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At The Brink of War

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posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:28 PM
reply to post by traderonwallst

Hey my friend Trader, I agree with the death by cab statement. I was in NY about a month before the towers were hit, was staying at the 4 seasons. i was walking down the side walk and this NYer told me to look out I was about to die. LOL i looked to my right and this cab wizzed by barly missing me. SO yes id agree with the cab statement.

Take care

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:47 PM
Yep, here we go. Remember the 'Axis of Evil" speech? Let's see....Iraq, Iran and North Korea. We all know about Iraq and now US Intelligence is linking North Korea and Syria. I'm sure Iran will be tied to this as well in some fashion. So, there ya go. Looks like the feces is about to hit the rotating oscillator.

[edit on 13-9-2007 by Freenrgy2]

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:53 PM

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
Looks like the feces is about to hit the rotating oscillator.

Well put, my friend... well put!


posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:59 PM
This thread has hit home with me and I must say I had chills reading it.
Sorry for the one liner.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Woulfe

Originally posted by mecheng
What's TPTB? Thanks.

TPTB = The Powers That Be

A.K.A. Those in charge of everything.

A.K.A. The Illuminati.

A.K.A. The Freemasons.

A.K.A. What ever they'er called this week.

I am not a fear monger at all, I am looking through the recent and not so recent and possibly soon to be political movements that indicate, given our past, that the world is ripe and ready for another massive military, economic and cultural clashing.

Looking through everything with rational eyes is the key, not to jump to conclusions that, while sound horrifically thrilling like a movie plot, are completely irrational.

For instance, this man is claiming the Powers That Be are "Illuminati" which has no foundation that it exist.

Freemasons, I would not doubt that an elite banker somewhere pulling the strings is a Mason, wouldn't surprise me at all, but there is a difference between an individual projecting his personal ideas, goals and making his own gains to an institution or body of people under one or many fundamental goals working for the same outcome. Irrational to believe Masonry is causing this. If you knew anything of Masonry the ideas being perpetrated by our government deviate from our own teachings.

The ones in charge. Yes, that would sum up the Powers That Be, which would include high ranking military officials.. its no secret in 1962 JFK stopped our top military personnel from waging all out war on Cuba and the Soviet Union, and as a result he made many enemies, most likely leading to his early death.

The military would believe in going about it in a military fashion, hoping to use its resources without politicians running the show.. history again shows us often the military and citizen leaders clash on ideas when it comes to problem solving.

The bankers, the investors, the oil companies, the weapon contractors, construction contractors ect, ect, ect ... these guys gain the most from wars, and no doubt are pushing for war with Iran..... because controlling Iranian oil wells not only means only American and British companies get the contracts..... but also who Iran trades with. For instance, if we so choose we no longer allow Iran (once under our control) to trade oil to Russia, China or any where else we make a new enemy. Taking out Iran will also make, most likely, Saudi Arabia the military power of the Mid East. Maybe we will attack them to, but our dealings with them are already very, very beneficial.

Politicians, while some may benefit from the war, some wont, and the minority party will continue to appear as if they have no say in the government. The executive branch benefits most of all, going to war without congressional approval is possible, Bush can deploy to a new theater for 90 days + which is far long enough to destroy Iranian resistance from air and sea. Then chaos breaks out in Iran and the UN needs to stabilize it, America being the occupying force of the UN (See Korea, Kossovo, Iraq War 1, ect) will then occupy and take control of Iran for humanitarian reasons. Completely going around the Congress, easiest way to get in, easiest way to take control of all aspects of Iranian government and build it, like Iraq. Its what I would do any ways.

I don't think we will wake up tomorrow to nuclear blast in America, and I don't think we will be at war this weekend, and I know for a fact America will never exchange nuclear weapons with another Nuclear Power, But I DO think that the tightening of tensions, will not be allowed to go on for another 20 years, no, long before that I think there will be a war, its the most probable outcome, and it will be a horrific war when the powers of the world finally come to war.

From the evidence we see in our daily lives, I would assume that long before we see peace, we will have to go through hell to get there.

[edit on 9/13/2007 by Rockpuck]

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:10 PM
reply to post by Rockpuck
I think everybody is being just a little paranoid, but I wouldnt be surprised...lets just hope congress can make the decision for once. Not that thats necessarily a good thing.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:12 PM
good thread here is my question

with the FEDeral reserve bank looking set to cut intrest rates, (to help the financial sector and ease mortgage lenders problems) which would make foreigners who invest in our country (and prop it up economically) rather upset (because the dollar would fall in respect to foreign exchange rates) and thus as their u.s investments/assets would be earning less returns . in relatiation the foreigners may threaten a run out of the dollar, causing intrest rates to soar and markets to suffer.

would it be possible we will strike IRAN and that in doing so, the strait of hormuz will be severely impeded in regards to it's functioning to supply world oil, and that OIL PRICES will shoot up, creating a RAPID DEMAND for DOLLARS.

which would make it then possible for the fed to cut intrest rates and allow the financial banksters to continue their global casino's unimpeeded, without the threat of foreigner's and foreign central banks running out of a weakening dollar BECAUSE of an oil "shortage" which at the least will be seen as an excuse to HIKE OIL PRICES and thus provide central banks with a INCREASE in their need to buy more dollars to pay their energy bills.


and as long as they don't try and take the contracts that the chineese had w/ iran, then china should make more profits seeing the higher oil prices will make their companies more money as well.

of course the united states and the rest of the world would go into a deep recession for the increased oil prices, the oil companies would profit what does anyone thing about this reasoning.

consumers would also feel the squeeze from higher oil and energy prices but since these aren't recorded in the fed's CPI index they could still be seen as acting responsibly when cutting rates. and also most mortgage rates aren't tied to the federal funds rate, so ARM's would still reset, and credit card intrest rates would still go UP since consumers would have less discretionary income and have trouble meeting their bills and credit payments.

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posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:14 PM
I would agree with those posters who do not believe the major players are as keen on nuclear war as they may appear, hence a lot of hard talk, a lot of rhetoric and no action to back it up. But you have to include the X factor in this scenario, which in this case would be a player that is involved who would be just crazy enough to launch a nuclear weapon. Yep, if you guessed that I was am referring to the little dictator from Iran you get 100+ bonus points.

While G.W., Putin, the Chinese govt and others are mainly interested in securing financial profits and standing in the world community, the Iranian government is quite serious about it's threat to eliminate Israel once and for all. The fire is fed by religious fanaticism and a determination to rid the middle east of what they see as zionist invaders.

My point is the U.S. may not truly be looking for a serious clash, especially a nuclear one, but it may not be up to us when all of the dust settles. If Iran were to launch a nuke into down town Tel Aviv it would trigger instant retaliation by the Israeli military, who would launch back not only at Iran but most likely Syria as well. This would in turn force the US to become involved, which would mean instant obliteration for Iran. This could very well bring about a nuclear detonation here in the states either via a mini nuke or a sub launch off of our coast by Russia, possibly China. And tada, we are all in the middle of a nuclear winter. Ahmadinejad strikes me as the type of man who would be insane enough to strike first, if for no other reason than to achieve religious martyr status.

Let us all hope Ahmadinejad is more bark than bite, or we could all be in real trouble.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:18 PM
reply to post by cpdaman

No, I don't see this as an intent of the government, while it would benefit the Fed Reserve for a short while, America cannot pay $6 a gallon, we would financially collapse.. imagine the cost of heating a home?

Remember that while prices of food, gas, oil, MILK which I have no idea why is so damn expensive, all these things rising in price yet our wages are staying stagnet. Spending more, making the same .. I believe the fed will let the rates stay the same, look at the markets, they are doing fine today. War with Iran, the economic fall out on the little guy will be the biggest set back, and may even be the only reason we have not gone to war yet.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:24 PM
as far as i understand the amount of dissent in the military/DOD is high and many are about fed up with the cheney led agression in the military and world policing

and cheney and the bush neo-cons are willing to collapse the united states economy if it means more oil contracts in iran and to more easily bring about a NAU which would help them secure some more oil from CANADA. NO the rest of the "GOV't" doesn't agree with this but the neo-cons are in charge

then the fed can cut rates w/o the fear of foreign creditors (who keep the financial sector casino going) running away b/c they will need to increase their holding of dollar assets in the foreign cent. banks because the cost of higher oil will demand it

cutting rates boost inflation pressures so that is another reason why dollar reserve currency being strengthened will cause other country's who need to buy dollars to cover oil /energy increases will pick up some of the inflation

as long as the sheeple can rationalize that is it justified in some way, and that's why another false flag is necessary

look in 1973 oil prices SOARED and then inflation followed . yes the middle class will be wiped out , then other business will make money off the slave labor of american's in fema camps.

govt's always choose inflation throughout history because it is a form of debt-deflation! this also secured the dollars role as a reserve currency

things in history that have worked by gov't and business will repeat

does anyone else see this?

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posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:29 PM
Great post. War is coming, war is here. It looks like the world powers are getting ready for all out war. Fighting in Kansas kind of war. We are in trouble and if there is a God we need his help out of this mess. That is what I pray for. I love my country, but after thinking long and hard about what this all means I fear for humanity. I blame this on Islam, I dont care which way you spin it.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:33 PM

Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
Great post. War is coming, war is here. It looks like the world powers are getting ready for all out war. Fighting in Kansas kind of war. We are in trouble and if there is a God we need his help out of this mess. That is what I pray for. I love my country, but after thinking long and hard about what this all means I fear for humanity. I blame this on Islam, I dont care which way you spin it.

are you crazy how can you be on ats and talk like that, your a racist.Its the fascist neo conservative NWO Illuminati that are the ones to blame, and people like you!!!

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:46 PM

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Dan5647
U.S. develops 14-ton super bomb, bigger than Russian vacuum bomb
FOX News says top U.S. officials pushing for Iran strike

Two new developments that could relate to this subject.

The source is questionable.

It's been used on ATS before, the news is not reliable.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:06 PM
I didn't mean that litteraly when I said "Illuminati" & "Freemasons" I was just useing them as an sample for "Secret Sect Du Jour" which is why I called them "What ever they're called this week" and I din't say anything about a Nuke War takeing place to "Cull" the 75% population deal.

Remember it's about blood sacrafices, nukeing folks won't give you that, that's just silly, it will be a conventional war just like any other, the point is that they still need some of us for something then cannon fodder.

These "People" if you can call them that even, are sick and twisted and will stop at nothing to achive their goals, whatever that goal may be.

The chess board is all set up, what's the next move ?

[edit on 9/13/2007 by Woulfe]

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:07 PM
President Dwight Eisenhower famously referred to the "military-industrial complex" in his farewell address.

"A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Dwight D. Eisenhower January 17th, 1961

From Wikipedia,
The term military-industrial complex (MIC) refers to a close and symbiotic relationship among a nation's armed forces, its private industry, and associated political and commercial interests. In such a system, the military is dependent on industry to supply material and other support, while the defense industry depends on government for revenue.

Sound familiar?

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:07 PM
blood sacrifices?!?!

How the hell did we get on to that subject

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:13 PM

Originally posted by infinite
blood sacrifices?!?!

How the hell did we get on to that subject

Well you don't think they'll spill they'er own blood for this war do you ?

They'll stay in their comfy mansions and whatnot while the ordinary folks fight their stupid silly war for oil.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Nyorai
reply to post by omi_kron_gravitron

I have noticed that several US political leaders have left/ resigned. Karl Rove as well as Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have resigned in a very short period of time (anyone know if there is a connection between the two?). Also: White House Press Secretary Tony Snow resigns 14 September 2007.

Hi all. This is my first post... I have been a lurker for a while, but decided to join. (And am very happy to see text-typing is not allowed here.) Anyway, in response to US political leaders. I am not sure about Rove, but the head monkey must be missing that half of his brain. I think Gonzales left because of the hearings scandal, and how bad he looked- he would have been a liability to keep on, so they let him "resign." And Tony Snow, who used the excuse that he wanted to make more money also said that he has cancer- and if you have seen him lately he does not look well. In this case I do not blame him for leaving.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Woulfe
Well you don't think they'll spill there own blood for this war do you ?

Of course not.

But when members start talking about blood sacrifices, I think we are taking a walk down the path of cults and satanists which ends up in David Icke land

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