Does it really matter who we vote for or even if we vote?

reply to post by Copernicus


One to one. I convince my friends and colleagues. They convince theirs. Given the unprecedented reach of the internet, there is the capacity to kick-start a major upswell in this country. But it will take individual effort to make it happen.

I live in the same society you do. The post-9/11, Patriot Act, Patriot Act II, The Constitution-is-an-anachronistic-piece-of-paper, Iraq has WMD, Mission accomplished, I don't need no stinking warrants US of A. The one where prostesters are now forced to stay within fenced-in areas far from the events they are protesting while under heavily armed police guard. Where protesters are tazed for speaking out. That one. That's the society I now live in. Not much like the one I lived in back in the 60's but the one I wake up to very day.

reply to post by jtma508


Well, I actually dont live in the US, but I see what happens very clearly from the outside, maybe even clearer. I think you guys need to have demonstrations, because once the internet is requiring the Real ID, you have lost your right to anonymous one-to-many communications. And dont think that they wont do that, it would be perfectly legitimate to say that the Internet is used to coordinate terror attacks on America. Will you have demonstrations when that happen you reckon? Im not so sure, because its difficult to know when to act when things change gradually. Ever heard of the boiling frog that doesnt jump out because he is getting used to the temperature? Same thing here.

It really is too bad that only a fraction of the people read sites like this. Most of them go to Fox News or whatever and gets fed more of the lie. I really hate seeing it.


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I vote in every election, national and local, as I have the right to do so, and there are many people on this planet who do not enjoy, what I see as the most basic of rights, and people have died to ensure that I continue to have the ability to vote

If you take any national election, you can make the point that how you as a single voter vote, have little impact if any impact. It is the collection of all the voters that makes the difference.

To answer the OP's question, for me, it counts more when I can hold the person I vote or voted for accountable. And at a local (parish, local, regional) council level, I will know people on the ballot paper. They, for the most part, live in the community and I see them out and about, doing the shopping, recycling, etc, so I have a greater opportunity to let them know my views, and if I am happy with what they are doing.

I attend the polling station for national elections, but have to admit that I have not always cast a vote for a candidate all the time. My vote, if I do not put an X in a box is classed as spoilt.

I find making my MP accountablity a waste of time as he will listen but doing nothing. I found my MP is more interested in what the party are wanting him to say and do and he also trots out the party line on any issue, local or national, so for be, it begs the question, why bother to vote for your MP, if at the election, you do not agree with his or her politics.

I fully agreed with the idea of a "none of the above" on the ballot paper but would balance this with making voting a legal requirement (and there have been threads on this and it is not my intention to rail road the intention of the OP and this thread, just expressing my view!!)

I do not have enough information to comment on the NWO and the likes control of the national election process. Electronic voting does concern me as who controls and manages the audit process, and what happens if the process has been tampered with?

If we are going to an all digital form of voting soon, I think every machine should print out not only a printed record, but also a receipt with confirmation number for the voter to take home.

Even with that, I would be doubtful (considering popular vote doesn't win either), but I would probably vote.

I may vote now, but really it will most likely be a group thing at work anyways... I have absolutely no faith in the system as it is now.

Originally posted by whaaa

It's a brave new world; welcome to the monkey house!!!!!!

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Have you ever wondered if the island exist, if we can get there, or maybe already are?

I had to look up monkey house, that's where Harrison Bergeron came from! I always could not figure out why I had not heard the title of the book, I thought it must just be a screen play. The tv movie was so good. I have to get that book now, thank you for your comment.

I figured its by brave new world, must mean something. I guess I missed reading that one.

What difference does it make?Since corporations own all the candidates and dictate all the issues in the media it doesnt matter who is supposedly elected.It used to be different but not for a long time now.Give us our country back!!!

reply to post by Chorlton


Nice work Chorlt !!! Damn you are an old bugger, aren't ya ?? That was a year after I was born

heheheheh

Seriously, I'm going to keep that excuse firmly in the back of my noggin should I ever need to use it

Peace

reply to post by Rilence


I dont think that defence is valid now as the department that runs the elections (in WA at least) has changed.
That was a memorable day as Bon Scott was up after me and he got a $50 fine. We were flatmates at the time. Those were the days
Peace and love man !!

reply to post by Chorlton


Yeah maybe things have changed mate...But ya must realise us convicts have devious minds as default...We can get ourselves out of all sorts of situations by being dodgy

Howdy all.

There are some very good and thoughtful posts here. At least some of you are actually thinking about the state of the nation and what might be done about it.

Here's a thought -- our whole society is run on money. Money talks and BS walks, right? So what if everyone (or at least a sizeable majority) simply quit sending their hard-earned money to Washington to subsidize the jerks that desire to tyrannize us? Y'all probably don't know this because of the controlled mass media but today there is probably as much as 30 percent of eligible taxpayers who are simply not paying their taxes. Some observers of the tax protest scene claim it is even much higher than that. What if this number was pushed to 60 percent or higher? Anyone seen the film "V For Vendetta"? What if a majority of Americans simply failed to "voluntarily comply" with their tax forms and instead marched on Washington, went into government offices and told the bureaucrats that they were being "downsized" and to go home and get a real job?

If this seems too radical, then how about a majority of the people in America simply boycott buying from some giant multinational corporation for, say, just one month? Surely, we could all suffer through one month of shopping somewhere else. You'd better believe that Walmart or Enco or (Dutch) Shell or BP (British Petroluem) or McDonald's would change their ways pretty quick. After all, they all depend on us consumers.

You see, as I said earlier, there are more of us than there is of them. We simply have to get organized, in communication and work for the benefit of all just as those globalists have organized and worked to maintain the profits and control for themselves.

Jim Marrs

Look up the candidates, both remaining, and those eliminated for their CFR memberships. Almost every candidate originally in the race is CFR, and all of the remaining candidates are CFR.

reply to post by Jim Marrs


I chuckled when I read your post because it reminded me of one of my own little notions.

Wouldn't it be awkward and troublesome if people could be pursuaded to take all their savings out of their banks and deposit it all with one bank for a week or so, and then move it all to another bank. I mean move all savings from all banks into one bank only for a week. Just to send a message. Money can talk and walk.

There's a lot of dogs in Washington that need to be brought to heel.

Howdy Y'all,

Some of you have made very pertinent points regarding the loss of your vote due to hacked computer voting machines, the containment of votes thanks to the multi-million dollar corporate mass media that recognizes only two parties, and the fact that the three leading candidates today are all under the control of the same globalist oligarchy.

But, unlike too many countries, the United States at least still gives lip service to the idea of universal sufferage and a free vote. So, perhaps one way to change things is to turn out the largest vote in US history with everyone voting against the three publicized candidates. Since Dr. Ron Paul is already aligned with the long-established Republican Party (and also was the Liberatarian presidential candidate in 1988) and has vocally supported the Constitution, I feel he would be the best alternative. But, if you have to, vote for the Libertarian candidate to be decided in late May or vote for Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney or, heck, the Green Party -- anything except the Republicrats who have gotten us into our current mess.

The monied controllers can fudge a few thousand votes here and there but if they are faced with forging millions of votes, the game might be up for them as they will be forced to show their hand. Perhaps then the somnolent public will finally wake up and realize that they have been taken for a ride all the years.

The public needs to work together rather than be divided by extremist political philosophies. True conservatives can devise workable solutions for a national healthcare plan just as well as true liberals. Even corporatist consumerism can work if there is a free and uncontrolled mass media to give consumers truthful information. If everyone knew as much about the dangers of aspartame as I do, they would stop buying diet soft drinks containing this dangerous substance. Once enough people stopped buying, the corporations would stop producing this and move on to something else.

But for society to work as constituted, the federal government must be overhauled and both corrupt politicians and bureaucrats turned out. Government should be nothing more than the referee that guarantees everyone a level and fair playing field. Unfortunately, today the multi-national corporations buy up government overseers and the public suffers. This is part of the Grand Plan to destroy the cohension of the United States so that the long-suffering public will accept the North American Union, which, along with the European Union and the soon to be created Asian Union, will constitute the New World Order otherwise known as National Socialism.

Jim Marrs