9/11 Demolition Challenged

9/11 Demolition Theory Challenged

An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition".

reply to post by tyranny22


This is great and all, but I'd still like to know more about WTC 7. I wish an independent study could be done on this building and it's collapse.

Anyhow, as I understand it, this examination was done using mathmatics and not physics? So, in numbers the idea of the collapse due strickly to fire and impact look good. But, when applied to real world physics and structural resistace, I wonder how the numbers would stack up.

reply to post by tyranny22


[sarcasm]This was reported by the BBC... we know that they are a puppet government of the United States!![/sarcasm]

This will be interesting. There are a few in here that have asked for mathimatical explinations. I highly doubt this will change their minds....

[edit on 11-9-2007 by CaptainObvious]

Originally posted by tyranny22
The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

right... isn't that the point of a controlled demolition? To be "rapid and total?"

reply to post by CaptainObvious


No need to get sarcastic here Captain. Tell us your view. I would like to know. Enlighten us please.

reply to post by Leyla


Hi Leyla ~

Most in here already know my view. I am a skeptic and do not agree with 90% of the theories that are discussed.

I was being sarcastic because it does not matter at all to a CTer when more and more facts are brought forth. Those who have grasped their fantasy of a governement plan to casue the attacks of 911 will not pay attention to facts. Most only listen to the words of others that believe the same as they do.

All I can say is my view is that six years seems a bit long for an independent anything.
Typical keep the lie going and most will believe it. This is right up with the Warren Comi$$ion in my book. It is the new magic bullet. Never mind the surviving eye witnesses that all heard explosions from the basement with several others that followed. Never mind almost every law enforcement agent, fire fighter and professional that all agree this was a typical demolition. No never mind the truth just stay asleep. Never mind those like myself that know much of the hidden history of this nation. Just sleep well, we well try to keep the war quieter.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
reply to post by Leyla

 

Hi Leyla ~

Most in here already know my view. I am a skeptic and do not agree with 90% of the theories that are discussed.

I was being sarcastic because it does not matter at all to a CTer when more and more facts are brought forth. Those who have grasped their fantasy of a governement plan to casue the attacks of 911 will not pay attention to facts. Most only listen to the words of others that believe the same as they do.

what we believe is subjective.

We chose the facts we consider credible because we believe the source, so we believe what supports what we already believe. If someone believes the official story it is a choice.

Your comment
it does not matter at all to a CTer when more and more facts are brought forth. Those who have grasped their fantasy of a governement plan to casue the attacks of 911 will not pay attention to facts. Most only listen to the words of others that believe the same as they do.

it does not matter at all to a person that believes the official version when more and more facts are brought forth. Those who have grasped their fantasy of a government that cares about us and promises to protects us will not pay attention to facts. Most only listen to the words of fox news that believe the same as they do.

Originally posted by Redge777


what we believe is subjective.

We chose the facts we consider credible because we believe the source, so we believe what supports what we already believe. If someone believes the official story it is a choice.

You can't "choose" facts. Facts are facts. It appears you will only choose "facts" that are presented to you that fit your conspiracy theory.

Originally posted by Redge777

it does not matter at all to a person that believes the official version when more and more facts are brought forth. Those who have grasped their fantasy of a government that cares about us and promises to protects us will not pay attention to facts. Most only listen to the words of fox news that believe the same as they do.

this is the type of comments that I often see. The 911 denier or "truther" likes to add things like "listens to words of fox news" and "Cares and promises to protect us"...this type of statement is actually trying to sway others to think that ...of yeah that skeptic is a Bush lover ..or thinks the government is perfect. Most skeptics are not Bush lovers.. or "sheep"...skeptics deal with facts..and think critically.

I think all anyone wants is an independent investigation of 911. That would be the fastest way to quell the dissent and CTers. That does not seem too much too ask. The fact that such an investigation is not forecoming says a lot for the Cters.

Originally posted by Comforter
All I can say is my view is that six years seems a bit long for an independent anything.
Typical keep the lie going and most will believe it. This is right up with the Warren Comi$$ion in my book. It is the new magic bullet. Never mind the surviving eye witnesses that all heard explosions from the basement with several others that followed. Never mind almost every law enforcement agent, fire fighter and professional that all agree this was a typical demolition. No never mind the truth just stay asleep. Never mind those like myself that know much of the hidden history of this nation. Just sleep well, we well try to keep the war quieter.

And yet another truther that does not deal with the truth, or facts.



There have been many independent reviews on several different aspects of 911. You will refuse to read them becasue they do not agree with your fantasy of a government cover-up. If it is independent...how is the government keeping the lie going? If some more information is gathered through out the years...wouldn't it be prudent to further investigations...if you read the article that was on the op.. the last paragraph that he linked to stated that this scientists findings may be helpful in the future of designing buildings...

By your statement about the basement, you show that you have done little research outside the worlds of Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and Jim Fetzer. Try doing some research on the fireballs that were witnessed by many and killed by many. Read the doctor reports about the people that were blinded by jet fuel...or the ones that breathed it in doing massive injuries to their lungs.



Another lie:

Never mind almost every law enforcement agent, fire fighter and professional that all agree this was a typical demolition.

And someone with little knowledge will come to this forum...read it, and think its gospel.

Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
I think all anyone wants is an independent investigation of 911. That would be the fastest way to quell the dissent and CTers. That does not seem too much too ask. The fact that such an investigation is not forecoming says a lot for the Cters.

Hi disgusted...no...if that would ever happen (not sure who would fund it) ....you would get quotes like this from truthers:

All I can say is my view is that six years seems a bit long for an independent anything.
Typical keep the lie going and most will believe it.

OK this is getting to me now let me share some of what I know....not from reading or listening to but from LIVING IT and those of you that find comfort in lies about planes alone at the hands of Arabians with out any aid just do what you do best call those of us that have risked our lives for your wasted skin liers or fantasy livers or what ever helps you sleep.
Never mind those like myself that know much of the hidden history of this nation. Like how the MOVE in Philadelphia used LAW’s (paid for with Arab money) to down two aircraft and chop several (five at least) more in half on the ground between 1982 and March of 1985.
Never mind that flight 800 was taken down by an improvised non-shrapnelling missile after all you have that video made by the CIA for the FBI that shows an alternative. What difference that the eyewitnesses saw a missile as did the radar (oh no it was too slow for a military missile) no s#@t it was an improvised that the N17 (dates are everything with these creeps like the 17th of the month in this case) was famous for. You know that terrorist group from Greece where flight 800 originated from as flight 811. The same group would have blown up US trains on March of 1999 if not for an independent contractor (that would be me). Now the “Foundation” has helped in these and I feel certain with the 911 massacres. Why would a group that makes a fortune on child abduction, porn and bribes to politicians want their paper and computer trails destroyed? Gee I guess people like Ted Kennedy don’t want people to know the source of his 146 million dollars that hit his account annually come from. That does not include the 9 million from the legal trust or his legal income. No don’t let me wake you all up stay asleep. Even when a huge load of toxic gas comes over the boarder of India, stay sleeping. When the Foundation grabs a huge number of US children and herd them to South Florida keep sleeping. And when the gas is released over the southern half of Florida if you are there in southern Florida you will never have a chance to wake up. The new goal of our enemy is a US civilian body count of 20 million. Sleep well.

If people would come forward and present facts then perhaps 9-11 would be solved. But more and more theories are building more and more each day.

One corner we have people wanting the truth and in the other corner we have the debunkers. No one is gaining ground we are at a stalemate.


At this rate we will never know what really happened on 9-11.


But I do know this a tragedy occured and many innocent people lost their lives. Don't you think we owe it to them to get to the bottom of it?

Originally posted by CaptainObvious

Originally posted by Redge777


..skeptics deal with facts..and think critically.

if that's the case then you're not a skeptic, [removed]

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[edit on 9-12-2007 by worldwatcher]

Originally posted by CaptainObvious

Most skeptics are not Bush lovers.. or "sheep"...skeptics deal with facts..and think critically.

A true sceptic is equally sceptical of the various conspiracy theories - especially when there are many variations amongst them.

As regards the collapse of the towers, I remain convinced by my own observations - I saw them collapse from the top down and the fact that both fell in the same manner is suggestive to me of a structural flaw in the buildings.

Since I get "WARNED" for stating my opinion on a theory... this will be reported. Grow up.


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[edit on 12-9-2007 by elevatedone]

[edit on 12-9-2007 by elevatedone]

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
This will be interesting. There are a few in here that have asked for mathimatical explinations. I highly doubt this will change their minds....

Well, until we see some actual numbers and what his assumptions are, it's just him saying "Eureka". Aren't you the one who's always saying about peer review?

The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

He'll get his chance. I wonder how he calculated everything without having any construction documents? Did he assume? Are those assumptions correct? We'll see when the paper comes out.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

So, we're back to free-fall speed?

He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.

When is a building exploding into itself an "ordinary thing"? We've seen partial collapses before in buildings where the whole building didn't come crashing down, why does he say it's an ordinary thing?

I wonder how much he gets in government funding to do his research? Just a question.

reply to post by Griff


Hi Griff ~

I'm not saying this guy will be 100% correct, I SUCK at math.

I am curious if this paper has been peer reviewed....isn't that what typically happens prior to a paper being published?

Like i said...this will be interesting. Also Griff...what if anything will this do to your opinion in regards to the CD theory, IF (and only if) his paper is accurate?

Thanks
CO