Originally posted by Aronolac
Dear Out... and others,
Truth is a spiritual universe commodity.
This sounds very "religious" and pretty. I believe truth is explained quite simply as subjective. Each person experiences truth differently and
truth is relative from subject to subject. I believe there is no one truth, yet that everything is true and can be explained as such in some
No one is yet to explain to me what spiritual means and if it has to do with faith then count me out. I'd rather believe in what I can know, prove,
and logically ratiocinate than put my genuineness into an aimless emotion.
The pure energy, or combined energy the other poster refers to, points to a past state of being that was not shared with the universes of time and
space. The First Source and Center, besides being spirit, is also pure energy of every kind, and it is this pure energy within the First Source that
“He/It” used to split into two.
So are we now claiming there to be more than one universe? What do you mean by that? What exactly is a universe to you? There are two different types
of energy? The above quote really sounds like a Bible verse spoken by Jesus... now revised into a non-religious "spiritual" text. I think you know
what verse I mean? It sounds very nice and all, but no where does science say this nor does logic agree with it.
In the beginning, as they say, all energy was one, but upon the decision to diversify and create a time-space universe, the First Source,
separated that energy that was material out of the energy that was life (spiritual).
I've never thought of energy as being one, I've always thought of it as being 0. The rest of this sounds sci-fi fanciful. All energy is life energy.
Everything is living, everything is of life, everything plays a part of life and without any exact source of energy the existence or "universe" as
it is called would cease existing in the blink of an eyelash. So earlier you claimed the energy to be a spiritual commodity of universal truth. Now
there are two types of different energy? Woah, where are we going? Difficult to understand, yes. Because this is all unverified, it's just someone's
mind making something up.
The bifurcation of absolute energy (one unified and infinite energy in the First Source/Cause) came forth in two streams - spiritual and
material. The originals of this energy still circulate in the universe today. They can not be impure.
I think that anything is possible, except a beginning and an ending to energy, and anything that attempts to tell me otherwise will not sit pretty
with my mind.
You are correct in seeing that no “big bang” happened. It is highly complex to explain, but essentially the bifurcation of energy into matter and
spirit (the core of a universe and the Core of Spirit) were actualized into contactable places. Space and time were an actual endowment (or creative
consequence) of the choices made to separate the two energies. It did not require explosions or big bangs to get it going.
This sounds delicious again, but I'm afraid that's as far as it gets. As far as I'm concerned there was never a beginning or an end to anything.
The universe simply is the way that it is and it has always been that way. There aren't two different types of energies, there are two different
types of motives. There is positive and negative, this doesn't separate the energy, rather it connects it. There is no division of anything.
The universe is currently expanding for several reasons:
a) There is something called space respirations, which is the motion OF space much like our lungs do. The cosmological text explains that space
respires in response to its control mechanism in the core universe, and there is an outward going impulse of space for about 1 billion years (and we
are in that cycle now), and a 1 billion years of the seeming contraction of space.
So you are calling the universe a closed system that has reached equillibrium, entropy, and 100% efficiency? I think it's all in your heads, space
neither contracts nor extracts.
b) Space areas are pushing out to the edges of the universe. At the very edges there is no matter but a quiescence of thinly endowed space
area that is not reactive to the cosmic energies placed in space from the core universe. This phenomena is independent from the space respiration
described above. No living being could travel in it or live in the quiescence areas.
Can you point me to the person that traveled there to bring us back this amazing view and knowledge of quiescence space? Oh, it's like that God
dilemna... it exists, you'll just never know it.
Gotta have faith again, right? So now we have independence again, could you explain the force
that separates these two things? And once you do, are you sure it doesn't connect them?
c) ... “absolute direction” can be measured in space because instruments can be made to detect the higher pressure of space being pushed
out (North) from the lower pressure of space being taken in at the core (South). Our science is completely unaware of this mechanism.
And you happen to have stumbled upon the answers? To me they fall direly short. Little explanation, lots of faith, illogical jumps to irrational
conclusions and then spiritually and mysteriously manipulative and appeasing to the lost and weak mind.
A very difficult questions, but it is not entirely unanswerable. See the Answer to the first question or two that you asked. That will provide the
basis for a good answer.
So you don't really know anything and all of this could be made up?
No actual big bang has taken place. It really has more to do with the consequences of the division of the pure energy into the energies of spirit and
I think your definitions would sit better if you acknowledged that everything is pure energy. If not this will continue to sound contradictive. I
think instead of using division if you also or only used consummation, acclimation, coming together, conjoining, annexation etc... your theory would
Mind is designed to intervene to ask questions about what spirit is doing and how those actions condition the world (matter) we live
My mind doesn't ask questions, it merely observes and learns. Scientists ask the universe what it is doing, the universe entails every aspect of its
parts. Why you continue to state there is some higher and holier spirit is a fallacy. Everything that everything (everywhere) is doing is what
conditions the world that we live in.
Mind is also a consequence of energy being divided into two separate realities and to give a frame of reference for our lives.
Divided? I don't understand separation because it is impossible, there is only connection.
Best of luck in your examination of life!
Thank you, Ron! I'm contently awaiting proof for any of this. I think luck is an irresponsible tool.