Alex Jones Arrested In New York

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I don't need a permit.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I don't need a permit.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

No Victim, No Crime, No ID.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

With respect to the several states, I ask that you all start paying close attention to this and start following it.

Originally posted by pavil
No I wouldn't demonstrate as I feel that is a "feel good" measure for those who do the demonstrating. There are process to follow to get legislation and laws changed in this country, I would do those if I really was intent on "making a difference". Ever hear of petition drives ect...?

Demonstrations alone do not change legislation, the reason for demonstrations is to awaken those that do not pursue or question the legislation without it being fed to them in soundbite format, the greater the number of people on a demonstration the greater it's impact on those that require visual stimulation.

I have no doubt that AJ was more than aware of what he was doing, and if I were to be honest, he annoys me something chronic, but unfortunately his kind are necessary.

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reply to post by C0le



If all that were the case wouldn't the Supreme Court have already overturned all of that legislation? You have to look at the whole body of work as the Consitution is a living and breathing document. I mean the Bill of rights wasn't even a part of it at first.

pavil, are you aware of how many civil rights protests had permits in the 50s-70s?

are you seriously trying to say that getting a permit, to protest in a "protest zone" is the route people should take?

no, you basically said that protests are a waste of time. In that case, why even file for a permit - wouldn't that be an ever bigger waste of time?

Let's say we take the petition route. Unless you are going door to door, or inviting people to your house - you would need to take the said petition to the streets... which could also be seen as a form of protest, which could also require a permit.

By this logic, Rosa Parks would have had to get a permit to protest her riding in the front of the bus, but obviously that display would have no effect, right?

reply to post by pavil


About Mitnick,

You know it took them 5 yrs to charge him. Usually it should be 180 days for a hearing on what charges you face. His was 5 yrs..

Don't give me that bs he is a criminal. still don't excuse the right that they waited 5 yrs to do something wit him.

Originally posted by C0le

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

With respect to the several states, I ask that you all start paying close attention to this and start following it.

Alot of states told the government to go fly a kite when they said to enforce the patriot act I and II. so some states follow this..

Originally posted by pavil


If all that were the case wouldn't the Supreme Court have already overturned all of that legislation? You have to look at the whole body of work as the Consitution is a living and breathing document. I mean the Bill of rights wasn't even a part of it at first.

When the dems start pushing to ban ammo, id like to see the Supreme court ruling on such things, as an ammo ban doesn't stop people from owning guns...


There have been rulings from taxes and what not that the supreme court rules on, but the lower courts ignor such things and still support unconstitutional laws... at this time I'm only familiar with tax rulings, but I would venture to say if it happens with these things it happens with others as well.


The bill of rights were always ensured even before they were added, read the founders transcripts of such things, these rights were seen as unalienable birth rights no man, no majority, and no government could take away, they were added not because they were just at that moment given, but added to protect what was already theres, a means of insurance.


Certain standards and practices may indeed change with time, but mans unalienable rights never change, the founders made this very clear, these rights are unalienable and timeless.

the constitution can be expanded and things added, (things that could not have been conceived at that time.) but now are such as for example driving, no its not a constitutional right but its something that could be added..but the protected unalienable rights can never be altered or revoked.

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Originally posted by ThichHeaded

Alot of states told the government to go fly a kite when they said to enforce the patriot act I and II. so some states follow this..

True but a lot of these states also pick and choose, and do not maintain a constitutional standard on everything.

Long time coming, Alex Jones is dispicable and his tactics are clearly those that his masters in the middle east have sponsored to create confusion and chaos in the US. I hope they send him to jail for at least a month.

The whole "Truthers" movement is a sham. These people are traitors and should be treated as such. Back in the day when we in the USA had a problem with Commies, the United States Government stripped them of their citizenship and cast them off as garbage. I believe its time to start that practice again and dispose of these insurrectionist anarchists like Alex Jones and his troupe of malcontents. Send them back to their Communist masters and rid ourselves of these seditious elements in our society.

lol, that post is so ironic, than I can't tell if it's supposed to be sarcastic or not.

AJ = Communist or anarchist? Which is it? - you can't be both!

I hope they send him to jail for at least a month.

well you know what they say... hope in one hand, and * in the other... see which one fills up first

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Anarchists can be of any type, you can have communist anarchists or anarcho-capitalists. There is no such real all encompassing definition of Anarchism. Many schizophrenic people think they are political scientists and come up with their own version of utopia.

reply to post by IAF101


You know there are multiple videos of AJ calling out and getting into arguments with communists right?

Second rather you agree or disagree, its is his and every one's right as AMERICAN CITIZENS and human beings, to protest government for redress and grievances, to deport or revoke citizenship because you don't agree with someone is just pathetic.

I suggest you reevaluate what you said, and thoroughly read the constitution of the united states and all related documents concerning its meaning as told by the founders, because you are in for a rude awakening..

Originally posted by Terapin
It is just a publicity ploy on his part.

He was well aware that a permit was required, and when the police arrived, he created a huge fuss rather than quietly fill out some paperwork.

Why should a US citizen require a permit to operate hand held camera's or even video camera's? Should you get a permit for a cellphone? Are these laws really intended to do anything good?

He WANTED a commotion and getting jailed allows him to claim it was a police state tactic.

Alex clearly tests boundaries but since they are not boundaries Americans should respect all power to him.

It was just his deliberate public disturbance.

And now public disturbances are illegal? How will you fight to get your rights back if you can't 'disturb' anyone?

Personally, I hope he gets more than a weekend in jail. Idiots like that should be kept off the street.

Well there are always openings in the commissar class and since it comes with good rewards you might want to consider making a profit from your propagandized and anti democratic views.

Stellar

reply to post by C0le


AS I've said there are many different forms of anarchism. His ilk are the type that dont stand for the principles of free markets and capitalism. They are paranoid about government control and in their paranoia they have gone on a rage campaign causing disruption and spreading slander too often. They can very well be defined as anarchists and malcontents. Our government has thrown out anarchists before like Emma Goldman etc for being disruptive to the US and it can do the same to these punks.

As for our founding fathers, Thomas Jefforson said this is a Christian nation and only by Christian morals and values can we prevail. Why do you conveniently forget about the other things our founding fathers say ? Do you know that our founding fathers had scant regard for traitors to the union ?
Protesting and rallying aside, spreading sedition is an offense against the union.

I hate to have to disagree but!

Originally posted by C0le
The bill of rights were always ensured even before they were added, read the founders transcripts of such things, these rights were seen as unalienable birth rights no man, no majority, and no government could take away, they were added not because they were just at that moment given, but added to protect what was already theres, a means of insurance.

The bill of rights were ADDED due to public pressure; the founding fathers were a bunch of rich capitalists who drew up a constitution that would protect their property from the majority.

Certain standards and practices may indeed change with time, but mans unalienable rights never change, the founders made this very clear, these rights are unalienable and timeless.

I think another look at their writing will reveal that there were some who were for it but that the majority were quite against such 'unalienable rights' and especially as applied to working people and slaves.

the constitution can be expanded and things added, (things that could not have been conceived at that time.) but now are such as for example driving, no its not a constitutional right but its something that could be added..but the protected unalienable rights can never be altered or revoked.

I fully agree and i am only pointing out the previous fact because people should not believe that there will be more 'hero's' that will appear to save them from tyranny; most of the founding fathers were hero's in some sense but not the type of hero's the working poor of the world require or frequently get.

Stellar

reply to post by IAF101

Questioning government isn't a traitor, protesting government isn't a traitor.
they are the very things our founders understood and insured to us.


I ask you this, What foreign power have they aligned themselves with? What country have these men taken up arms with against these United States?
how are these men traitors?


They are protesting FOR the United States, and against a corrupt institution which disregards the Constitution.

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I think you really need to put this into context and that it was the message that they were against. I can pretty much guarantee you that if it was 400 or so people screaming behind the stage of Fox News, that we need to "keep the course" Support the War, Support our troops, that Mr. Geraldo would not be throwing insults at them as he did. If AJ was on a bull horn screaming about how we need to support the war, he still might have been arrested and charged for what he was charged for, (IMO unlikely)
Heck, even if it was a bunch of people out screaming about New York just one some football game, or baseball game screaming in the back ground how their team was No.1, I don't think they would have recieved the bashing that happened to the people who want a new investigation into 9-11.
Fox didn't like the message, and the cops weren't fond of it either and that's why they got that treatment from Geraldo and Company.

Originally posted by IAF101
Long time coming, Alex Jones is dispicable and his tactics are clearly those that his masters in the middle east have sponsored to create confusion and chaos in the US. I hope they send him to jail for at least a month.

Masters in the middle East? That's in my opinion a pretty ignorant and unfounded thing for someone with your type of education to claim, IAF.... ( i am changing this in the hopes that my looking less sure will 'inspire' you to actually find 'something' to validate such a claim)

The whole "Truthers" movement is a sham.

How can that be so when the FBI is still not formally looking for OBL in relation to 9-11?

These people are traitors and should be treated as such.

Traitors to who and what?

Back in the day when we in the USA had a problem with Commies, the United States Government stripped them of their citizenship and cast them off as garbage.

But they were not communist they were CAPITALIST working for foreign powers! They were exactly the elite that were responsible for 9-11 and the vast majority of America's current ills!

I believe its time to start that practice again and dispose of theinsurrectionist anarchists like Alex Jones and his troupe of malcontents.

I am beginning to wonder how i at first arrived at the conclusion that you were intelligent and well informed. Can you provide ANY evidence that Alex Jones is working for , at worse, anyone but Alex Jones ?

Send them back to their Communist masters and rid ourselves of these seditious elements in our society.

Didn't you get the memo about communism being dead and buried? The Yankeees won and the USSR 'fell'! Where have you been!

Another person fit for the commissar class.

Stellar

Editing in bolded

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Originally posted by IAF101
AS I've said there are many different forms of anarchism. His ilk are the type that dont stand for the principles of free markets and capitalism.

Free market capitalism is DESTROYING the united states and much of the world while Scandinavian countries with strong social contracts are thriving. Can you explain why Americans have been getting poorer since the mid 70's and how this makes free market capitalism good for them?

They are paranoid about government control and in their paranoia they have gone on a rage campaign causing disruption and spreading slander too often.

So getting arrested for videotaping stuff in NY should not make anyone paranoid? Interesting how to minds of the commissar class works.

They can very well be defined as anarchists and malcontents. Our government has thrown out anarchists before like Emma Goldman etc for being disruptive to the US and it can do the same to these punks.

Sure it can but is that what people in a supposed free country should have to put up with ? When last did Alex Jones invade a foreign nation killing hundreds of thousands like the state he accuses so frequently does?

As for our founding fathers, Thomas Jefforson said this is a Christian nation and only by Christian morals and values can we prevail.

Right and what on Earth is Christian about what Jnr and his bunch of child abusing gay porn star loving conservative/liberal friends ( well to be fair only a few have been caught ) do on weekends and at their meetings in the grove?

Why do you conveniently forget about the other things our founding fathers say ? Do you know that our founding fathers had scant regard for traitors to the union ?

They were no great supporters of rights for the working people of America...

Protesting and rallying aside, spreading sedition is an offense against the union.

Sure and that's why they allowed for the formations of militias to suppress such acts against government sponsored acquisitive capitalism.

Stellar

Originally posted by C0le

When the dems start pushing to ban ammo, id like to see the Supreme court ruling on such things, as an ammo ban doesn't stop people from owning guns...

Great point Cole , but i would argue that a gun with out ammo is not a gun at all but i high priced paper weight. i would argue that Ammo is covered under the right to bare arms, with out ammo one can not realize this right. But im sure the dems will find a loop somewhere. Or who knows they get tons of cash from the gun lobby and decide guns are good now. LOL

Certain standards and practices may indeed change with time, but mans unalienable rights never change, the founders made this very clear, these rights are unalienable and timeless.

Life , Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (originally it was written the pursuit of property).......... it says you have the right to pursue happiness not find it...LOL had to throw that in there.