Microbiologists: Murder, Suicide, Accident, All three or other?

Jim,

I'm wondering if you have a view you could share re the hi number & bizarre deaths of dozens of Biologists of different specialties in the last few years?

One of the spookiest for me being the death of Harvard University molecular biologist, Don C. Wiley, who's rental car was found parked on a Memphis, TN bridge, 11/16/01. The body found 12/21/01, three hundred miles down the Mississippi River.

For ATS people wishing to read the background on the case:
www.devvy.com...

Good find.

I read a similar report a few years ago, about the numerous deaths of biologists and virologists in recent years. Some claim that the number of diseases that will effect humans is growing, and allowed to grow, to ensure population control. They also claim governments are killing off these experts to keep anyone from interfering with the population control too.

[edit on 15-9-2007 by DJMessiah]

Well, as far as the case you mentioned, it doesn't sound that "spooky". It seems to me that the guy parked his car on the bridge, jumped into the river and the current managed to carry his body some 300 miles in over a month's time. Nothing fishy there, just the work of the Mighty Mississippi!

In case it wasn't obvious, I was just pulling your leg!

I remember reading about this long list of scientists disappearing over recent years, and some of the ways in which they died were downright freaky! Maybe its just a gigantic coincidence, but if these lists are accurate, I think it's a statistical improbability. At the same time, I think we need to consider the possibility that a good number of these deaths were in fact as they appeared to be- suicides. Perhaps the grief of knowing what they knew and not being able to do anything about it led them to take their own lives. Or maybe threats against their loved ones by the powers that be led them to take their own lives in order to prevent any reprisals against their loved ones. Who knows?

But you pose a great question and I look forward to hearing what Mr. Marrs feels.

I think the most questionable death of an eminent scientist has to be that of Dr. David Kelly. I'd be interested in anyones thoughts on that.

some are murders - committed by various persons for a multitude of reasons

some are accidents - yes scientists have accidents too

some are suicides - yes sicientists commit suicide too

attepting to lump all the deaths of scientists in a given feild under one umbrella conspiracy of " govt malfeasance " is just plain daft

statistically , the lists are invalid - as the scope of thier criteria is so broad , and the timeline so long that a " suspicious deaths " list could be drawn up for almost any feild

if you actually look at the murder / accident / suicide rates per 1000 in any feild i would be supprised if rerserech scientists show any abnormal trends

some feilds do have higher levels than others , the number of serving / ex soldiers who die / are seriously injured in civilian sports accidents [ even discounting training mishaps ] is shockingly high

also the ommisions of fact , and innuendo of these lists is very disengenious , they use usch leading phrases like " declared a suicide " to sow the seeds of doubt and confusion , hinting that it was not really a suicide , but presernting no evidence that it was not

reply to post by ignorant_ape

---

I could probably buy accident, suicide and the run-of-the-mill-murder on most deaths, and possibly a few of these. But one of them stands out among the rest for me. That would be the supposed suicide of the Tennessee scientist. Nothing about his death suggests suicide to me. I've had two suicides in my immediate family, and believe me, there is a history there. (of depression or trauma) when a person commits suicide.



[edit on 9/17/2007 by janasstar]

Howdy Dallas,

When you add some two dozen dead scientists and engineers who had worked on the Strategic Defense Initiative “Star Wars” program to the 80 some odd dead microbiologists, you end up with more than 100 dead specialists all involved in our most Top-Secret projects.

To me this goes beyond mere chance as I am certain any insurance actuary would confirm. What I fear is that some hidden non-governmental power desires to make use of our most exotic technologies and does not want to worry about some scientist or engineer with a conscience coming forward to alert the public as to what is happening.

The evidence for the human fabrication of the AIDS virus is quite compelling, if not overwhelming. Yet this news has been smothered by conflicting accounts and theories presented in the corporate-controlled mass media.

Picture what would happen if a sudden outbreak of contagion such as Bird Flu began to decimate whole populations and someone stepped forward to reveal that it had originated in some government lab. Or what if “alien” spaceships suddenly appeared in the skies and someone got on CNN and revealed that he or she had worked on holograph technology for the government? To effectively control a previously-secret technology, you would have to get rid of any loose ends that might reveal its true origins.

Jim Marrs

Do you happen to have a link to the report? I'm actually very interested in verifiable numbers of dead scientists so if you have the exact figures just U2U me. Thanks.

If you are correct, maybe a change of profession is in order for me.

[edit on 17-9-2007 by Jazzerman]

Mr. Marrs,
Thanks for your input into this conspiracy.
After your remark about contaminating the population with something like the bird flu, I am reminded of a book by another famous author.
Have you read The Stand by Stephen King?


For those new to ATS, there have been discussions about these deaths over the years. Clcik here to get some background
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by DJMessiah

---

Hi DJMessiah,

Population control's an angle but the demise of some of the top notch scientists in their fields is something I don't think's been answered from a Federal Invvestigation level. Seems to have been left in the hands of local Law Enforcement.

The other case that comes to mind was the bioligist set on fire and locked in the trunk of a car, ie:
_________

External Source:

"On January 7, 2005, Jeong H. Im, retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia and primarily a protein chemist, died of multiple stab wounds to the chest before firefighters found in his body in the trunk of a burning car on the third level of the Maryland Avenue Garage. MUPD with the assistance of the Columbia Police Department and Columbia Fire Department are conducting a death investigation of the incident. A person of interest described as a male 6 62 wearing some type of mask possible a painters mask or drywall type mask was seen in the area of the Maryland Avenue Garage."
__________

It was so deliberate according to the report I had wondered if it was not sanctioned?

Dallas

reply to post by Rasputin13

---

Rasputin13,

Dunno if I feel the same about the deaths being suicides?, though I'm not disputing some might be. The case example posted below to DJMessiah for instance.

_____

mirageofdeceit,

That was a case covered in depth by the major news media, it caught my attention. It started out as a suspected suicide.

External Source:

"Dr. David Kelly—the biological warfare weapons specialist at the heart of the continuing political crisis for the British government—had links to three other top microbiologists whose deaths have left unanswered questions.

The 59-year-old British scientist was involved with ultra secret work at Israel’s Institute for Biological Re search. Israeli sources claim Kelly met institute scientists several times in London in the past two years."
I'll provide the 2006 link at the bottom of this post.
_____

ignorant_ape,

Yes of course, but my thought was not the suicides but the mysterious deaths especially since the attack on the US Congress re Anthrax. Was it better to kill all the scientific-suspects to satisfy:

1. a message sent to future over-ambitious scientists:

- re deliberate use of biological weapons they have access to or can formulate outside the government connected lab?

- re prevent selling new technical stuff to foreign Spies respresenting a variety of Countries?

2. Wipe-out the trail to some scientist to ensure secrecy of some new biological weapon ?

____

janasstar,

I think we may be referring to the same case:

ES:
"...Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during a business trip to Memphis, Tennessee. He had just bought tickets to take his son to Graceland the following day..."
____

DontTreadOnMe,

The Stand, S King:
www.imdb.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

Wik: "The Stand is a post-apocalyptic Horror/Science Fiction novel by Stephen King originally published in 1978. It re-works the scenario in King’s earlier short story, "Night Surf" (included in the short story collection Night Shift). It is widely hailed by critics and fans as one of his best novels.[1]

The novel was re-released as The Stand: The Complete & Uncut Edition in 1990. King restored some text originally cut for brevity, added and revised sections, changed the setting of the novel from 1980 to 1990, and updated a few pop culture references accordingly. This edition featured art by Berni Wrightson.

A TV miniseries based on The Stand and scripted by King himself was released in 1994..."
____________________________________

More recent information regarding the subject matter that could find is:

A Career In Microbiology Can Be Harmful To Your Health (2006)
www.greatdreams.com...

Mysterious deaths of Scientists, Microbiologists and UFO Researchers 2005
and
www.combat-diaries.co.uk...

Dallas

Jim Marrs,

Yes, seems loose ends in secret technologies are a consideration, especially when it falls under what seems so easily categorized as National Security. The sort of, "we can do things with you just for having access to your-own knowledge and things you invented or are involved, within the governments Top Secret system.

So many fields can be hazardous to your health that has everything to do with the professional field itself except the danger is brought to you outside the lab.

Dallas

well a fraction of those who believe this could have something to do w/ biological attacks seem to think the chemtrails predispose people's lungs to "fusing" with the flu's viral envelope or something like that.

I believe chelation therapy w/ DMSO was discussed as a possible tactic to fight it off (w/ collodial silver). I would like to MAKE IT CLEAR i don't think this will actually happen.

BUT it is always wise to have a back up plan to give yourself an option when eventually one of these theory's turns out to be true. And i am fairly certain "something" is going to happen soon enough that will shake things up wether, economically, militarily, or other.

What are your thoughts on the death of Dr. David Kelly immediately prior to the (second) Iraq war?

[edit on 2-10-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

There are a ton of older posts here at ATS on this subject with a lot of good detail and breakdowns concerning the murders. CHECK IT OUT HERE

Use the ATS Search Engine, it works.

[edit on 10/2/2007 by infinite8]

To all,

There are both good thoughts and questions on this thread. Plausible deniability is the name of the game.

If a person is pushed off a high building or bridge and no one sees it, only suicide or accident can be considered in any verdict.

Likewise, if someone is strong enough and willful enough, they can smother someone with a pillow and no autopsy will determine cause of death.

If someone has access to a death-dealing but previously unknown drug or cancer-causing agent, again there will be no real determination of death.

And, of course, people die in vehicle accidents every day. A slight bump at the proper time and place is all that is required regardless of the novels and films about remote electronic triggers, etc.

Contrary to popular opinion -- due mostly to watching TV programs like CSI (crime scene investigation) -- murder is relatively easy by anyone with the knowledge, resources and desire.

Jim Marrs