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Researchers find evidence of Noah's Biblical flood?

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posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 06:07 PM
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source from webindia123.com



A team of researchers from Tel Aviv University and the non-profit research and education organization, EcoOcean has claimed to have found a site off the coast of Turkey whether the great flood of Noah, as described in the Bible, took place.


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"There was no doubt that it was a fast flood - one that covered an expanse four times the size of Israel. It might not have been Noah, as it is written in the Bible, but we believe people in that region had to build boats in order to save their animals from drowning. We think that the ones who survived were fishermen - they already had the boats," Weil said.





any thoughts about this?




posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 07:23 PM
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my thoughts: a big flood happened, no connection to the story.

big floods happen, they don't have to be connected to a myth.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 08:14 PM
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It's hard to find a culture without a flood story........Noah is the real deal.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 07:25 AM
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How this constitutes evidence of a worlwide flood I don't know. Plus it has been well known that this area was subjected to fast flooding in the past (Check out Bob Ballard and the Black Sea - National Geographic done a TV show on it).

So just how does this constitute proof a worldwide flood and the existence of Noah and his ark??


G



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 07:33 AM
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Noah's tale was taken from an older account of Gildamesh. The global flood may have been big deal to the people involved, but in reality, was a local event involving the Black Sea region. This was their entire world at that time.

It is interesting that there are many flood epics in most of the world's numerous cultures and societies. I often wonder about timelines of man's migration across the planet and how this account has been spread. The timelines of both events don't really fit together if you look into them.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 08:19 AM
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it's hard to find 2 cultures that have the same flood story..

it's also hard to find a culture that doesn't have a "stealing fire from the gods" story...
read up on the works of joseph campbell before you make the assumption that something happened because of common myth



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 08:21 AM
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It's my belief that they have found the exact location. yes, Noah was real, the flood was real, the ark was real. it was all real! why is that so hard to understand? would you believe in 1000 years that they had a battleship full of weapons if you never lived to see it?



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 08:26 AM
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Always something is real that is why the bible is so popular, but to point out one specific myth to fact and events even adding the names of the participants of that myth is what becomes tricky.

But if you only believe in the bible account and disregard other sources of historical accounts then is only as real as what you personal believes tells you.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 08:30 AM
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This is from the article itself, that claims It may have a been a flash flood but not necessarily Noah's flood.


"There was no doubt that it was a fast flood - one that covered an expanse four times the size of Israel. It might not have been Noah, as it is written in the Bible, but we believe people in that region had to build boats in order to save their animals from drowning. We think that the ones who survived were fishermen - they already had the boats," Weil said
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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by jedimiller
 


Always something is real that is why the bible is so popular, but to point out one specific myth to fact and events even adding the names of the participants of that myth is what becomes tricky.

But if you only believe in the bible account and disregard other sources of historical accounts then is only as real as what you personal believes tells you.





but why deny the facts? it's all there in front of you..all the evidence is there, why is it so hard to accept for some people. obviously, there was a flood, someone had to have a boat and save people..his name could have been richard, noah or whatever you want to call him. but it did happen in history..that has nothing to do with being religious. I find that there are people who love history but deny the history in the bible because they consider it to be religious so they back away from it. the bible is the best history book out there and it contains a lot of real and interesting facts..and I don't have to be a catholic or christian to believe them.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Sun Matrix
 


it's hard to find 2 cultures that have the same flood story..

it's also hard to find a culture that doesn't have a "stealing fire from the gods" story...
read up on the works of joseph campbell before you make the assumption that something happened because of common myth



Campbell is completely clueless. No wonder you're confused.

I agree about the "Stealing fire" story. It's everywhere........I wonder why.

Can you say.......SUN god........Babylon.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 09:06 AM
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Big floods happen all over the world all the time.

Assuming the Noah tale is based on earlier Mesopotamian stories then we should be looking for a severe wind storm that coincidently also caused flooding.

However, over time many different flood events might well get merged into one - for example, whilst retelling the tale of the great flood that affected the tribe's great, great, great grandfathers, the storyteller may well add details from a more recent flood, perhaps even one experienced by some of his audience.

By the time such tales are written down, it can be very difficult determining which elements derive from which event.

So it's possible this particular flood may well be enshrined to some extent in some local flood legends, including perhaps even the Biblical one, but it's not necessary 'The' flood by any means.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 09:13 AM
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I believe it's GilGamesh



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by jedimiller
It's my belief that they have found the exact location. yes, Noah was real, the flood was real, the ark was real. it was all real! why is that so hard to understand? would you believe in 1000 years that they had a battleship full of weapons if you never lived to see it?
And just which location are you referring since, like every other christian relic, there seems to be more than one?? And yes I think I would believe that in 1000 years they would have battleships full of weapons - Hell thay may even have spaceships full of weapons. It is quite easy for us humans to imagine anything.

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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Hendu
I believe it's GilGamesh



I do to.....Gilgamesh is Nimrod of Babylon.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by Hendu
I believe it's GilGamesh



I do to.....Gilgamesh is Nimrod of Babylon.


Hi there, I've been suspecting this myself recently. Can I ask what lead you to this conclusion?

There are a couple of bits that don't fit though; Nimrod is supposed to have been the one to have built the Tower of Babel (i believe), however the Gilgamesh myth doesn't make a mention of it, to my knowledge. Any thoughts, or is there something I've missed?

Cheers

Carl



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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yes I believe there are too many accounts of a great flood perhaps the names have changed but the circumstances haven't,I am a believer



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by Hendu
I believe it's GilGamesh



I do to.....Gilgamesh is Nimrod of Babylon.


Hi there, I've been suspecting this myself recently. Can I ask what lead you to this conclusion?

There are a couple of bits that don't fit though; Nimrod is supposed to have been the one to have built the Tower of Babel (i believe), however the Gilgamesh myth doesn't make a mention of it, to my knowledge. Any thoughts, or is there something I've missed?

Cheers

Carl



I drew the conclusion from running across thousands and thousands of bits of information.

Example, Gilgamesh builds a city by cutting down the cedars of Lebonon(we can pick this up in the Bible also) with the help of the sun god, Shamash. (Shamash is Baal)


To get a picture you merely put all the pieces together and a picture forms.

Gilgamesh is just another one of Nimrods name. After the tower of Babel there was a confusion of language that spread people all over the world with the same story with different names. For instance Osiris of Egypt is also Nimrod.

There are countless names.......and all are Nimrod. Nimrod at his death becomes Baal in the form of the sun. That''s why there are sun gods all over the earth.......The Light Bringer.


Zeus, Jupiter, Mars, Marduk, Molech, Dagon, Apollo, Neptune, Poisiden, Atlas, Pan, Promethius, ZOROASTER....etc. The list goes on and on as all these gods have their origin in Babylon. From Shintoism and the Land of the Rising Sun, to Sin, the moon god....the god of Islam...........there is one orgin....Babylon. All supported by the archeaological evidence.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 01:07 PM
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you have zero evidence to support this.. or just about every other... claim.

if you want to make these claims further, back them up with evidence and logic.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 01:30 PM
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I'd like to see some more about this. For instance, the newspaper says that it occurred "about the time of Noah" but then doesn't say what THEY think the "time of Noah" is. That would tell us which of the records it agrees with and conflicts with.

Scholars are reasonably certain that a real flood is described, but that the actual person involved may be the king, Ziusudra or Atrahasis (niether of these are Nimrod). However, that flood has been identified according to at least one account. Ziusudra is probably the original, and his flood is dated to about 2900 BC.

These stories, however, indicate the flood hero floating in the opposite direction and ending up in the Persian gulf.

There's known breaches of the Black Sea by other bodies of water. So I wonder what they found and what they're dating it to.



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