Police caught on tape threatening to destroy and invent evidence

Originally posted by Aneta


Anyone that does't think cops lie to serve their own interests... wake up. Not all cops lie. But not all criminals broke the law either!

Oh man thats a bad story, do you regret not doing anything now?

Originally posted by addvantage666

I walked out of that police station with a changed attitude about pigs. I lost all respect for them. They earned it!

Oh im sorry, I'm sure there are some good cops, but a lot are really annoying, they are so rude, basically some of the rudest people Ive talked to.

Does this guy still live across from you, Damn I would have half killed him, I don't care if hes in a wheelchair. I hope every thing is good now for you? are thing back to normal?

It looks like this is now in the hands of the prosecutor's office for St Louis County. You can inform the DA's of your thoughts via phone or email listed on their website @ www.co.st-louis.mo.us...

I too was pulled over for speeding. And the officer wrote the ticket up so that it would not assess points on my license.
Why? Because I didn't give her any mouth, and because I had the little stuicker thing in the back of my window that said I support something or another, I can't even remember, I just gave the people my 10 bucks, lol.

I wanted to ask Dr. Love, now that it seems that this was not an isolated incident, that this officer has a record that includes pleading guilty of assault and stealing in two different cases, as well as records of an acquittal for drunken driving and an assault arrest that did not result in charges, what do you now say?
Do you still think that this was isolated, that this officer was just having a bad night. Are you still defending his actions?
Forgive me for trying to understand, but I need to see how the indefensible can be defended.

I love this quote from the new story that Lt Dragonfire dug up..

Paul Keene, a city alderman, said that although Kuehnlein shouldn't have lost his temper with Darrow, the city's police officers act appropriately.

Ummm Alderman Keene, did you not see the tape. Tell me again that THIS officer acted appropriately. Or is it the city's officers, except THIS one acts appropriately.

Here it is folks, a happy ending to an unfortunate story. Just found this little piece of justice on the net. Kuddos to the brave young lad and his camera.
The fat lady has sung!( no offence meant to any lady who is gravitationally challenged)
www.stltoday.com...

[edit on 20-9-2007 by redbarron626]

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by addvantage666

I walked out of that police station with a changed attitude about pigs. I lost all respect for them. They earned it!

Oh im sorry, I'm sure there are some good cops, but a lot are really annoying, they are so rude, basically some of the rudest people Ive talked to.

Does this guy still live across from you, Damn I would have half killed him, I don't care if hes in a wheelchair. I hope every thing is good now for you? are thing back to normal?

My wife wanted to run over him and had the chance, but the better part of her refrained, and I'm sure she would have been found guilty.

My daughter is 21 now, but I am far more saddened in what I have found in these recent days;

My daughter befriended an old man who was striken with polio. He promised to buy her a car after she graduated. Her behavior around this old man raised our concerns. We chided her many times, but she keeps going back to see him. Several months ago, this old fart came to our house with our daughter and a story about how the cops are going to come to see us and tell us some very bad news. Sure enough, as they were still there, the cops came, two of them. They started pushing their questions at me as though I were an unconcerned father. I was incensed at the fact that anything happened at all, and that they felt it was their duty to tell me. at the time I didn't know who to believe, and whatever I said caused the cop to leave in disgust at me. Fair game. I reached to shake his hand (hoof) and he said he would NOT shake my hand. (He already did at our introduction).

Unfortunately, that pig was right, that old man and my daughter were engaged in very questionable behavior. And last weekend gave proof; I saw a video clip of him and my daughter engaged in this "spanking fetish" where she is bent over his knees and he is spanking her naked bottom. So there is yet to be a confrontation between me and him.

What happens to the psyche of a person who is molested as a child? Would her drifting into such sexual perversion be a result? I don't know what legal recourse I could have, since she is of legal age, and out of my guardianship.

If anyone finds a "MySpanking" video with a scrawny peg-legged polio old man spanking a dark-haired young woman (20 - 21) let me know. I want to know if he's selling it on the internet.



[edit on 24-9-2007 by addvantage666]

Police are now staking out Darrow's home in an overt attempt to intimidate the young motorist who garnered international attention after posting a video of an out of control 'peace officer' on youTube.

www.thenewspaper.com...

Google Video Link

If any of you guys that live in the St. Louis region continue to hear anything on the local news, please keep us updated. Your insights are much appreciated!

To the concerned father: If your daughter is an adult, and likes to get spanked, there is nothing you can do about it but have a talk to her and suggest coulseling to find out why she feels a need to be punished. To some people, they see sex as bad and evil; getting a license from the state to have sex ( marriage license ) does not make the cat OK to many people, who have been told all their lives that it is ' wrong ' or bad.

Therefore, they seek to be punished for feeling sexual urges, as they see it as a bad thing.Did you give the girl spankings when she was young and then tell her how much you loved her afterward? Normal for many parents, but to some psyches, it can mean a linkage that can last a lifetime if not dealt with. She may feel safe with a man in a wheelchair that cannot do any real sexual acts to her, and still give her the ' punsihment ' that she feels she deserves for having urges she considers ' unclean ' or bad.

Sexual urges are strange things and manifest in many ways, as we all know. There is no real harm done in a case like yours, but it is a disturbing thing to realize that a child of yours may have some deep seated issues to deal with. None of it may be anyones ' fault ' so do not torture yourself over it; if you were a decent and caring parent, and your daughter was never molested or given any reason to act out this way, then she needs to talk to a professional and sort out her deepest felings and attitudes.

How did the cops get involved anyway? Did someone see them and complain? How did it get to their attention, and why would an adult child be taken to their parents and cops talking about private adult conduct anyway? It sounds to me like the cops went WAY over their authority in this matter: They probbaly se anything that they do not do as ' sick ' and if they came and told you about private conduct that did not violate any laws, then they were wrong and could be sued for privacy violations, etc.

I too would be upset if I found out that my adult daughter liked to get spanked as part of some fulfillment in in life or sexual mnakeup, but I would be outraged for some scumbag cop to be involved and making judgements. He would'nt shake your hand? So what? You just saved getting cooties from some cop, consider yourself lucky. I hate cops, and if they stick their hand out to me I would have to restrain myself from spitting in it. What business is it of THEIRS what two adults do in private?

Maybe the arrangement works well for them; some poor sucker in a wheelchair who probably cannot have sex anymore getting a little rush from some hanky panky spanky stuff, while your daughetr gets a risk free way to indulge her deep seated emotions while not actually engaging in sexual acts.Weird maybe, but harmful, not really. Unless it got morbid or chronic no real harm is done. It may keep your kid from developing normally in ways, but at least now you can SUGGEST psychological counseling to help her see why she feels a need to be spanked in order to deal with her emotions.

Sometimes, a mind will relate spankings in childhood to love: A person might feel LOVED when being spanked, as parents are always telling kids they spank that they are doing it because they love them and want the best for them.Parents even tell kids that ' it hurts me more than you ' which reinforces in the mind of the spankee that they are getting the lesser punishment and therefore not as bad as it seems. So some kids with fragile ego's may develop a relationship between the act of spanking and being loved ...has your daughetr been assured of love through her life?

Many times as kids grow older, we tell them less and less that we love them: Think about how many times you told your young kids that you loved them: Then think about how FEW times you told them that after they got older. Some people may seek love and the assurance of being loved, and if they do not sense it or feel it in a measure great enough to satisfy their emotional needs, they will resort to strange conduct to get that feeling back. See? It is complicated and deep seated, and cannot be explained easily or simply as ' perverted ' or ' wrong '.

The worst thing you can do is condemn her, and tell her that she was bad or wrong; she was obviously seeking a demonstration of love, even in the forms that are unconventional, so fill that need with genuine love. Tell her you love her very much, and that you are concerned, of course, and that you would like it if she talked to someone qualified to try and figure out WHY she needs to express her needs in such a manner. If you make her feel dirty or weird she will retreat further from you and ionto the arms of anyone who will fulfill that need.

Compassion, understanding and love will make the difference with her.Somewhere along the line your daughter got her connections crossed, and needs to examine them fully and honestly, and that cannot be done with condemnation and guilt as baggage. When she is getting spanked, she may get an intense feling of being a little girl again, much loved and in the arms of a loving parent, getting her just desserts for some act; life being a simple and uncomplicated series of feelings and emotions. It is not as bad as you may think, and I am sure that with professional help she can get her desires and emotions sorted out with no damage to her or the family.

Just because it is a ' weird ' situation does NOT mean that you should get all worked up and worried, that will only hinder healing. Just imagine how embarrassed she was to have her secret exposed, and by cops, of all people; judgemental, ignorant and bigoted cops are the worst messengers of news. How they got involved I don't know but they have no part in this and should get back to stopping crimes and not peeping into peoples private lives. Plus, remember that even in ' soft ' porn and even Tv shows today you see spankings as part of a ' normal ' sexual tryst, a little spanking as part and parcel of a sexual romp is no big deal in and of itself.

Where it becomes an issue is when it is seen as perversion and a replacement for regular sexual tendencies, which may NOT be the case at all.What is worse? Having a kid who gets a spanking from an essentially helpless and passive person or running around sleeping with every guy she ' dates ' as normal?Better a few slaps on the fanny( Brits please replace with 'butt') than slaps in the face from a brutal boyfriend.

wow! not surprising, but still shocking all the same.

reply to post by eyewitness86


Well, it's equally likely that the daughter just likes to get spanked. There are people that truly enjoy pain. They're called masochistic. Perhaps she realized early on in life that she liked pain, and just went with it. That's just as likely as what you've said.

Sometimes, the simplest explanation suffices better than the most convoluted ones.

TheBorg

reply to post by ShadeTree Philosopher


what police department do you work for? i need to know before i drive thru it!

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Well golly gee isn't this a surprise

FOX2NEWS

Uhrig is upset because he hoped to see a second version of what happened, from the in car camera in Kuehnlein's cruiser. But Uhrig says for reasons he can't explain, there is no tape from the officer's car.

Don't you just love when it's the cop in question but when it's one of us the tapes are therhow that always happens e.

[edit on 12-9-2007 by Simon_Boudreaux]

What did uhrig expect t see on the officers tape anyway? did he expect it to be different?His camera was switched to "what happens here stays here"
also did it ever occur to anyone that turning off the tape is paramount to an admission of guilt,AND THAT IT WAS PREMEDITATED????????????????

also that 'chief"...he's a criminal too. if that had been my daughter he wouldn't have been a security guard. he is guilty of a sex offense. doesn't it seem that a couple of criminals retained the right to be diguised as police,even after they had comitted crimes,with uhrig as the chief to protect his little tribe ?it's all too convienient

TheBorg: Sure, maybe she is masochistic, which is a person that derives SEXUAL pleasure from receiving pain, but they are pretty rare and even if true, she would still benefit from counseling to try and find out WHY she likes pain in a sexual rewference. You sound like just being a pain lover is OK and as simple as that> It is not.

If a person gets their kicks from pain, it can and has escalated to a point where someone gets hurt, and badly. Taking a chance on whoever is inflicting the pain being a calm and reserved person is a joke..it could get out of hand and fast.

My advice stands: Get some help for her IF she wants it, and do not panic. It does NOT matter what her underlying motivations are as far as the family is concerned, they just want her safe and as NORMAL as possible. If a person relates pain to pleasure then they have issues for sure that need to be examined. Just letting it go is asking for trouble and harm.People get accustomed to varying degrees of pain and it might take much more the next time, and cause real harm.

So unless you are a professional in psychiatry I will assume that your comments are meant as a barren attempt at humor; you certainly do NOT give any helpful solutions or advice, just a guess as to her inner motivations, and those are unknown, of course. Sadists and masochists are people with issues, and not operating in the normal realm of things. Sure, some can go a whole lifetime without any overt problems, but many others will find themselves trapped in a cycle of violence and destructive urges, and THAT is surely something for a parent to worry about.

The LIKELIHOOD you allege is a guess as well, a person need not be a sexual masochist receiving gratification from the violent acts, it may be cathartic rather than overy relief, so you are just as likley to be wrong, and with a whole lot less thought and reason behind your comments.

Uhh in my experience most women like to be spanked, bitten, scratched, etc.

Nothing that needs a therapist. Simply the human animal at work.

Originally posted by eyewitness86
TheBorg: Sure, maybe she is masochistic, which is a person that derives SEXUAL pleasure from receiving pain, but they are pretty rare and even if true, she would still benefit from counseling to try and find out WHY she likes pain in a sexual rewference. You sound like just being a pain lover is OK and as simple as that> It is not.

I never said that I believed that. I was merely suggesting another alternative. The truth is that both are equally possible. Just because she likes pain isn't a bad thing. THAT, in my very humble opinion, should be left up to the individual.

If a person gets their kicks from pain, it can and has escalated to a point where someone gets hurt, and badly. Taking a chance on whoever is inflicting the pain being a calm and reserved person is a joke..it could get out of hand and fast.

And to be fair, there are people that "role-play" for the sake of the thrill. There's no harm in any of it, and they derive extreme pleasure out of it. Do I think that's good or right? I'm in no place to judge them or their behavior, as I'm not them. For anyone to attempt to judge them without knowing them is quite arrogant and, in my opinion, pretentious.

My advice stands: Get some help for her IF she wants it, and do not panic. It does NOT matter what her underlying motivations are as far as the family is concerned, they just want her safe and as NORMAL as possible.

" As far as the family is concerned", I can agree wholeheartedly with. We do agree on this. Perception is often misleading though. So be wary when making hasty judgments about people that you do not know.

If a person relates pain to pleasure then they have issues for sure that need to be examined.

This is purely your biased opinion, based on the words of a 3rd party. We don't know the whole story surrounding the case, and even if we did, who are we to tell the woman that she's "abnormal" for having those desires? It seems to me like people are quick to label others as being something less than human, just to "treat" them. That's a problem which I think needs to be analyzed more so than anything else. It might prove to be an interesting study.

So unless you are a professional in psychiatry I will assume that your comments are meant as a barren attempt at humor; you certainly do NOT give any helpful solutions or advice, just a guess as to her inner motivations, and those are unknown, of course.

I'm glad that we agree on the fact that we cannot know what her "inner motivations" are.

Sadists and masochists are people with issues, and not operating in the normal realm of things. Sure, some can go a whole lifetime without any overt problems, but many others will find themselves trapped in a cycle of violence and destructive urges, and THAT is surely something for a parent to worry about.

Another thing we agree on is that parents should definitely worry about their children, should they exhibit any of these symptoms. However, if the person makes a personal decision to indulge in something of this nature out of pure interest, and they find it appealing, who are we to label them "people with issues, and not operating in the normal realm of things?" Not you, nor I. No one is qualified enough to tell another what they can and cannot like to do in their spare time. To say otherwise would be foolish.

The LIKELIHOOD you allege is a guess as well, a person need not be a sexual masochist receiving gratification from the violent acts, it may be cathartic rather than overy relief, so you are just as likley to be wrong, and with a whole lot less thought and reason behind your comments.

Well, so long as you're willing to accept the possibility that you may also be wrong, I believe we can agree to disagree. The one thing I would like to point out here is that what we all may consider "fringe behavior" could very well be nothing more than an innate desire to try something new. Experimentation and curiosity is a natural thing for humans, as we are inquisitive creatures by default. To fault individuals because of this feature, or in your opinion, a flaw, is quite demeaning, and I think rather insulting to them.

To be completely fair though, I want to state that I side with you in the opinion that this doesn't seem like a good thing to be doing. I just want to say that I'm not so quick to judge people based on a lifestyle choice, whereas others seem eager to do nothing but single out people for "treatment".

As always, this is my $0.02. Take it for what it's worth. I'm neither qualified, nor am I experienced in this field. However, if I were in a similar situation, I wouldn't approve of someone that I've never met telling me that I'm not normal, and that something is wrong with me. That, in and of itself, would be more damaging than anything else. It would lead me to think less of myself, ruin my self confidence, and incline me to delve further into the behavior that they think is somehow harmful to me. Again, caution should always be used when analyzing human behavior.

I understand and accept your accreditation as inferred, and can definitely see where you are coming from. But quite frankly, you might be mistaken. She might truly like what she's doing to herself.

TheBorg

This just in:

St. George gets 28% of its revenue from speeding tickets!! This is not quite as bad as a few others that get a whopping 61% of their revenue from speeding tickets!!! That is insane!!

This is a very serious problem as it exposes numerous opportunities for abuse!

www.ksdk.com...

County Club Hills 61%
Bella Villa 59%
Bel-Ridge 48%
Calverton Park 56%
Moline Acres 41%

St. George 28%

Small towns or Villages like St George scrape the bottom of the barrel when they hire police officers. Its no wonder that they hired one who was convicted of stealing & assault


According to one site.

St. George. It's one-fifth of a square mile of small brick homes and condominiums — amid a sea of small brick homes and condominiums — at Interstate 55 and Reavis Barracks Road in south St. Louis County.

/2wqshl

I also think that this tells allot about the type of police force they run there:

St. George has just under 1,300 people, but its police wrote about 3,000 tickets there in 2005.

/2wqshl

My advice to Darrow still stands and needs to be repeated. Watch your back man!
Don't underestimate what these corrupt so called "Public Servants" are capable of. Back in 1981 the Police Chief of St. George, Chief Milton Russell Schepp worked with the so-called "Syrian underworld" to plant a bomb in a car driven by mobster Paul J. Leisure. Leisure survived the blast, and Schepp went to prison.
/2wqshl

The fact is that these cops are keeping a close watch on Darrow and just waiting for an excuse.

[edit on 2-10-2007 by Sparky63]

Cameras do prevent crime, and maybe that's why the cops hate being taped so much. Even though it is currently perfectly legal, that wont stop them from trying to tell you otherwise;

www.youtube.com...



And they are now trying to pass legislation making it illegal to film them. Gee, i wonder why? "If you've got nothing to hide, then what are you hiding?"

[edit on 10/2/2007 by sp00n1]

I am not a criminal and have no police record and I'm over 50 years old. I've lived in New York City and Florida and have never had any trouble with any police officers.

However, since I moved back to the town where I was born and raised I've seen nothing but officers wanting to act as they are a Police State of this city. Police for years have allowed drug dealing on certain corners and they would pass by like as if nothing wasn't happening. Even the local owner of a store told me "he couldn't do it on his own!" Meaning to stop the drug dealing.

I was once deliberately hit by a truck driver while I was going to a store for some snacks. I was half-way across the street within the white lines for pedestrians to cross. This driver came right at me. I froze and I still say to myself that to this day my umbrella saved me because it was a rainiy night and my hand just naturally dropped down and the nasty motorist lost perception. He hit my umbrella but the force of it propelled me to the ground. I can't described the fright.....etc.

There was a good samaitan who followed that drug and got his license plate and called the accident in. Long story short, the police wouldn't listen to anything I had to say or what the good samaritan was actually demonstrating what he saw. Not only that but the perpetrater returned to the scene of the crime. The police did nothing but to intimidate and harass me. They didn't question the perpetrater, they told the good samaritan to just get back to his van, and they just kept harassing me. Finally, I got so upset that I told the cop, "I guess if it was your wife or child it would be a whole different story!" Then he very viciously screamed at me and said to me "what's your name!!!!!" etc. etc. etc. Not only that but the two officers has no concern for me and when the ambulance showed up they just told them to leave, neaver even bothering to ask if I was hurt. I did call a lawyer but she wasn't helful, so I won't even mention anymore about that.

I've seen a policeman pull over a car while I was eating at a restaurant. He told the guy that if he searched him and he had any drugs on him that he would be arrested. At some point the guy turned over what I believe was coc aine. The cop let the guy go.....but what the heck was the cop going to do with the coc aine.....sure wasn't planning to bring it back to the police station!!!

I have seen far more than this, but in this city the police get away with so much......to make a complaint is like talking to a wall, nothing will be done about it. I would probably get put on their private list of people to continue to harass, and actuallly I have been continually intimidated and harassed in many ways.....cops have their ways!!!

Granted, not all police officers are bad or corrupt, but I always keep in mind that they will always stick up for another fellow officer no matter what kind of lies they have to tell and that includes covering their butts even if it's in court!



Rubyteacup






[edit on 10-10-2007 by Rubyteacup]