posted on Sep, 17 2007 @ 10:00 AM
Right, well I never claimed Einstein was devoutly religious.
But that quote does not say he doesn't believe, I think you people are adding a little too much extra meaning there. It says at the end of the
paragraph that he was inspired by the structure of everything that exists, or as he put it, the structure of the world. That means he very well
could've held the idea that there is a Creator, but he does not interfere in physical reality at all. His trademark would still be on his creations,
and the way I read that quote is that Einstein was motivated to find that trademark if you will. Or to explain how everything came to be, kind of like
how we go over this very topic so much looking for an answer.
So madness, you will argue against the concept of a God existing forever, or outside of time (forever in either case), yet you think all matter has
existed forever? If matter can exist forever, a God could exist forever as well.
I disagree with you on the matter bit, I dont think all matter which exists has always existed. I'll show you why.
Take our current timeframe, look at the Universe. Then, rewind it billions and billions and billions of years. You will see everything, matter,
getting closer together as we subtract the time. Eventually, it'll all pack itself into a "Singularity", which is what "Banged" at the beginning,
spitting all the matter that has ever existed out of itself. One huuuuuuge, super massive black hole of sorts.
The problem is that the matter can't just "be there" in the singularity. Thats like saying God and the Angels are just "there" and always have
been but have no explanation whatsoever for them. If we look at science, the nature of a black hole is that it will trap matter, keep trapping it and
pushing it into the singularity of matter.
Well if all the matter which ever exists was all in one singularity at one point, why is it that matter even NOW is being sucked into various black
holes while the larger pieces -- planets and heavenly bodies -- are moving further and further away, or expanding as they say. All the matter would
have to implode back onto itself, then another bang would create another Universe, then it would get sucked back into the hole, then again, and again,
etc. Plus, this means all the current black holes which trap matter would have to be sucked in as well, can black holes eat black holes? I dont
But this doesn't explain the origins of the Universe, nor does it explain the origins of the first matter. You can have that back and forth effect,
expand and retract, but there still has to be a starting point. A starting point of all starting points, which before it, there was NOTHING. If you
say No, there was never nothing, you're fooling yourself because there has to be.
If someone proved the accordion effect as I call it, this singular black hole spitting all the matter in existence from its' singularity, just to
have it lose the battle and get sucked back into the black hole again, I would buy it. But even then! I would say, what happened before the VERY FIRST
time. Theres always a first time, and before it, theres always nothing. Therefore there had to be nothing at one point, now there is something, and
while all our somethings, matter, is now stuck here, it had to be created through a process or processes. Just like there is a DNA code in our cells
that says "Build the human to this specification", there must also be something equal to DNA for the Universe, telling it to "create matter, spit
it all out, expand, retract, repeat from step 2 onward" . Then when does it stop repeating though? The matter never goes away right?
Theres space on the kitchen counter where you're about to make a sandwich at, like you do every single day, with the same lunch meats and cheeses,
and you do that in the same spot every single day at the exact same time without failure. Yet, there was a time that your kitchen and your home
didn't even exist there! Sure the matter existed in the form of building materials, but if you rewind enough time, those building materials came off
of trees which grew out of the ground in a space which there was yet again nothing. But anyway, when the home is destroyed, there will again be
a time where no sandwich is made there and no kitchen will even exist.
Apply this to the Universe and you will still see that the building materials would need to be grown out of the ground, then made to form, to build
the house. Even if its a house that is so advanced, it will always stand, for infinity, it would still need to be placed, built, and there-on it would
stand. If our Universe will always exist, it still has a time far enough back where it didn't exist, even if it is currently in a perpetual state.
There had to be a creation for the matter to exist.
[edit on 9/17/2007 by runetang]