I knew 'Gridkeeper' was a fraud when I asked him a question on youtube and he banned me from posting on his vids. I encourage everyone to ask questions there, as that is where he is ALL the time. Jeff Rense is getting pounded with FACTS, and will be posting a retraction soon about Mr. Walson (same person) This guy is a total fraud. What he doesnt realize is that his participation in this field is OVER. He is in the same boat as Escamilla and all the rest. Never to be heard from again. Good Riddance!

Originally posted by Essan
If you photograph a UFO and want to know what it might be, then post it on ATS. You may not know what it is you've seen, but chances are, someone on ATS will. It's what we do well: find explanations for the seemingly inexplicable.
Thus, a mystery is solved. Ignorance denied

Really? Can you point me to one post where the 'experts' here at ATS have concluded that the photo is a GENUINE UFO?

All I see is 'photoshopped', "hoax', etc... and a lot of ridicule for anyone who dares to think they have captured one

Deny Ignorance is a two edged sword... we must also deny the ignorance of skeptics who are blinded by their version of reality and will do everything possible to discredit someone

Has anyone duplicated the FAST videos yet? How were they made? This has never been answered to my satisfaction. Maybe I missed it among the myriad of UFO threads at ATS. I have seen the allegations (proved at this point?) of theft of previous UFO pics

but I have never seen anyone describe what we are looking at in the FAST videos.

Whenever I have asked in the past it's always met with a diversion to some other part of the story.

WHAT is in the FAST videos?

Originally posted by zorgon
The witness did not wish to comment and the cell phone image was 'tampered' with (unless I read this wrong?)

The tampering is but one explanation for some oddities in the image.

Where the credibility of this image stands up is where Mark (Springer) set the image to the Chicago Tribune reporter who broke the story. He then got back to us that he showed it to every eyewitness he interviewed for his story, and everyone confirmed the craft, general location, and weather conditions. A photo with genuine witness corroboration, from multiple witnesses, is indeed rare.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Where the credibility of this image stands up is where Mark (Springer) set the image to the Chicago Tribune reporter who broke the story.

Well I will concede that you have pointed me to one incidence where this has been concluded to be a true UFO as in Unidentified Flying Object

Originally posted by stikkinikki
Has anyone duplicated the FAST videos yet? How were they made? This has never been answered to my satisfaction. Maybe I missed it among the myriad of UFO threads at ATS. I have seen the allegations (proved at this point?) of theft of previous UFO pics but I have never seen anyone describe what we are looking at in the FAST videos.
Whenever I have asked in the past it's always met with a diversion to some other part of the story. WHAT is in the FAST videos?

It's the FAST videos that got me into ATS. I'm a super sceptic when it comes to astronomical revelation and telescopic phenomena on YouTube. As an amateur astronomer with plenty of high tech kit, I asked Gridkeeper a lot of questions about the objects that John Walson was supposedly filming. All I got back was flim flam and side stepping. Subsequent videos showing Walson in discussion with a well respected astronomer convinced me of the hoax.

It was pretty clear to me that the objects shown are not located at great distances, but are fairly close to the telescope. It's related to depth of field effects and factors involving focus changes in some of the videos. Anyway, after a bit of experimentation, I believed I could reproduce, at least to my own satisfaction, what is actually going on. I believe Walson's technique involves taking videos of UFO models located maybe a hundred metres or so from his 'scope. The objects are viewed using a reflective or refractive panel, possibly a double-glazed window. There is no fancy high resolution/zoom camera. All it requires is a simple webcam. Webcams are very popular in amateur astronomy and produce surprising good astrophotographs and videos. They are easy to attach to popular 'scopes like Walson's Meade using commercially made adapters.

Anyway I set up the scope/webcam and used 'UFOs' made from paperclips and tinfoil. These models were only an inch long, because the scope/webcam combination produces very high magnifications. Walson's models are more complex and probably larger. People have said some of Walson's UFOs look like an old fashioned hand turned kitchen whisk. That maybe closer to the truth than realised! He must also be able to locate the models well away from his scope, possibly 100 meters or so. Because my back yard is quite small, I used an old mirror to provide more separation and to create the double image effect noted in the FAST videos. Viewing them through a double-glazed window would create a similar effect. The models were set up in daylight, then video'd after sunset using a flashlight for illumination. The video files were then edited and compiled with some simple specialFX and spooky music using an amateur video editing package.

You can see my results by searching on YouTube for 'CyranoAcrylate' - that's my YouTube handle. I added the SLOW logo for additional effect ('Shedding Light On Walson' perhaps). Bear in mind that these videos are my very first and possibly my only attempts at the technique. FAST have been doing this a lot longer and have access to more sophisticated editing gear than mine, but this simple experiment shows how easily you could make something unusual. I'm not claiming identical results, merely showing the principles used by FAST to generate their hoaxes. Note that the first video in my series states that it is indeed a hoax. This very fact seems to have kept its public rating low. The subsequent ones were left more or less unacknowledged and the response is different. An interesting result in itself.

WG3

And now Gridkeeper returns under a different name (Griddy) to continue to try to sell this crap.

Notice how he doesn't even mention his ban, just posts like nothing has happened.

I think the mods need top close this pile of thread before he returns to keep doing it.