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reply posted on 18-9-2007 @ 05:09 AM by chinawhite

Daedalus3,

I sure that before and wondered how some IAF Jaguar's got pass the supposed "invincible" USN airdefences. Do you have any information on the tactics they employed?

reply posted on 18-9-2007 @ 06:41 AM by StellarX

Originally posted by Tonka
Seeing you quote a comment from Rickover reminds me of a comment he made in the 80's where I read it and the exact wording escapes me now but
from memory it was at a congressional hearing and he stated at the time he would much rather be in the Soviet navy because he didnt like to lose!!

Not that i think Rickover did much to improve the navy , or the people serving in it, but i also remember him saying that he would much rather fight with the Soviet navy than with his own...

This is not a 'source' i would normally post but i have lost the other reference to the reference for this quote:

At that time, we were not ready for war. Admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt, former Navy Chief of Operations, said at the Australian Naval Institute Seminar in February, 1979: “It is the professional judgment of senior officials in the United States that our Navy has only a 35% probability of winning a conventional naval war against the Soviet Union. Our military knows this, and so does theirs. About the only people who do not know it are the general public in the United States and Australia. Nor do they know that a nuclear exchange in 1981 on present trends would result in about 160 million dead in the United States.”

www.the7thfire.com...

I have checked a significant majority of the claims on that page, and their scarily accurate, but i wont vouch for it's general integrity so lets stick to this specific quote.

Stellar

reply posted on 18-9-2007 @ 07:21 AM by Tonka

reply to post by StellarX

Although I do agree he did some funny things and a lot of good officers lost there careers due to what might seem the pure whimsy of Hyman Rickover, you cant doubt his success in the area of nuclear power and its associated safety record. From what I've read it seems that in the end it was the shipyards and private contractors that had him ousted, when you look at it, it seemed he was the only one keeping the bastards honest so to speak. Here is a link to speech he gave some columbia university students in 1982 on leadership. Love or hate the guy its pretty inspirational stuff, makes you wish you could sit down and pick the blokes brain for an hour or two!

Rickover Speach

Take the time to read it, if you really hate this bloke it might give you some insight into the man behind the mask so to speak.

Enjoy.

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reply posted on 18-9-2007 @ 02:16 PM by StellarX

reply to post by Tonka

Hate is a personal thing and since i don't know him... All Rickover in my opinion achieved was expanding on what was already there and since what was already there were in my opinion not what was required to win, well you know how i feel.

The US naval service expanded at a time when the USSR had already achieved the type of strategic dominance that a hundred extra US submarines could simply not undo. Some have also suggested that his focus on creating a 'safe' navy resulted in men being selected to keep machines running smoothly instead of focusing their attention on becoming adept at fighting their ships.

EDIT: Will try to get to the speech but both Clinton and Hitler, like most other lia rs before them, had some pretty 'inspiring speeches.

EDIT: Turns out neither Clinton or Hitler said anything quite so lucid..... Not sure if i would like to work for him but i think i would like him working for me!

Stellar

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reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 03:22 AM by Daedalus3

Originally posted by chinawhite
Daedalus3,

I sure that before and wondered how some IAF Jaguar's got pass the supposed "invincible" USN airdefences. Do you have any information on the tactics they employed?

Your guess is as good as mine..
will do some local research on this..

My guess is they flew low, flew straight, popped up for radar lock on the target and the executed a simulated Sea Eagle launch at ~100km..

I think these carrier kills have to be taken with a pinch of salt though..

reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 05:17 AM by Tonka

Originally posted by Daedalus3

Your guess is as good as mine..
will do some local research on this..

My guess is they flew low, flew straight, popped up for radar lock on the target and the executed a simulated Sea Eagle launch at ~100km..

I think these carrier kills have to be taken with a pinch of salt though..

Agree with you Daedalus3, it should be taken with a pinch of salt unless it was a sub, then its a foregone conclusion!!!

reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 06:27 AM by Daedalus3

Originally posted by Tonka
Agree with you Daedalus3, it should be taken with a pinch of salt unless it was a sub, then its a foregone conclusion!!!

Oh there were some wicked subs in the exercise alright..
USN LA class SSN Chicago for instance..

No IN Kilo class subs though..

I will try and start a decent thread on Malabar 07 thie weekend. Lots to be learnt here. I believe the HMAS Adelaide took part as well..

EDIT: Quoting woes!

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reply posted on 19-9-2007 @ 07:04 AM by Tonka