Barksdale Missile Number Six: The Stolen Nuclear Weapon

Passing strange how we "know" that this has taken place. While the scenario is frightening and not beyond anyone's capacity to imagine given the Bush/Cheney government, I do not trust the hand pointing and saying, "Look at this! Look at this!" (I do not mean this personally with reference to the OP. I think he deserves a shiny award for putting this information together -- information that is remarkable as it is terrifying.)

Nonetheless, the attention given to one event leads me to want to turn around immediately and look at whatever it may be that is being covered up and papered over by this "disclosed" event. My latest twist on Occam...

[edit on 13/9/07 by Pellevoisin]

Originally posted by section8citizen
Outstanding thread

However, I think you can eliminate Sept 14 as a possible date. Infowars is reporting the 14th as a HOAX

I agree.I think this incident had more to do with intimidating certian poeple around the world.Oh no the U.S. is moving nukes around.

I can't think of any other reeason than intimidation to ever release a story like that to the public.The public would never know if they didnt tell us.Hrmm

I worked for over 6 years in the 2w0x1 career field for the U.S. Air Force. We dealt with conventional munitions, nothing nuclear. But this story is cause for grave concern. I find it highly unlikely that the military chain of command would chose to break international treaties on their own. This is how people lose their entire careers and end up sitting in a chair in front of congress with cameras everywhere. But that isn't happening. Since no commander could ever willingly and independently break such treaties, this stunt must have gone all the way up the chain. That is obvious in how the military is treating this event. You don't see commanders getting fired and people sitting in front of Congress, nor will that happen.

Not to mention that if a commander were to try to get away with such a stunt, it would never work because everyone in the chain of command would know. At least everyone down to the accountability control and nuke specialists who do storage and handling, transport, and the security forces that have to guard these weapons. Such operations involving live nuclear weapons would never be allowed to happen since everyone would know about what was going on. These weapons don't get pulled out of storage, prepared for flight, loaded on the aircraft, and secured by the support of security forces without people knowing about it and without authorization and accountability of these nuclear assets. The Air Force is paranoid about how it deals with such weapons. Nothing involving these weapons takes place without clear authorization and justification from the chain of command higher up. Someone higher up (above the commander level) would have had to authorize the commanders to go forward with this, especially since it involves international treaties and live nuclear weapons being loaded on combat aircraft.

If a nuclear weapon has been pilfered and eventually finds it's way into the hands of a terrorist group like Al-Qaeda, and the device was detonated inside the U.S., the specific type of plutonium used in the weapon would be spread over a wide area and would be detectable. It's just like what happened in the movie with Ben Afflek "The Sum of All Fears". In the movie, they were able to pinpoint the source of the nuclear material used to make the warhead and therefore poinpoint which country made the weapon. But if such a weapon were detonated on American soil, we would be able to tell if it was of U.S. origin or not. Therefore, anyone who thinks this is some type of conspiracy for the U.S. to nuke itself is mistaken. There would be blatant proof of the origin of the device, therefore they would have no room for deniability.

I think we all hope and pray that such a day never comes. At least not those of us whom are sound of mind. I believe that we are not being told the truth involving this event and I believe that the military could never even get away with doing this independently and without authorization from higher up in the chain of command. The only likely explanation would be that this is some kind of political stunt. But it still raises more questions than answers. The U.S. doesn't have to break international treaty to make our enemies aware of the fact that we have an immense nuclear capability. It doesn't take flying live nukes over American soil to get their attention. Everyone knows we have a huge stockpile of mission-ready nuclear weapons. That was never in dispute. Therefore I still don't understand why they would do this to get the attention of the International community. Not to mention it makes us look wreckless in the eyes of what allies we have left.

Not to mention, the Air Force doesn't transport nuclear weapons to be decommissioned on combat-ready aircraft and in combat-ready configuration. It has proven costly before with all the crashes and nuclear accidents. If they lose the aircraft, they lose 6 nukes. It makes absolutely no sense.

-ChriS

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Originally posted by BlasteR

But if such a weapon were detonated on American soil, we would be able to tell if it was of U.S. origin or not. Therefore, anyone who thinks this is some type of conspiracy for the U.S. to nuke itself is mistaken.

I'm sure there would be some cover-up afterwards...

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Great post! Seriously! From CFR and ``Al-Qaeda`` sources, it would be New York, Washington DC or Chicago in the top 3.

Washington DC, you have the advantage of blowing up the congress which give Bush total power.
New York, for some kind of reason the globalists hate New Yorkers, it's also a big economical center and american symbol. And you can blow up the UN so you can say that terrorists don't want us united, so we will build a more powerful UN...
Chicago, Larry Silverstein owns the Sears Tower.

Also, it's in ``middle america`` there would be also contamination of the great lakes which would kill even more people, also Chicago is part of the ``Manufacturing belt`` and it's a big finance center.

Take your pick. There's also LA, but LA is important for some reasons to the elites so I don't see them nuking their ``own city``.

[edit on 11-9-2007 by Vitchilo]

I know I am joining this thread a bit late, so forgive me if someone else has made this point.

Remember, we are dealing with the Bush family here. Being an ally of that family has not historically been a very safe long-term career goal. The names bin Laden, Hussein, and Noriega come to mind as examples. The mainstream media, whose heart and brain reside in Los Angeles, allied with the Bush regime-elect in 2000, spinning all election news in his favor, and acting instrumentally in the events that handed him the presidency. They did this in return for the mass "deregulation" of the media industry by the new chief of the FCC, Michael Powell (son of the famous general) and a blind eye turned to monopolistic (illegal) mergers and acquisitions by the SEC. They have continued to honor this loyalty with very few exceptions ever since.

It would be perfectly in character for Bush and those who control him to double-cross these allies and drop this rogue nuke there. The benefits would be enormous: everyone in America would be affected because most of the new movies and new TV shows would be cancelled, the Christian right (who have long villified the "Jewish," "homosexual" "purveyors of sin" based in LA) would perhaps redouble their considerable financial support of the Bush regime, the resulting earthquakes would rock the entire state of California (whose support of the Bush administration has been faltering, at best), and not only would the move cripple the most entrenched and the most independent media factories, all surviving studios nationwide would take notice and quickly move to conform even more completely to the letter and the tone that Bush would require to take full military control of the U.S., suspend elections, institute a police state, and become full-fledged dictator over the North American Union.

Look at what was said to the CFR: "We assess with high confidence that al-Qaida is focusing on targets that would produce mass casualties, dramatic destruction and significant aftershocks." Am I making too much of the words "dramatic" and "aftershocks" here?

Originally posted by BlasteR
...But if such a weapon were detonated on American soil, we would be able to tell if it was of U.S. origin or not. Therefore, anyone who thinks this is some type of conspiracy for the U.S. to nuke itself is mistaken. There would be blatant proof of the origin of the device, therefore they would have no room for deniability...

But you see, it doesn't matter that the nuke is of U.S. origin for several reasons:

1. Bush could use the fact that Us Armed Forces were involved to attack and/or disband departments or branches within the gov't by claiming they had something to do with the heist of the ordnance;
   
2. Bush could claim the fact as evidence that Al-Quaida has so inundated the American political system that he is justified in taking dictatorial control;
   
3. Bush could just blame the theft on Al Qaida without further elaboration; or,
   
4. as in the 9-11 attacks, significant parts of the investigation could just be left undone, and the fact of its origin might not ever be determined or it might be considered to be inconsequential in light of the enormity of the tragedy.
   

The fact that the weapon was of U.S. origin is therefore not enough of a deterrent to prevent its use on U.S. soil.


[edit on 9/13/07 by without_prejudice]

I guess I'm showing my age.
I noticed a few of my fellow bluesuiters here. It's nice to see!

I also noticed one individual posted his AFSC (google it) if I remember my codes right he's got a job code to know a little. And with all due respect all AFSC's beginning with "2" are maintainers.

I can't remember because I had an old one, and never bothered to learn my new one. I think it started with a "2" . These came around in 1992 ish with the dissolving of SAC, TAC and MAC. And the formation of Air Combat Command and Military Airlift Command. My code was 454X0A (google it it's the old one).

So based on the Airman's use his AFSC (a new one) I can surmise that the Airman never experienced the fun and light hearted joy of SAC. I recommend watching Dr. Strangelove and reading up in his PFE AF Pamphlet 50-34 on Air Force history. Unless, like me, you used it for a great beer coaster and 35-10 reference

Remember General Curtis Lemay? The granddaddy of SAC? The man who designed Allied bombing tactics in Europe in WWII with the "bloody 8th", firebombed Japan killing over 200,000 in one raid over Tokyo, the man who coined the phrase "bomb them into the stone age" & "there are no innocent civilians" & "these gd Kenneys are going to ruin this country!" because he wanted to turn the bombers loose on Cuba in 1962.

The unspoken SAC motto of "Peace is our profession, war is our hobby" speaks volumes to it's culture. I know better ones but they're not suitable for posting

Coincidentally and off topic I went to Boot Camp and Tech School with Gen. Paul Tibbets grandson "Paul" (i think all the males are named Paul in that family). The Air Force is a smaller community than most think.

If you don't know who Paul Tibbets is, you should feel like a dumb American and hang your head in shame!

And thanks to men like Lemay and Tibbets the "the cold war wasn't fought, it was WON".

I could go on and on. What is important, is to note is Air Force culture has changed exponentially. But we still have nukes and ABSOLUTELY no need to sneak around with nukes.

Give us the codes and we'll still turn the keys with a smile.
Get some "evil doer!".

Not to mention the Navy's missile subs which can hit in minutes. They pack 24 Trident missles usually carrying the Mark 82 warhead (I think) which has a variable yield from "X" to 475Kt. Bear in mind Hiroshima was about 8 - 10 with less than 5% of the U235 fissioning, inefficient at best. The Trident is MIRV`d so EACH sub can put 96 warheads on target without warning. I wonder how many subs are "in theater"?

So in keeping with the SAC tradition of screwing with civvies, the Air Force is having it's 60th Birthday Sept 17th. Maybe that's the date people are guessing at? Nukes would be great fireworks for the party!

Why are people trying to figure it out? You hurt national security if you get it right. Like those morons on CNN who reported we were tracking Bin Laden via signals from his Sat phone. Now he doesn't use one, thanks CNN! I hope you can be his next victim.

This is why the Air Force has a written and clearly defined policy of "total information warfare" which they teach at the academy and the war colleges.

Simply put if you're not involved with the mission you're a justified target for disinformation. This means me, people reading this and target #1 all media outlets.

Sun Tzu said 4,000 years ago in China "All warfare is based deception".

Please don't risk our guys by guessing correctly. You might give the bad guys the missing puzzle piece to get somebody killed. I ask that as a personal favor.

On that note I'll end with an old SAC joke, "I tried to take her back to my place ... but I guess I didn't have the right badge number"

P.S. I meant no disrespect or dressing down of the Airman I mentioned in this post. But at risk of sounding like an NCO, have you read your PFE lately?

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[edit on 13-9-2007 by Skeptical0ne]

Originally posted by Skeptical0ne
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I can't remember because I had an old one, and never bothered to learn my new one. I think it started with a "2"

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Is that the career group or qualification level? (the 2)

Originally posted by neil wilkes

Originally posted by Skeptical0ne
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I can't remember because I had an old one, and never bothered to learn my new one. I think it started with a "2"

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Is that the career group or qualification level? (the 2)

Group. Of course I never worked at CBPO

In my case 454X0A - the X is the skill (3,5,7,9) and A means I'm not in turboprop. Beyond that I don't really know the coding.

Wikipedia probably explains the new scheme.

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SkepticalOne, I have no interest in reminiscing about old times, job codes, movies, history, Cuba, Tokyo or long-dead Generals on this thread.

I instead would like to point out to readers how this post starkly illustrates what we are up against. Why we are experiencing such difficulty in determining (1) how many nukes left Minot? and (2) how many nukes were retrieved at Barksdale?

Eight days have passed since this issue became public. As yet we have no answers from the Pentagon. SkepticalOne has clearly explained why:

"Simply put if you're not involved with the mission you're a justified target for disinformation. This means me, people reading this and target #1 all media outlets."

So American citizens are "justified targets for disinformation" by the American government. By a "written and clearly defined policy of total information warfare". A policy the American military is directing against American citizens.

And now we all can see why no truthful explanation from the Pentagon will be forthcoming, and why whatever Pentagon explanation that may eventually forthcome will be lies.

SkepticalOne, I thank you for the independent confirmation. You have enhanced my credibility here.

And thank you for confirming the official policy of the Pentagon to lie to American citizens about the possibility of a hidden hand cabal operating at the highest levels of the American government, and the possibility they will use nuclear weapons on their own citizens, is viewed in portions of the military as being morally and legally acceptable.

You have just confirmed that my supposition is indeed possible.

But not acceptable. To you or your types perhaps. But not to me. And not to others as well.

And you suggest those like us who seek the truth will "hurt national security":

"Why are people trying to figure it out? You hurt national security if you get it right."

This is why the Air Force has a written and clearly defined policy of "total information warfare" which they teach at the academy and the war colleges."

As now-Congressman John Lewis asked during the Civil Rights March the day the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. gave his "I Have a Dream" speech:

"Which side is the federal government on?"

SkepticalOne, you say:

"Please don't risk our guys by guessing correctly. You might give the bad guys the missing puzzle piece to get somebody killed. I ask that as a personal favor."

You ask that we refrain from "risking our guys by guessing correctly". Bluntly, you are asking, as a personal favor, that tens of thousands of civilians be willing to sacrifice their own lives to a secret sect of traitors.

Count me out. And please rethink your subjective definition of "bad guys".

With all due respect SkepticalOne, we seeking the missing puzzle pieces not to risk the deaths of military personnel, but to save and protect the lives of the civilians the military was created to protect.

I humbly submit you should belatedly carefully study the text found at this link:

www.usconstitution.net...

And consider for a moment: The military does not own America and its citizens. Rather, the American citizens own the military.

Thank you for dropping by. Please have a nice day.

azchuck

Originally posted by BlasteR

But if such a weapon were detonated on American soil, we would be able to tell if it was of U.S. origin or not. Therefore, anyone who thinks this is some type of conspiracy for the U.S. to nuke itself is mistaken. There would be blatant proof of the origin of the device, therefore they would have no room for deniability.

Thanks for the post BlastR and I see your point. I just hope that if it ever happens we can get as well qualified and thorough Investigating Committee as we had on 911 to investigate the origin of the device.

NWO 'BROKEN ARROW' LIE UPDATE: Decommissioned Nuke Warheads to remain in operation until 2030

From the Archive of NRDC's Nuclear Data Program




www.liveleak.com...



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Since you want to be snotty,
I guess you're under the opinion that you have "the right to know".

You have the right to know one guy, Jack. And he left town.
You can thank the press corp for saying that enough times to get people think they have a right "to know".

If you can show it to me in the Bill of Rights, The Dec of Independence or the federalist papers you maybe have a argument. Otherwise you have to trust your elected officials. Or did you not vote? If you voted for somebody who lost I'm sorry. Maybe next season. It is what is.

Also Americans as a people, for the most part, know nothing of the rest of the world and what other people experience day to day.

However Americans seem to feel they must have an opinion on everything. That's how ideas like this one get started. A bunch of out of context half truths woven together into a scary story. But it sells. There is money in it, what could be more American?

Finally based on our foreign policy, I'd hate us too. Bin Laden actually is right on many points, but doesn't mean he still doesn't need some Texas justice.

The military implements foreign policy an extension of diplomacy. Just like the Romans, the legions are always busy.

Finally you made the greatest point of all, and I thank you.

You said you don't care about the "good ole days".

Well my friend, if you ever want to understand Iran you have to go back to at least the break up of the Ottoman Empire and the nationalization of their oil wells and doings of the Eisenhower administration. Many policies still in place.

I'm not dogging you, but posts like your previous one illustrate the short term memory that infects this country. The average American is not a student of history or world affairs and has an memory/attention span as deep as a birdbath. But rest assured the Iranians remember and pay attention. They remember the CIA coup.

All this stuff is connected. Read some history. One war leads to the next. Now we're hitting back. Bin Laden stuck back due to historical reasons which he used to infer what was going to happen. Read what he says he'll tell you, just like he'll tell you the democrats haven't done "anything worth mentioning".

I think you're living the past too if you want to throw that knife. This is not the Gulf of Tonkin. And even that can be explained using Heinleinn's Razor, "never attribute to malice that which can be easily explained by stupidity."

They aren't out to get you, you're not special and they don't care. And if they were out to get you, they'd most likely screw that up (see failed government initiatives i.e. balanced budget or metric system.)

There's a lot of stupidity in Washington, and it's the only element more common than hydrogen as you proved in your "facts". Which I can debate if you want.

But remember,
1. I will bold face lie to you. - Because telling the truth is illegal
2. I forget stuff sometimes. - Because telling the truth is illegal
3. I will talk in circles to confuse. - Because telling the truth is illegal
4. I will omit details. - Because telling the truth is illegal

See the pattern?

That being said. I've confirmed nothing.
Maybe everything I've posted has been a lie.

In conclusion, the psychology of this story is the real story. Primitive and ignorant man invented myth to explain that which that he could not scientifically explain. I guess people never change.

If you want to believe in this myth. That's your choice and right, protected under the 1st amendment which guarantees the right to ideas and to express them.

So don't believe everything you read or hear. And turn off the boob tube it will rot your brain.

P.S. The doctrine of total information warfare is no secret. Did you just miss all the complaining the press did about "embedded reporting" and not being allowed to wander and spew off what ever they wanted?

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As a final thought, let's pretend you have everything right.

Do you honestly believe you can do anything about it???

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John, the FBI does have a track record. And it's not good.

Seven days after the 9/11 attacks, anthrax-infested letters were opened in New York offices of news agencies. The next day the PATRIOT Act was submitted to Congress.

On October 12 the bill was passed by the House and sent to the Senate, where the Democrats had a one-vote majority. Anthrax-contaminated letters were opened in the offices of the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman on October 15 and 16. Both were demanding hearings on the PATRIOT Act.

The President proclaimed a link between the anthrax and bin Laden. The mainstream press quickly spread news that the anthrax was typical of that produced by Iraq, based on tips from three anonymous sources.

The Hart Senate Office Building was closed. The Senate passed the PATRIOT Act on October 24 without conducting hearings.

Lab tests conclusively established the anthrax strain was the unique Ames strain, with a dispersible concentration of one trillion spores per gram. This is produced only at an Army facility at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

An FBI agent developed a profile of the perp, which fit only about six people. The FBI refused to interview the possible suspects and instead denounced her findings.

The FBI has not solved the case, refuses to investigate employees at Fort Detrick and refuses to brief Congress on progress made in solving the case.

All of which suggests the FBI will be the lead agency in investigating where the unique strain of plutonium came from.

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SkepticalOne, I won't clutter this thread by countering your self-righteous attacks, either against me or American citizens.

I do thank you for boldly and forthrightly sharing the attitudes that are all too prevalent in Washington in general and the Pentagon in particular.

Best regards

azchuck

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Your most welcome. Go to www.af.mil "Service before self".
I guess you can't hide that Air Force pride.

I'm glad I could be of service you, again as I was in Desert Storm.
Also I doubted you'd respond because you can't.

I don't mean that as an insult. This myth, like any other, is a matter of faith.
We could be debating the existence of G*D for that matter.

Belief is a matter of choice.
But ask yourself this, does belief in this benefit you in anyway?

To me it seems to sow ignorance and fear.

Based on what I know, have experienced and have seen it's an interesting read. The "Hunt for Red October" was a good read too.

The point of my posts is, I'm somebody who had access and in my expert opinion this story is false.

But I'll give you this.

If an unaccounted for nuclear weapon goes off once the EMP effect have faded and the Internet is restored. I will come on this thread and before Almighty G*D and all readers admit the one thing opinionated people never admit "I'll admit that I was dead wrong."

And your credibility will enhanced and I will forever be known as "The Airman Without A Clue".

Cheers!




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This is excellent research. When I first looked into this on 09/05, the Military Times (www.militarytimes.com...) reported only 5 missing weapons. It was recently edited on Sept 10th to show six missing.

However, I have a BIG problem with the missing time. According to my brief research, it is around 1400 GROUND miles from Minot, ND to Barksdale, LA. Assuming the air miles are around 100 shorter (sorry for not being more exact here), let's say 1300, and assuming the cruising speed of a B-52 is 565 miles per hour, it should have taken around 2.3 hrs to make that flight. Granted, there is time involved in the climb to altitude, but we are still a long ways away from that 3.5 hrs reported in the Military Times article.

Now, what major AF bomber base is "on the way" from Minot to Barksdale? Offutt in Nebraska. Is it possible the bomber took of with 6 nukes, offloaded one at Offutt, and then continued on to Barksdale? Would that account for the missing time? Am I completely off the wall for questioning this missing time?

I'm not an expert here, just asking questions...

My 2 cents:

NJMooch could be right - that would explain the amazingly unbelievable breakdown of weapon handling procedure.

That it happened is amazingly surprising. I would not have suspected that could just occur. Weird stuff does happen, and you do sometimes have unusual events on the flightline with the loaded weapons. I recall in particular one Colonel's daughter made it to the flightline in Warner Robins and was playing knick-knack on a weapon with a set of tools trying to damage it physically when they dragged her off. I wouldn't have expected that either. But the loading takes so many people screwing up that it's tough to fathom.

Given that something went really badly wrong somehow up front, maybe thought they were loading dud missiles, and having done it too many times were just lazy and didn't do the checks as they should have. That might also account for the weird discrepancy in the count. That and maybe the reporters didn't get it quite right, or didn't get their story details from someone who actually knew. Given the possibility that the initial screwup that caused the loading might also screw up the count, and the number of people in the info-trail at that point, I'm less immediately worried about the count than the fact that they could be loaded in the first place.

Larger picture: the real issue is that they were in a delivery system when transported. They move weapons around a LOT in C130's.

I'll have to reduce the details on this story, but I know some guys that got their CIB's "for free" escorting a weapon somewhere (let's say it's a current combat zone that's eligible for the CIB). They landed at this place with a couple of devices, and the base commander had no idea why. After a fast flurry of communications, it was eventually untangled and "straightened out", and they loaded back up and flew home with them. So, if you just wanted to get a weapon from point a to point b, it's not out of sop to just have one delivered. I'm not sure why you'd need to do it in such a way that you'd be causing a stink.

The weapon, should it get into someone's hands, won't be useable without the code as has been beaten to death already. If you put in the wrong one, the PAL will destroy itself and the electronics package. Can you replace it, maybe, but it isn't that straight forward. There's more to it than meets the eye. You'd basically have to have the W80 design specs for a block 1, and do a from-scratch electronics package design. You could do it with enough info and the time, maybe, if you were really good. It might be easier to start with a virgin electronics package that hadn't got its production programming yet but that would be hard to come by.

How else could you use it - nuclear weapons are not really very good for dirty bombs, because they aren't very radioactive. Plutonium's pretty poisonous chemically, less so than ricin but more than, say, cyanide. It's hard to deliver though, because it's heavy and doesn't tend to stay airborne for long.

You could get the plutonium and make something else out of it, I suppose, but you might not end up with enough to do much of a job with a crude design. There's only one crappy design you can use with Pu that's not technologically advanced, and it's low yield and takes a wad of material.

So, on one side I'm sort of thinking it's all been generated from some initial bookkeeping sort of error at the starting point. It's hard to fathom how it could happen, or if it did, how it could go so far, though.

If you have it, it's no good without the code, or without an insider in the design team with sticky fingers and amazing luck at getting out the door with very well tracked electronics. Or you have to assume you have someone that's a good designer and has the specs for the warhead at a very detailed level.

Howdy all,

I am not sure of the credibility of this online source - or duplicity in information -but just thought Id add these two jems.

“….the error could not have come from confusing the Advanced Cruise Missile with a conventional weapon since no conventional form exists. So the munitions Airmen should have been easily able to spot the mistake.”

“Vice President Cheney has taken a very prominent role in covert military operations and training exercises designed for the "seamless integration" of different national security and military authorities to possible terrorist attacks. On May 8, 2001, President Bush placed Mr. Cheney in charge of "[A]ll federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction, consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies".

www.indybay.org...