Barksdale Missile Number Six: The Stolen Nuclear Weapon

Could someone provide a bibliography, or cite the sources of the information provided? If you try telling someone something like this with no sources to back up the information, there is no way they are going to believe you.

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The CIA guy did not wear full dress. He wore a suit.

The 4 star guy wore full dress.

It reads funny...I had to read it twice.

he answer has been provided several times, most recently by CIA Director and General Michael Hayden. On September 7, dressed in full military uniform, Hayden told assembled members of the Council of Foreign Relations:

[edit on 6-12-2009 by whiteraven]

When this news item broke there were in the days and weeks to follow the mysteriously convienent deaths of so many service members directly connected to this incident. During that time frame it appeared as if the deaths of those directly involved were dying because someone wanted to ensure no one would ever be questioned or be allowed to exlpain how the events occurred and who was mandating the movment and transport of the nuclear cruise missles. It was a sad testimony to the concern that someone was orchestrating the theft of nuclear weapons from within our own government and when things didnt go as they were planned, perhaps some loyal service member suspected and undermined the operation. I just believe that had these service members been allowed to live that we would know more about what this event was all about and who was using national security codes to warrant the actions and orders that the soldiers were instructed to carry out under the highest level of security measures. Their deaths were intended to undermine any investigation making it easy for those in government to sell whatever story they elected to deceive the public.

We may never know but the deaths of so many service members of all ranks clearly indicated some type of operation that was shut down because things just didnt go as Cheney wanted them to go and when disclosure was determined to be imminent, the operation was turned into a clean up of witnesses and the denial that anything other than some type of logistic mistake was responsible. They of course fired the token post commander and tried to sell the lie that it was just a mistake. It was no mistake and neither were the deaths of all those surrounding this story that ended up dead by mysterious circumstances.

I have always suspected since this incident was aired on TV that the real 911 culprits did this incident but was somehow undermined and or discovered by perhaps some internal airmans rogue action. It is what happened in the days and week after this incident that clearly showed that whoever did this had the ability to begin killing witnesses in such a urgent manner and killing anyone who could connect the dots.

For anyone who believes that 911 was orchestratred and carried out by those that had unlimited computer access to resources within the intelligence agenices, it stands to reason that if they had the capability to override NORAD and fool the DOD,FBI,CIA,NSA, and others then it implies computer access into many different systems with different security systems and if that was the case on Sept. 11, 2001 then it stands to reason that the real perpertrators of 911 used the same in house back doors and defeated highly classified encrypted systems once again by orchestrating the removal, preparation and transport for five or six nuclear cruise missles into the hands of someone authorized to receive them.

My point is that if you suspect that someone defeated our internal security systems and network of secure communications on Sept. 11, 2001 then it stands to reason in a very logical sense that those same internal enemies of America who were probably still in power back then and even today, were using unavailable computer generated secret codes and complete computer access which resulted in the entire American defense system being rendered inept enough while the 911 operation continued to its conclusion.

It is in fact, that type of secret access that could initiate certain protocols and even the ability to release nuclear missles to someone with nefarious intentions sitting in some office or room imputing all the necessary data into all the different systems in such a way with zero error or indication that the authorization commands are being falsified.

This type of top secret access could begin wars and authorize release of items of concern such as bioweapons and chemical and even nuclear devices to those that would do us harm. With no one to question, as long as the authorizations were as required, it would be the only means by which such a crime could be carried out. Whoever has this much access better be some internal American criminal element because if its foriegn based, we are at war in a losing way and that means we have the enemy in house with the ability to pretend to be anyone they want to be and with the ability to fool any known system that could potentially be used to track them.

This is the potential, real, ongoing, continunial threat we face and if we understand this little point in fact, then it makes other elements of how such things could of been done without anyone knowing the truth of who our real enemy is.

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well, that is likely true. The deaths are very suspicious (and not the only example of such strange happenings).

But the pattern of soldier deaths is something that either the military was in on, or was aware of and just shrugged off to avoid answering too many questions. They, in effect, killed the story.

In either event, the public interest was not served in any form or fashion. Powerful people will kill other people who threaten their power. I know this and expect it. It is greed, and not only is it human nature, but it is also part of what makes powerful people powerful.

China has launched attacks on every nation on the planet. They are so egregious about it that they not only don't hide it, but they almost do it out in the open entirely.

It is a completely different ideology.

This should always be bumped!

We really cannot let this issue go under the carpet.

However besides the Barksdale incident, though with no other sources yet an Blog/Newspaper style collumist has just started a 3 part series on another 6 lost nukes before Barksdale!

3 american and 3 UK ones!

However the UK part is not run yet, just some mentions of shady arms deals.

As some of the write up contains for example some researchable info such as the lost B52's id number etc, it may be worth researching more by those who know how to check these facts.

Readers may find it incredible to know that as a result of their gross neglect three US nuclear missiles went missing without trace and have now ended up in the hands of someone else which now adds concern as to how such an event could ever happen.

The story doesn't stop there because three nuclear weapons that should have gone to the US for decommissioning were purchased in a very shady way by the British Government and they also went missing without trace and have also ended up in the hands of someone else.

Palestinian Telegraph

In the American loss aparently an B52 with 3 SRAM AGM nuclear weapons got into mechanical difficulty over Iraq and had to ditch its weapons on the east african shoreline for later retrival before the plane crashed killing all on board.

Who though retreived these weapons?

The source is of dubious nature, though as this topic contains some truth in relation to Barksdale, and some researchable info in the article I thought you all would be interested.

Kind Regards,

Elf

While many correctly believe that if a dirty bomb or home made nuke was detonated that we would be able to discern where it came from by testing the radioactive material and determining where it was refined and or processed into weapons grade material for such bombs.

While I will not dispute this ability which does leave a signature in affect of who and where the uranium came from, but in today's multifaceted society, the following is now possible and must be included whenever we discuss such bombs and or methodologies of determining who and where it came from.

Nation States that do not currently possess the ability to refine plutonium into a weapons grade material can now "OUTSOURCE" their refining to some nation like America where those with the equipment and know how accept big bribes to covertly refine the material from the Nation State seeking weapons grade material and when the material has been refined, it is then sold back to the Nation State for use in a nuclear bomb or bombs.

In such a way, some Nation State could pay someone to refine their material into a weapons grade bomb material and then if and when the nuclear bombs are ever used, no one would be able to conclude that the refinement came from some outsource nation and then sold back to the Nation State to then begin placing into missiles or bombs which the Nation State will then claim exists for self defense use of course.

In such a way, a hostile country could then acquire all the weapons grade material needed for nuclear weapons without having to worry about implicating where the material was refined. This is key if indeed the Nation State does not have all the technical and nuclear experts needed to refine and then transfer to nuclear bomb weapons making.

As long as the contractor nation refining the material used the plutonium material from the foreign Nation state, then no one will ever know that the weapons material was refined by some fellow Nation State just for the ability to make money and lots of it and also to then deceive the world as to who actually provided the weapons grade material to the nation state in the first place should it ever be used against us or one of our allies.

All the current saber rattling with Iran could be a prime example of how a Nation State pays someone else to refine the radioactive material and then when it is refined, turned into weapons that many will think Iran developed when in fact the material was refined right here in American Universities and government laboratories that can secretly control the refinement and control the fact that we did something for a supposed hostile Nation State when in fact it was done solely for profit and to confuse the rest of the world when and if such bombs are ever used in a hostile fashion.

Under such a covert project, any testing of any nuke bomb residue after any type of attack if used on any city would then "never" reveal through testing that the refinement came from American sources.

We would be blaming a Nation State that in fact did not refine the material but actually purchased the ability from someone that could do the work in secret and for billions of dollars in profits. Such traitors in our nation must be found and such use of American facilities to refine radioactive material for profit must never be allowed to compromise the safety of America cites and America citizens.

This is the concern that worries me and I hope I have explained it in terms that allow for a different thought on the subject of nuclear weapons development by Nation States seeking to join the nuclear weapons club.

In this day and age, those seeking nuclear weapons will do whatever will allow them to acquire such weapons, but to think that they will struggle with building one and or refining nuclear material is not keeping up with how well money can be used to make difficult projects more easily attainable and in this case I believe that Iran is more than capable of figuring this out and using profit to induce someone to cooperate in such a secret project to refine their nuclear material into a weapons grade material by proxy.

While this posting is indeed conspiratorial, many would also say that it is very plausible.

Sorry to bump an old thread, but since this is an important thread it seems appropriate to point out that the Official Investigation Report has finally been released via an FOIA request.

The Arms Control Wonk finally recieved the official report and has posted it for all to see.

I wonder how the report compares to the original news and ATS Posts.
Hopefully someone will save it somewhere more permanant.

COMMANDER DIRECTED REPORT OF INVESTIGATION PREPARED BY MAJOR GENERAL DOUGLAS L. RAABERG INVESTIGATING OFFICER CONCERNING
AN UNAUTHORIZED TRANSFER OF NUCLEAR WARHEADS BETWEEN MINOT AFB, NORTH DAKOTA AND BARKSDALE AFB, LOUSIANA 30 AUGUST 2OO7 [67 page PDF]

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The report is now available on the media portal here:

media.abovetopsecret.com...

Hmm, wonder if any additional truth about this will be discovered ?

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[edit on 22/8/10 by masqua]

earlier there was the discussion about what to do with nukes, without having the codes to it.


well, this one comes handy;

Nuclear launch card was missing 'for months,' under clinton

articles.cnn.com...OLITICS

The article mentions, you need not only the card/codes but also the "football" - anyone knows where the football is ?
Seems there s a BIG game to play, and were not talking soccer here.

Bump....again. In light of the San Diego find.

Some food for thought

Probably the MOST important thread on ATS

Due to recent events with Wikileaks cable Al quada to nuke eaurope if bin laden found

The Arab spring

Bomb warnings London

BUMP BUMP BUMP

Kind Regards

Elf

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thanks for bumping.

What do you mean by "San Diego Find" ?

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Nuclear weapon found at San Diego port

A port official has admitted that a 'weapon of mass effect' has been found by 'partner agencies' in the U.S., raising major questions over a possible government cover-up.
The disturbing revelation came in an interview with San Diego's assistant port director screened by a television channel in the city.
The Customs and Border Protection Department tried to dampen speculation over his remarks, but doubts remained over whether he had inadvertently revealed a dirty bomb plot to attack the U.S. mainland.

Go the link....there's more....

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Thanks for the info, CIAGypsy.

Could be a relation there.

I did read the article 3 times now, asking myself 3 questions:
- what kind of weapons they are talking about, (A,B,C ?)
- have they been discovered on the way in or out of US ?
- who did it ?

Unfortunately none of them is answered in the article.

Again in the rabbithole, digging.


P.S. love your avatar!

Originally posted by svetlana84

The article mentions, you need not only the card/codes but also the "football" - anyone knows where the football is ?
Seems there s a BIG game to play, and were not talking soccer here.

The football is the Nuclear Breifcase that follows the president everywhere as here:

According to a Washington Post article, the President is always accompanied by a military aide carrying a "football" with launch codes for nuclear weapons.[1] It is a metallic Zero Halliburton briefcase[2] carried in a black leather "jacket". The package weighs around 45 pounds (20 kilograms).[3] A small antenna protrudes from the bag near the handle.[3] In his book Breaking Cover, Bill Gulley, the former director of the White House Military Office wrote:[3] There are four things in the Football. The Black Book containing the retaliatory options, a book listing classified site locations, a manila folder with eight or ten pages stapled together giving a description of procedures for the Emergency Broadcast System, and a three-by-five inch card with authentication codes. The Black Book was about 9 by 12 inches and had 75 loose-leaf pages printed in black and red. The book with classified site locations was about the same size as the Black Book, and was black. It contained information on sites around the country where the president could be taken in an emergency.

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However anyone who gets hold of them is not interested in the codes cards etc,

They want the plutonium or other nuclear Material in the bomb to make their own.

It wouldnt be used by missile or bomb or torpedo, but smuggled in and could be as big as an articulated lorry or just a wheelie bin.

Kind Regards,

Elf

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Your correct, there is no way that a mistake like this is able to happen no way. Heck during the move of any type of nuclear weapon the base commander is awake and overseeing the whole operation.