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Originally posted by IAF101
All this orange haze on this thread is repulsive...............
Every fool who wants to take up the street to protest expect that the people of this city will welcome them with open arms ? No way, I'm willing to waste my time circumventing traffic for the retarded interpretations of the few.
If they have a problem they can file a lawsuit with a court.
As for that whole commie crap about "the richest economies have the strongest unions" thats a laugh! I'm sure thats why the Soviet Union operating the most powerful trade union couldnt make enough bread to feed their folk ?
Get a clue.
Originally posted by StellarX
I am open to suggestions if you think another color would be more 'attractive'. If you have suggestions as to how i can get my points across faster that would also be helpful.
While the criminal system still provides riches they may very well aid in it's defense but as far as i can tell most who defend the actions of such systems are just very badly informed or indoctrinated.
Originally posted by IAF101
Yes, drop this long winded quote /unquote fest. Its like a bad Technicolor hell.
I dont even understand what the hell this statement means but I think you were trying to sound intelligent in there somewhere..
And yes I'm that well off that I can file a lawsuit and so are most Americans, which you would know if you were little more than google educated.
That WW2 assertion that the Soviet citizens lived better is so ridiculous its sad. I'm sure Stalin would give you a medal for that. Probably give you that commie title you like to keep shouting every now and again -"commissar" !
But for the rest of us who are in touch with reality and for the thousands of Soviet citizens who managed to live through Stalins rule would sure tell you different.
As for those unions in Scandinavia and across Europe, these are largely impotent and basically serve as an excuse for liberal socialist state sponsored doctrine.
Despite your grand claims of unionism they are still do not have even half the economic might of the USA
But apparently living in a third world country with a history of genocidal oppression gives you first hand knowledge on what it takes to be a proper egalitarian society with a dominant economy.
Originally posted by IAF101
Alex Jones was arrested for one very simple reason. He was being an ass. The official reason however was that he didnt have a permit to operate a sound amplification device. which is true.
Free Speech and all that dancing aside, his people are disrespectful to the dead. Disrespectful of Americans and new yorkers in particular.
And in Ny nobody takes anything lying down. No what ever the hell he believes is upto him and if he wants to protest he can do it in Wisconsin but when you come to the place where thousands of families mourn their loved ones to use their death as a political tool and a gimmick for your propaganda, that crosses a line.
It may not be written in the constitution but it is in people's consciousness and he cant expect that the police and the respectable new yorkers to accept his rubbish.
As for StellarX's;
What I find amusing is your blatantly incredulous claims. You say post world war Soviet union and then you say post Stalin. Unless you are trying to be blatantly disingenuous you cant possibly hope to fall on such shoddy reasoning because I don't think you expect me to believe that you want to skip past 35 years of post ww2 history for the convenience of your flimsy argument do you ?
Now, providing quotes and a few articles that people consider 'proof' would be required only for those willing to educate the ignorant, I have no such intention.
As for your statements being above my head, that would be true if you define babble to be something intelligible, because you see I cant comprehend babble.
In the USA when one feels that they have been denied a constitutional guarantee and files a suit in a court of law to address this grievance, it is definitely addressed.
t maybe something your legal system in your country doesn't comprehend but in advanced nations with a tradition of democratic rule like mine, we take our constitutional guarantees seriously. Our systems might not conform to your perceptions of democracy but to us your perceptions of democracy are irrelevant.
Coming to the ridiculous assertion about the Scandinavian unions and the like and about the "limitations" of their nations for their backwardness, I find that to be a shallow defense at best because obviously the Scandinavians have some of the greatest resources under their control for their population size and their relative obscurity in international affairs even gives them an edge as they dont have to commit resources to solving international problems.
Despite all these advantages they havent even been able to come into the top 5 economies of the world no matter how hard they try.
Apparently, more union alloted breaks and less work makes Volvo sell out to Ford Motors
Do you know how many NY's actually believe that the government were at least responsible for the events of 9-11 due to their admitted inaction? Lets get a number from you before you continue defending people that don't even share your opinions.
As that was what i fact claimed and stated ( i think i said shortly after the second world war and Stalin died in 53') i do stand on that knowing that conditions in China, India, South America, Africa were worse than those in the USSR.
In theory that's the case and that must explain why more than half the prison population in the USA is African American when they make up about 11% of the population. So much for their 'constitutionally rights' i suppose? Who can afford to defend their 'rights' in American courts and how many actually experiences the luxury of a jury trail? Do you have actual numbers or have you bought into the propaganda like everyone else?
Originally posted by OptionToChoose
Surely -- by now -- Alex Jones knows that a permit is needed to film in NYC, and have we confirmed that he does not indeed have one? . . . what is the official word on exactly why he was arrested? . . . seems more info is needed.
Dahl, I got a bit of a chuckle out of that one, myself. Maybe AJ is a bit radical in the eyes of some; yet, maybe that's what it takes to get a point across, today.
Maybe he's fighting for what he believes in . . a fight for a free republic, governed in the interest of the People who populate a land of prosperity, opportunity and open speech.
Maybe many who treasure Justice and Truth will never be arrested for such a fight.
Originally posted by IAF101
Okay I have to use quotes here because with so much prattle I have to weed out the more ridiculous bits..
Get a number from me ? Why should I give you anything? Not that your ridiculous assertion that there is really some "numbers" here to give you here because there arent and I know this for a fact.
On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.
The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as "very conservative" supported the claim.
But I do know however that at least 70% New yorkers dont support the truthers BS. What kind of idiot does it take to watch 2 planes hijacked by terrorists crash into the buildings in front of your eyes and see the buildings come down and then claim that it was the "Government" ! New Yorkers arent that retarded.
But obviously sitting in some third world hole gives you better "insight" as to what New Yorkers think right?
What do I know about ny ? I know much more than you could possibly ever know half a world away through some computer screen because I live and breathe here.
And no 9/11 was not used to further any "occupation" because we have not occupied any country. Every country which has US troops has their own democratically elected leadership. That WE enabled and that wants us here.
As for why I think Alex Jones is scum, I think I've made myself clear in my last post. Read it again.
So now its China, India, South America is it?? Such a pathetic cop out!
Your attempt at being disingenuous is pathetic because you know as well as I do that you were talking about the West and America specifically and you stated how unionized economies did so well compared to non-unionized ones.
The citizens of the USSR lived far better than the vast majority of the people of the world since shortly after the second world war
Even the example you give are ridiculous and besides the point because even in China, India and South America after Stalin died there were many more unions than there were in America.
China has the biggest trade union till date, you might have heard of it, its called the Communist party of China ?
India also has a communist party that dates back to the 50s and so do many South American countries.
So you attempts to say something ridiculous as if it were intelligent might work on the kiddies here but not me.
As for your insistence on proof, I dont really care what you insist on because like I said, I'm not here to educate you. I dont have to prove myself to you, if you dont believe me go read up. Thats upto you not me.
I dont know how they say it in Afrikaans but in English we have the saying that "All men are created equal." Now what you consider to be unrealistic that people in the US can actually get legal representation is actually true in this country.
We even have a constitutional guarantee, called the Fourteenth Amendment that says nobody can deny a person equal representation under the law. Obviously something you might have missed out during your 'google studies'.
Coming to the prison demographic you might not yet comprehend the fact that in this country we treat all people equally under the law, so if 100 black people and 1 white man are found guilty of a crime, we wont let 99 black people walk away free to make things "even".
Wrong is wrong, that is the way real jurisprudence works because unlike some we dont have separate courts for white people and separate courts for black people with different yard sticks. All those who are accused are brought to judged in a court of law.
As for affordability, the state provides an attorney free of charge should the accused not have one or the accused can represent himself if he satisfies the prerequisites. I'm sure that a US bar certified attorney here would be far more qualified to represent his client than some third world hack ever could in his country.
In the US you dont need to defend your rights in court, because our courts know the rights of its citizens, instead people here exhibit how their rights were violated instead of trying to defend their rights. Also not all cases have jury trials, something you would know if you actually lived here.
Most cases do not have jury trial here, only a few are brought to trial and tried in a trial court if they are not settled before.
We oppose the government’s plans to limit the right to a trial by jury because we believe they run the risk of creating “executive justice”. What lies behind the government’s thinking in this is that ordinary people are not bright enough to try fraud cases. We completely reject this. It is patronising. The Serious Fraud Office, which is responsible for conducting fraud prosecutions, has an 86 per cent conviction rate. That shows, clearly, in our view, that ordinary people are well able to understand the issues in these cases.
The proposals are also anti-democratic. The Bar wants to keep ordinary citizens at the heart of the democratic process. Having trial by jury is the most democratic way in which the criminal justice system can operate. Ordinary people decide, not judges.
America has the right to jury trial as a constitutional right as does neighbouring countries such as Ireland. Spain wants to introduce trial by jury to its system. Our government wants to erode the right.
Whether the shrinking number of jury trials is good or bad news depends on whom you ask, but one thing is certain: Fewer trials mean fewer trial-ready lawyers.
By some estimates, jury trials have declined to less than 2 percent of all cases filed. The decrease is so pronounced that it sparked a confab of judges, scholars and practitioners at the American Bar Association's recent annual conference in Atlanta. There, 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Patrick E. Higginbotham blamed the falling numbers on clogged dockets, where cases flow through the courts "like a rat through a python."
Between 1962 and 2002, the number of federal civil cases resolved by trial plunged from 11 percent to 1.8 percent, according to a January ABA report, "The Vanishing Trial." And the number of trials per year showed a net drop of more than 20 percent over the same period, starting at 5,802, peaking to 12,529 in 1985 and falling to 4,569, the report concluded. The decline occurred despite a fivefold increase in cases resolved, from about 50,000 to almost 260,000. Federal criminal trials fell from 15 percent to 4.7 percent.
So you see, your fantasy of American jurisprudence that you have developed by sitting in front of your computer does not represent the real world.
Now coming to that Scandinavian nonsense you've been going on about. If you want me to compare territorial extent, population etc then why dont you compare those Scandinavian countries to say Luxembourg or Bermuda ? How do they compare ? Miserably!
You're whole analysis and mode of comparison is flawed, antiquated and foolish in a world of multinational companies and tax free zones.
Those Scandinavians have done nothing extraordinary with or without their unions and the numbers you blindly read off some statistics table means nothing since you dont understand what they mean at all.
To put it simply, unions havent done a damn thing for them and quality of life has nothing to do with unions, natural wealth, territorial expanse or any of that nonsense you are claiming.
Just because one country has a huge territorial boundary and a vast horde for a population doesnt mean they have a better chance or better ability.
Those antiquated factors no longer play a role in this century, something anybody who has an understanding of economics will know.
As for Volvo, they were sold at a bargain because your precious Scandinavians could manage a car company and Ford turned it into a profit.
Why did I bring that up ? Because the biggest unions in the US are in the auto industry and one of the principle reasons for the financial difficulty faced by them right now.
Yet despite their troubles the government does not interfere with private enterprise because this country doesnt subscribe to socialist doctrine like the Euros.
A determination that cannot be made by somebody in a third world country behind a computer educating themselves "virtually"