He doesn't look like Bin Laden to me.

EDIT: In that video he does. Intriguing. Any previous known videos to compare the voice with?

[edit on 9-9-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

I wonder if this is not actually the Osama video that is supposed to be delivered, and another one will be sent soon. If this was sent before the US Invasion of Iraq, than why is his beard dyed black; Osama sent messages before and after the invasion, and his beard was not black (this person still does not look like Osama).

~Grand

[edit on 9/9/2007 by Nyorai]

dont some people say osama bin laden is dead we dont hear much about him but im not sure what to beleave the worlds full of lies

honestly everytime i see these bin laden videos i just feel this weird vibe about the whole thing..it just doesnt seem "right" to me..i feel like it's a big deception and he's not even saying the things they make him out to be saying..i know sounds weird but i just feel it

it's such a blatant fake. I think everyone knows bin laden is beyond a joke now.

Play the 2004 and the "new" video at the same time. We have two different voices. The tone may be similar but the vocal patterns do no match up at all.

I am a anthropologists specializing in ethnolinguistics

Well...coughs... I had a thread on this 3 days ago when it first broke. But ahem it gets closed.

Also while I was digging around I came across the name Tim Osman.. I'm starting to think 9-11 was a ploy and Bin Laden was the puppet.

You know, I was just watching the news and they mentioned the new tapes (and one supposedly expected soon). They mentioned that Osama wants Americans to "Take up Islam, abandon democracy and capitalism." This phrase (CBS2 News at Noon) brought up an interesting idea. It's probably nothing, but it triggered my thinking muscles.

Is Bin Ladin a prophet? There are enough Americans out there who believe America's ways are going down hill. Abandoning the idea about Islam (or maybe not... maybe the Church is going to go a bit too far in the USA), do Americans still need to forget democracy and capitalism. I kind of think so. I don't believe this 100% I'm not some stickler for this idea, but it makes some sense. Maybe Osama wants us to 'fix' this soon, before the idea about Martial Law that is floating around on ATS lately becomes a reality.

Dunno, it's an idea, though.


/Slash, more on topic.
Bin Ladin = dead = Al Quaeda creates new Bin Ladin = never ending hunt and fear?

[edit on 9/10/2007 by ravenshadow13]

There definitely seems to be two different Bin Ladens in those vids. They don't appear to be the same person. Bin Laden (2004) looks older, whereas Bin Laden (2007) looks younger. In addition, his facial features aren't matching. I just don't think they're the same person.

[edit on 10-9-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

The voice does sound clearer, and possibly filtered, but in hte first video from 2001 there was back round music.

Perhaps the reason for the frame freeze is that it took several takes to get what he wanted from the video. So instead of going back and forth through the video editing he just read the script and froze the frame. The message is very pristene, when you think about what he says, it's very true.

Unlike G.W. Osama Bin Laden doesn't just come out to say what he is thinking off the top of his head and mesh a bunch of things together. He is stating what is going on, behind the scenes.

It's true the US has killed more than any terrorist, or enemy ever has. Think about how many innocent people alone dies in Heroshima, Vietnam, and now in Iraq. And why? because they lived there.

I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and it was another country say China doing this to the US they wouldn't stand for it. So why does the US expect anyone else to?

If you agree with the war in Iraq but don't understand the fact that it's not about Democracy, patriotism, or Freedom then what reason do you have to agree?

I see people with these bumper stickers that say "if you don't stand behind the troops you might as well stand in front of them" Well no, Im not going to stand anywhere near that.

I believe in defending yourself against an enemy, but what has an innocent civilian in Iraq that you've never met before ever done to you that means the Military has the right to kill them?

Let's not forget that Al-Quaeda is the monster the US created, now that they can't control it they play it to be the Boogy man out to get you.
Attempting to rally your support for needless violence.

Instead of listening to lying, cheating, theives in office who don't give a damn if you live or die but as long as they make a buck off it they are happy. Why don't you attempt to do some research your self to find out whats really happening.

parry noid, any substantial evidence to prove anything you are claiming?

The United States has many enemies and to make a bold claim that we have killed more people (I assume you mean civilians and not enemy combatants) in my eyes is just attrocious.

For what it's worth, he was still responsible for the planning and execution of the deaths of thousands of American citizens. Despite the lies and cheating, I don't think the US government has ever executed that many people in one go (American Citizens that is). Right now in my eyes Osama is the worse entity. I say entity because I'm not sure what his status is.

I think the men in both videos are different. It's a little too convenient. The long frame freezes I mean.

Shattered OUT...

Forgery by whom?

i suspect that Adam Pearlman, aka; Adam Gadahn. aka; Azzam al-Amriki

is the one who made the video & most likely wrote most of the scripted message.


But, it remains to be determined If "Gadahn", alias "al-Amriki",
who singlehandedly comprises the english speaking 'arm' of
an al-Qaeda media communications department.....

is a: Mossad agent, a CIA asset, independent contractor, or an Al-Qaeda operative.



If in case #2, the creator of the OBL video message is a CIA asset,
then we might be able to link the 'final warning' from OBL for Americans
to convert to Islam (as required in Islam law before a murdering event(s) can come to pass).,
actually fits pretty well with the (as rumor has it) missing 150KT nuke
missing on that B-=52 run from MN to Lousiana....

here's the scenario....a Jihad warning for infidels to convert/submit to Islam before a terror attack occurs is the reason for the new OBL tape.
The missing nuke, unknown to the public, has been hijacked by an AQ cell
somewhere along the Rockey Mountain chain...
(see articles by www.prisonplanet.com/ or www.stevequayle.com/)
during the B-52 mixup on 30 August'07.


Who's setting up whom, a ? false flag ? operation by whom?
the ball's in your (the readers) court, about all once can reasonably do is prepare for the worst, no matter who's doing what to whom.