everyone is fit, healty, educated, open minded (well all the kids are).

Those secrets that world governments have been keeping out of fear of public backlash, public belief system collapse, other countries getting that information and using it against them etc... all of that is gone. Aliens, inter dimensional beings, UFOs, free energy, star gates, whatever, lets have it out in the open. Its time for a truly transparent system of governance, its time for us to go from CIV 0 to CIV 1. The shackles of control are gone now you cant put a meter gauge on free energy. Free and independent man is born
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So thats my ramblings for tonight
i say 2020 and 2030 because hopefully ill still be alive then
. In reality i highly doubt any of this eventuating within my lifetime but hopefully a couple of hundred years down the track.

Its not perfect if you feel something is off or missing point it out, dont point out my poor spelling and grammar I'm well aware of that
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I just feel this is the direction we should be heading in.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 07:35 AM
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Thanks Blahdiblah for your view. I agree with you generally. Although you seem to speak freely without any real credible evidance why you feel this way your "plan" has some good common sense to it.

I think the Federal Reserve should be kept private. My brother work pretty high up in one of the major banks of the US as an investment banker, by no means he is the illuminati type or anything like that. If he saw any real problem with the Federal Reserve I would be one of the 1st to know, also my father who was a wall streeter. Putting that kind of power back into the hands of the US government would be a bad mistake, there is very few thing thats the US government does well and managing money as we all know isn't one of them.

Like you and others have said stopping major conflicks and war should be a major priority.

If we can slow down wars and stop most by let say 2040 would be a good start.

I believe the US has to be the leader here and by 2040 cut military personel by nearly 1/2. Also cut the defense budget by a good amount. This would free up enough money to jump start overall plans to stabilize 3rd world areas. Although the economy would see a resession from this at 1st, if we privatized the actual work to stabilize the 3rd world areas this would fill the giant hole in defense contracting.

that is all for now, thanks all.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 08:35 AM
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This reminds me of the movie I watched last night, -Hero.

For those who havent seen the movie, I will give the gist of it:

Its set in China during the dynasty period, where you have the Ghin and Zhou and Wei states etc. These states war against each other constantly.
I would assume that at this stage, China etc was still just referred to as the Orient or whatnot, not sure of the name here.

Either way, Jet Li (plays the main actor) is bent on assassinating the king of the Chin state, who is the most powerful leader of the states. His plan is to conquer and unite the whole of "China" under one language, one name etc etc. Anyway, in the end as he is about to assasinate the king he realises that the king is right. It all boils down to the phrase he is given by an enlightenened caligrapher ("our land"). In the end the Chin king does win. Hence the name "CHINa".

Infact this is the same thing that the Urantia book mentions...

look here:


P1487:9, 134:5.2 War on Urantia will never end so long as nations cling to the illusive notions of unlimited national sovereignty. There are only two levels of relative sovereignty on an inhabited world: the spiritual free will of the individual mortal and the collective sovereignty of mankind as a whole. Between the level of the individual human being and the level of the total of mankind, all groupings and associations are relative, transitory, and of value only in so far as they enhance the welfare, well-being, and progress of the individual and the planetary grand total -- man and mankind.



Lastly, I hope this external source isnt going to be too large...


134:5.7 As sovereignty passes from smaller groups to larger groups, wars are lessened. That is, minor wars between smaller nations are lessened, but the potential for greater wars is increased as the nations wielding sovereignty become larger and larger. Presently, when all the world has been explored and occupied, when nations are few, strong, and powerful, when these great and supposedly sovereign nations come to touch borders, when only oceans separate them, then will the stage be set for major wars, world-wide conflicts. So-called sovereign nations cannot rub elbows without generating conflicts and eventuating wars.



1488:6, 134:5.8 The difficulty in the evolution of political sovereignty from the family to all mankind, lies in the inertia-resistance exhibited on all intervening levels. Families have, on occasion, defied their clan, while clans and tribes have often been subversive of the sovereignty of the territorial state. Each new and forward evolution of political sovereignty is (and has always been) embarrassed and hampered by the "scaffolding stages" of the previous developments in political organization. And this is true because human loyalties, once mobilized, are hard to change. The same loyalty which makes possible the evolution of the tribe, makes difficult the evolution of the supertribe -- the territorial state. And the same loyalty (patriotism) which makes possible the evolution of the territorial state, vastly complicates the evolutionary development of the government of all mankind.



134:5.9 Political sovereignty is created out of the surrender of self-determinism, first by the individual within the family and then by the families and clans in relation to the tribe and larger groupings. This progressive transfer of self-determination from the smaller to ever larger political organizations has generally proceeded unabated in the East since the establishment of the Ming and the Mogul dynasties. In the West it obtained for more than a thousand years right on down to the end of the World War, when an unfortunate retrograde movement temporarily reversed this normal trend by re-establishing the submerged political sovereignty of numerous small groups in Europe.

More info

[edit on 17-9-2007 by mortalengine]



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 08:56 AM
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In case you didn't realize, the NWO is already in power. They just don't want you to know it. They want you to think you're "free" but you're not. They are already decreasing the population. They started it decades ago when they started adding fluoride to the water and lied telling you it's good for your teeth. And for added measure, it's in your toothpaste. Everything you eat has dangerous chemicals in it. Your soap, shampoo, hand lotion, deodorant, perfume... all have chemicals in them. Your laundry detergent, dishsoap, room fresheners... full of chemicals.

Watch the commercials on TV. Every product being pushed is full of chemicals. Why do think everyone is sick? High blood pressure, high cholestoral, heart disease, depression, ADHD, RLS, erectile dysfunction, dry eyes, diabetes, cancer, alzheimers. They all come from eating processed foods and using chemical-laden products. You think you can get away from them? You can... but it'll cost you 3-4 times as much at the supermarket. And don't think it'll be easy. The chemicals like msg, aspertame and artificial colorings are not always on the label. The food companies are now hiding them in other ingredients that sound healthy and safe.

The medications being pushed at you on the TV... they're full of chemicals designed to do nothing but mask your symptoms while your doctor "manages" your illness and takes a minimum of 15k a year in gifts and kickbacks from the drug companies. And your prescriptions are marked up 150,000% to ensure the drug companies are the richest ones in this country.

There will never be a cure for cancer because the money going to that cause is going into Big Pharma's pocket. They don't tell you there is already many cures for cancer and they hardly cost a dime because they're all natural cures that you can grow in your backyard. But in the future, you won't be able to grow anything healthy or buy anything healthy because the FDA is already in the process of shutting down the vitamin and organic herbal supplements industries. You don't see that reported on the local TV news.

Keep your blinders on if you like and keep pushing for the NWO while you eat your refined sugars, msg, aspertame, and artificial colors. They're good for you!



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by DarkStar86
...all people will have to make sacrafices and not live accesive lives as they choose or possibly decrease the population. (snip)... since we cannot sustain an equal level of living with 6.5 billion people.

So maybe there will be these secret programs to decrease the population...


I hear you Star and of course there is undeniable logic in over-population leading to destruction, however I don't see the NWO as a solution but rather a new, tighter, and exclusive system of control. I believe the same leaders that keep most of our minds gorged on pop-nonsense and our bellies filled with big macs now want to seriously weed through the "herd" it has helped to create...and consequently propelled these groups to the power and riches they have.

They now want to restrain the "monster" they helped to create, and that has helped to create them. I believe that programs to reduce population have always been in affect and war is a small part of the agenda but in order for the NWO to be successful then yes, there would have to be serious loss of life on a grand scale.

You raised good points in your post and I'd have to ask you this, since clearly the NWO and it's elitist leaders will be making the decisions for the non-thinking masses and as a supporter of the idea you mentioned if they decided that you and your family had to march off to the death camp for the greater good would this be something you'd accept or are you planning to be a part of the beneficial group that the elitist decide are fit for continuation?

Of course I'm being a bit facetious, and I don't know concretely what methods any NWO would have to reduce the masses in the future that they hope to shape...but hypothetically if it came down to it, you may not know for sure where you would fit into the plan.

One thing you can be sure of is that your life will change dramatically.

- Lee



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 11:40 AM
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I don't quite get it, you watch some interview by Dr. Machu Kaku, and then assume the NWO is good, and then I throw some things at you to show you how it might not be, and apparently you've chosen to make ME "prove" or show "credible evidence" on the same things.

It just seems to me like you're picking and choosing what to believe.

Becoming one world and all united would be a good thing; however, it's the motives of the ones in charge of the whole thing that need to be questioned.

We're also talking about the extermination of 12 out of 13 people worldwide, and we don't know to what extent the survivors will be governed.



posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by DarkStar86
You have to understand for mankind to get to a point of these freedoms we have here in America to be universal we need to take great sacrafices. Maybe millions will die, maybe. I believe these "Elite" few that everyone talks about on here could be as large as a billion, or as small as 100 million.


For us to evolve as a species, yes, we will need to change our unbelievably wasteful lives. Do we need to have perpetual global warfare? No, we don't. Do we need death on a grandiose scale? No, we don't. It is possible to shrink a population without bullets and bombs, and manufactured diseases, and economically engineered starvation and poverty.

Oh and by the way, I am not American.


I have no problem with concentration the population down to good and productive and understand people of the world. It happens naturally all the time. With technology we disrupted it.


Firstly, I must ask a question I ask all of those out there who seem to advocate the deaths of billions of people, who are deemed 'non-productive': What would you think if the Elite felt your family, friends, and indeed, yourself, were 'unproductive'? Would you be happy to just lay down and die? Please, don't just answer that question... think about it long and hard. Imagine a scenario in your head where you lose everything, before eventually losing your life, then answer me.

Secondly, please elaborate on your comment regarding technology. Are you a technophobe? See, I must disagree: technology is ABSOLUTELY the best thing we have on our side. The problem is the human attitude towards it. Religion gets in the way of our technological advancement. So do areas of technology that aren't as essential as others, but recieve far greater attention. So does GREED, which brings me full circle back to THE NWO. They have surpressed technology to keep their captive markets. Oil and clean energy, and also pharmaceuticals being two major examples.

The coming of age of nanotechnology for example, will be a defining moment in the history of mankind... providing we don't kill ourselves first. Or, should I say, providing they don't kill us first.

Technology is not the enemy (aside from things like RFID), the Elitists are.



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