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Why We Really Went to War

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posted on Jan, 20 2004 @ 09:12 AM
There are different reasons this administration chose to invade Iraq. The PNACers want to re-shape the middle east in the image of the west, the oil companies are chomping at the bit to run Iraq's oil business (the world's 2nd largest reserves) and the military wants permanent bases in the heart of OPEC. But the number one reason BushCo. chose to invade Iraq is to keep OPEC from switching their oil trade currency to the Euro.

Saddam made the switch in 2000 and made a handsome profit because of it. It was an act of defiance that effectively sealed his fate. From that time forward, both Iran and Venezuela have considered switching as well. That was why this administration was in such a hurry to invade. (In the June issue of Vanity Fair magazine Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz admitted that they decided on WMD to be used as the excuse to invade. Why? Because it was something they could all get behind and it would scare the shyte out of Americans. Nice, huh?)

Since Saddam's switch, the dollar has continued to drop in value against the Euro. Here's a look at the situation as of today:

Economic Risks Feared Amid Falling Dollar
By James Toedtman
Chief Economic Correspondent

January 19, 2004, 6:52 PM EST

Washington -- Gasoline prices on Jericho Turnpike are high and going higher. story?coll=ny-business-headlines

The situation in Iraq is a disaster. We have no exit strategy. More proof that the administration has no intention of leaving. They're gonna keep that boot on the necks of Saudi Arabia and Iran as long as they absolutely can. We're pretty much damned if we do and damned if we don't at this point. If OPEC switched to the Euro for it's trade currency, the United States economy would be in serious jeapardy of collapse. This is not speculation, this is the frightening truth of the situation. Here is an essay explaining this situation:

A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth

"I hypothesize that President Bush intends to topple Saddam in 2003 in a pre-emptive attempt to initiate massive Iraqi oil production in far excess of OPEC quotas, to reduce global oil prices, and thereby dismantle OPEC's price controls. The end-goal of the neo-conservatives is incredibly bold yet simple in purpose, to use the 'war on terror' as the premise to finally dissolve OPEC's decision-making process, thus ultimately preventing the cartel's inevitable switch to pricing oil in euros."

Right or wrong, this is the situation we are faced with. How will we resolve this? Will we be in Iraq for the forseeable future? Will we invade Iran and Saudi Arabia? There are so many questions and so few answers. What if the Shi'ites in Southern Iraq rebel and a civil war ensues? Will that pit Turkey and US against each other, with regard to the Kurds? Will OPEC eventually go with Euro and what will become of the US if that happens? Whatever happens is anyone's guess. I just can't help but wonder if this is the beginning of the end for this once great nation?

posted on Jan, 20 2004 @ 09:56 AM
ECK: " I just can't help but wonder if this is the beginning of the end for this once great nation?"

Unfortunately it is. Any of these things would have been unimaginable 4 years ago.

And did 9-11 REALLY change that much? Hell, no. It just gave the neo-cons more leeway to strip freedoms from American citizens and to wage a worldwide war of dominance. To keep people pumped up on fear so they don't notice the "little things" (like Asscroft's Secret Police).

The US has been messing with people's countries for DECADES and the chickens finally came home to roost. Now, all those 3000 people's deaths are being used as justification of US military crimes around the globe. It's a travesty, and insulting to the memories of those 3000 innocents.

The US government, with it's arrogant and insane foreign policy is endangering future generations of Americans, and nobody seems to give a crap.


posted on Jan, 20 2004 @ 10:33 AM
What will happen if a Democrat wins the presidency in '04? How will that affect our current petro policy? Will it stay the same? (Kerry) Or will we slam the breaks and get out sooner than later? (Dean) Without our presence in Iraq and Saudi, would OPEC make the switch to the Euro?

I see this as an unwinable situation. Because our foreign policy and everything else (i.e. infrastructure) is built upon OIL. Even if we suddenly embraced persuing alternative forms of fuel, it would still be decades away from being able to sustaine our society. Do we have to continue this insane foreign policy for the United States to remain the global economic hegemon? Do we have to continue this suicidal foreign policy so that OPEC won't switch to the Euro? (That would be catostrophic for the U.S., possibly reducing us to a third world economy.)

Have we come too far to turn back now? Unfortunately, I think that answer is yes.

[Edited on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

posted on Jan, 21 2004 @ 04:11 PM
Finally good to have someone come out and say it. Bush and his cronies are evil.

posted on Jan, 21 2004 @ 04:21 PM

Originally posted by MrJingles
Finally good to have someone come out and say it. Bush and his cronies are evil.

adj. eviler, evilest

Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful.

Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.

Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.

Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction: a leader's power to do both good and evil.

An evil force, power, or personification.
Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction: the social evils of poverty and injustice.

That definitely sounds like Bush & Co

posted on Jan, 21 2004 @ 04:22 PM

Originally posted by MrJingles
Finally good to have someone come out and say it. Bush and his cronies are evil.

Double evil, friend.

posted on Jan, 21 2004 @ 08:30 PM
First off ECK, besides articles detailing or "hypothesizing" an economic collapse of the US 'if' OPEC went/switched to the euro, I'd be interested in seeing some hard evidence, stats, numbers, Greenspan comments on this, systematic economic projections, and/or analysis on this. Reason being is that many people, even those with Ph.D's can "hypothesize" all they want, lets see the hard evidences to show the thinking behind the "hypothesis".

Issues of and on US foreign policy and economics are far and wide, and have always been such. What you are saying is nothing different from what was said during the Vietnam Era, or during the years of Reagan's presidency. 'Alarms' and the "bells and whistles" have been going for quite some time and as I have mentioned before, are not regulated to this current presidential administration. Maybe the difference is that with this day and age of instantaneous information, the passing and giving or posting of such, it has been made more prevelant or been brought more to the fore-front of the average everyday world citizen.

IMHO, I don't see how two articles, or however more that can be presented, can fully assertain, with factual correctness, probability, and perfect foresight, just "exactly" will befall the US. Again, these same "bells and whistles" have occurred in the past on multiple occasions, for a wide variety of reasons.

As for Jak and perhaps a few others and the continued condemnation of US foreign policy, for which you would almost think they had the same access to the same information that those foreign policy makers and think tanks use to determine, through hypothesis or factual evidences, US foreign policy.....try this article, interesting read and dealing/deals with US foreign policy:

"Why The Left Opposes Foreign Intervention"


[Edited on 21-1-2004 by Seekerof]

posted on Jan, 22 2004 @ 01:09 PM
Sorry ECK I dont have that kind of time (thats a pretty long list of nightime reading).

posted on Jan, 22 2004 @ 01:16 PM

Originally posted by dreamrebel
Sorry ECK I dont have that kind of time (thats a pretty long list of nightime reading).

Take a look at this one, for starters.

Russia`s Switch into the Euro signals Decline of US Dollar as a Global Currency
The Global Redlining of America:
Bush Plunges U.S. into Rapid Decline 16 October 2003 21 October 2003
The URL of this article is:


The previously unthinkable is now on the table. Russia, the world's second largest oil exporter, is giving serious consideration to trading its black gold in euros, a switch that would surely set dominos in motion among other oil producing nations and, ultimately, knock the dollar off its global throne.

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