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Alex Jones Arrested In New York

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posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 06:07 PM
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You are absolutely correct.

All of this bashing of Alex Jones is pathetic. So many of you US Americans are willing to have your extraordinary Constitution and Bill of Rights thrown away, and I cannot believe that any US Americans would accept the idea of Free Speech Zones, and all the rest of it ... because these types of laws originated with the Soviet Union and the National Socialists in Germany.

This police behaviour and these laws and demands for permits and the carrying of one's papers are completely antithetical to the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and everything your nation has stood for in the past.

Does it really take an old Canadian woman like me to point out to you US citizens what treason is happening under your noses and how the light of liberty that your country once carried is being snuffed out? I certainly hope not, but from my vantage point it looks like an enormous number of you US Americans have bought the lie, surrendered your liberty, and are marching headstrong and headlong into a nouveau Soviet/Nazi perversion of the United States.




posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by Spawwwn
What you all fail to realize is that the constitution states that people have the right to PEACEFULLY assemble. When was the last time you saw a peaceful 9-11 truth demostration? Come on we've all seen the videos of these so called "protests" by these truth clowns. All they do is go up to innocent people minding their own business on the street, and scream in their face how "9-11 was an inside job".


This is your opinion though. What exactly constitutes a peaceful assembly? Can they only hold signs? What if they wore loud Hawaiian shirts, that might offend some people too
. I think if your physically infringing upon others then you are no longer maintaining a peaceful demonstration. Regardless of what you think these people have a right, provided they abide by the law and that includes getting permits, to protest. If the law states that using a bullhorn is illegal so be it, but I'd like to see that one in print.

brill



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by brill

This is your opinion though. What exactly constitutes a peaceful assembly? Can they only hold signs? What if they wore loud Hawaiian shirts, that might offend some people too
. I think if your physically infringing upon others then you are no longer maintaining a peaceful demonstration. Regardless of what you think these people have a right, provided they abide by the law and that includes getting permits, to protest. If the law states that using a bullhorn is illegal so be it, but I'd like to see that one in print.

brill


Hilarious.

Eventually a 'peacfull assembly' will be a group of people voted by the People, later filtered by the mysterious Electoral College, licensed, given non-offensive uniforms as to please any notions of incorrect PC'ness (perhaps white robes?), and they will no doubt be forced to speak in a low monotone voice (unless a hight tone is less offensive?).

Absurd.

People know what a peacefull assembly really means. And if the People have fallen so far from grace that the media's political correction frenzy has distorted the meaning of 'Peace' to the point where People can't even define 'peacefull assembly'... well then, F it. We don't have much hope at that point.

Peacefull assembly means a group of protestors that assemble to speak what they feel is truth. They do not cause harm. If they do, it's no longer a peacefull assembly. At which case the police state can come in. The permit nonsense and all these other preemptive measures are infringing on the freedom of this country. On the freedom the country was allegedly founded on and espoused by its' constitution.

[edit on 9-9-2007 by Cloak and Dagger]



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Cloak and Dagger
The permit nonsense and all these other preemptive measures are infringing on the freedom this country. On the freedom the country was allegedly founded on and espoused by its' constitution.


Agreed. The permit requirements are ludicrous but also the law. What I'm still unable to determine is why Jones was refused the permit, if in fact he actually applied for one or simply tried to ride the coattails of other protesters. When you have to apply to protest, something is fundamentally wrong but what are your options?

brill



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by brill
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Agreed. The permit requirements are ludicrous but also the law. What I'm still unable to determine is why Jones was refused the permit, if in fact he actually applied for one or simply tried to ride the coattails of other protesters.


I'm hesitant to comment too much on that idea as I am not sure if he applied for one. Although I understand why he would intentionally not apply for one, for reasons I already mentioned in my previous post. If he did apply for one and was denied, I would love to read on that




When you have to apply to protest, something is fundamentally wrong but what are your options?


Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

John F. Kennedy,
In a speech at the White House, 1962
35th president of US 1961-1963 (1917 - 1963)



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 07:46 PM
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It is quite evident that there was indeed a disturbance of the peace caused by the protesters. While it is fine to voice ones concerns, it is incorrect to step on the rights of others to do so. Harassing passer byes, is never a good method of enlightening the public.

The permitting process is not all that difficult. It does not exclude those who wish to disagree with the government. It simply seeks to allow for the protection of the rights of others. Is that so much to ask? One may freely state publicly that Bush is an idiot. In other countries, making such statements against the rulers, could be punishable by death. If Alex Jones wished to voice his concerns and attempt to educate the public on his particular issue, he did a very poor job of it. He is free to speak about the subject, but by causing a disturbance he only managed to lower his position and weaken his message.

His true aim was to generate a scandal that would bring him publicity. It would have been very easy for him to express his views to an audience, without causing a public disturbance. He chose the lower path and thus, the scorn of many.



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 07:48 PM
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Agreed. The permit requirements are ludicrous but also the law. What I'm still unable to determine is why Jones was refused the permit, if in fact he actually applied for one or simply tried to ride the coattails of other protesters. When you have to apply to protest, something is fundamentally wrong but what are your options?

Because in america you don't need a freaking permit. Millions of people died for this first amendment, but eh, one third of americans can't find US on a map.
So they probably never red the constitution nor know what the first amendment is nor what tyranny is. They'll soon know if they ever get their two brain cells together.

Anyway, when they start asking permits, people thinks it's reasonable... then when the oppression increase, they don't even give permits, that's what happenned to New York. No permits given for 9/11. So what do you do? Don't protest because the unconstitutionals laws restricts you to do so, or express your freedom of speech and oppose those thugs?

And ``causing disturbance`` is nothing compare to what the government did on 9/11 killing those 3000 people, continuing to use their death to cause even more death. That's awful and disgusting. Something also disgusting is Faux News propagandising their BS 24/24 and brainwashing people into loving their government.

GO FREEDOM OF SPEECH, DEATH TO THE NWO AND THE THUGS WHO SERVES IT.

[edit on 9-9-2007 by Vitchilo]



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Cloak and Dagger
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

John F. Kennedy,
In a speech at the White House, 1962
35th president of US 1961-1963 (1917 - 1963)


Man does that quote summarize things well. Very nice and so very true.


brill



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by lightworker12
...he is clearly doing something that has been established for many years as illegal. There is nothing unusual here except a bunch of people in this topic not understanding a long standing law and how it clearly applies to Jones.


Just because there are laws on the books does not mean that those laws are constitutional. There is freedom of the press. That should not need a permit, it is an entitlement as a citizen of the US.

There is no libel in publishing the truth. - Alexander Hamilton.

Good reading on the limits of free speech:
en.wikipedia.org...

Sri Oracle



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 08:26 PM
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He must be the one responsible for staging the protest that created havoc while Geraldo Rivera was taping his show the other night.

The police moved in on the protest because the protesters had no permits for their gathering.

I don't much care for Geraldo, but the protesters didn't earn much respect with their behavior, in my opinion, besides not having a single shard of credible evidence to support their claims.



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
He must be the one responsible for staging the protest that created havoc while Geraldo Rivera was taping his show the other night.

I haven't seen any evidence of that, have you?


I don't much care for Geraldo, but the protesters didn't earn much respect with their behavior, in my opinion, besides not having a single shard of credible evidence to support their claims.

I didn't realize credible evidence was necessary for a protest. I thought you just could.


Not to mention, Geraldo's actions far outweighed what was done by the protestor's, imo.



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 08:55 PM
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OK, Questions on freedom of speech.

Is it OK for me to form a group, outside your child's school, and with loudspeakers, to chant protest slogans all day about gas prices, to the point that it disrupts your child's education?

Is it OK to protest loudly, in the same manner, outside a nursing home or a cancer rehab facility, on the subject of light pollution, to the extent that people inside get no sleep?

Is it OK to protest loudly outside your place of business all day, unimpeded, day and night, on the subject of sexual deviation, with pictures of bestiality and child porn, to the point that customers shy away from your business?

Would it be OK to protest loudly outside your place of worship while you are inside, stating that your beliefs are evil and that only my belief in a monkey god is correct?

Would any of that bother you at all? If it would bother you, do you think perhaps, the manner of my protests should be somehow regulated. The regulations would still allow me to make my speech, but in a manner that would not violate the right of others to be free in their lives. Does my free speech allow me to trample your liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Just curious where people stand.



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 09:13 PM
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Here's page #3. of Prison Planets forum.

Quote from Sonja
Global Moderator
Prison Planet forum

""Got a ticket for using a sound device without a permit."

Check out the chatter on that thread!
forum.prisonplanet.com...

Well, now don't some of you feel rather "Small"? All this nonsense and slanderous conjecture when all you had to do was check with his forum?
I saw no out of control behavior or crowds acting out with ignorance and violence. And Geraldo was completely rude and out of bounds.

How would we feel if this one of the Three Amigo's? Well, it could be...
Or John Lear any of our respected friends in our journey to deny ignorance. We are "All" vulnerable in this NWO.

And in closing, I have to draw your attention to why he was arrested and the conspiracy surrounding the implications there...

[edit on 9-9-2007 by antar]



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 09:37 PM
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Geraldo is a documented idiot. No dispute there.

But is harassing passer byes with loudspeakers not to be considered inconsiderate behavior? The Protesters were harassing people as reported. They were creating a public disturbance, and Alex Jones did not have a film permit and was charged for it. The Protesters did not have a permit either.

It is fine to voice ones concerns and opinions, but if it is at the cost of others rights, then it is wrong. It is not all that difficult to get permits. They chose not to and brought down their own problems. I have no sympathy for them.

I have participated in significant protests. We were always respectful of others and always obtained the proper permits. I have stood face to face with National Guard troops and enjoyed the pleasantries of riot control gas. When one chooses to engage in civil disobedience, one must also expect consequences.



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Terapin
It is just a publicity ploy on his part.


He was well aware that a permit was required, and when the police arrived, he created a huge fuss rather than quietly fill out some paperwork. He WANTED a commotion and getting jailed allows him to claim it was a police state tactic. It was just his deliberate public disturbance.

Personally, I hope he gets more than a weekend in jail. Idiots like that should be kept off the street.


Yes and I think you missed the point about it, that bieng that you shouldn't have to have a Piece of paper to tell you that you can / can't film in your own city....

I don't 100% agree with the methods that Alex Jones uses but the message he's trying to get out is a valid one, were having our basic rights as human biengs taken slowly away from us to a point where you will have to ask the goverment for permission to Pro-create or go outside.....

Possible hectic times ahead... Kinda glad I live here in Australia but in saying that were not too far behind the USA anyway in our policies etc....



posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 11:47 PM
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Ahhh, I see I finally figured out why you are all so ignorant to the fact that the situation was a farce. a misjustice on all levels, YOU have total intolerance for the skeptics of 911! Ha! I bet if I look at the names above this post that have been spewing baseless postulation about A.J. and his arrest, the same names will be in the 911 forums fighting to keep it one sided and accept all that was told to them through the media with out question or be unpatriotic. Only in doing that would you be unpatriotic in my eyes. OK Got it. I have made my point here so I now (Bow) to you all...



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 12:48 AM
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I think the authorities are running scared on this one. No matter how hard they are trying to suppress the truth about 9/11, the official story is getting weaker and weaker with each passing day. I fear a revolution is brewing...



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 01:07 AM
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Like I've said before and know from personal experience, using anything more than a simple camcorder with no seperate microphone within New York City is welcoming swift police action against you (I used to attend the New York Film Academy, trust me we dealt with this all the time and had to constantly make sure our permits were in order. Note: we were using obviously sophisticated cameras and mic booms so almost every time we went out an officer would ask to see our permit).

The article clearly states Jones' protest had no permit. A permit is required to assure that mass transit and pedestrian travel is not hindered in any way. Those who do not understand this or have never visited New York City will claim without any sort of evidence that this is against the constitution or is a police state type policy. Wrong, you are simply misinformed.

These two facts prove Jones' arrest was entirely warranted and did not consist of unusual or overbearing police action. Jones was not a single target, as the original article clearly states other people using cameras and sound gear were arrested or detained on the scene in some fashion.

Again, people who do not understand simple legal codes of New York City will insist the police action against Jones was somehow unwarranted or illegal. Wrong. Jones was doing all of the illegal actions in this instance. Please inform yourselves before making assumptions and generally discrediting the cause for investigating hidden players seeking to establish a police state and/or New World Order.

Edit: Geraldo is a hopeless pawn of the News Corp empire and fell back on pointless juvenile insults to attack the illegal protest. While I certainly wish more people would question the official accounts of 9/11 (note: while I believe there are massive holes in the official story, I do not necessarily believe the main organization that is our government set up bombs or whatever. However, it is certainly criminal that over 25 million more dollars were spent investigating Clinton's affair than the murder of 3,000 Americans. If anything, the powers that be higher than the United States might have had a hand. Nothing is conclusive, and this is all unrelated to the point at hand, hence parenthesis) it actually doesn't feel good to say that the protesters in this case were, in fact, the ones in the wrong. I am simply trying to correct some of the uninformed posters in this topic wrongfully claiming the police were in the wrong here. Also, the New York City permit laws have been in place for quite some time, at least over a decade, and have no relation to recent terrorism/police state style events (despite the ignorant claims made by several in this topic).

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posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 05:18 AM
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Well now, Geraldo either needs to be sacked or a lawsuit should be taken out against both foxs news and geraldo. If this had happened in the UK he would be sacked on the spot for his homophobic remarks, or suspended until a investigation was carried out.

For all those who think this is not slander, well it is, sorry to burst your bubble. I hope those protestors take him to court And sue the backside of him.

As for Alex Jones hats of to him. I at least have alot of respect for this guy, who stands up to those who would rather have you all quiet and towing the line. That is what America is all about is it not, freedom of speech, land of the free? Or has all of that now been eroded?.



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posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
Well now, Geraldo either needs to be sacked or a lawsuit should be taken out against both foxs news and geraldo. If this had happened in the UK he would be sacked on the spot for his homophobic remarks, or suspended until a investigation was carried out.




That is what America is all about is it not, freedom of speech, land of the free? Or has all of that now been eroded?.


That's one of the most hypocritical posts I've seen in a long time. In one breath you want censorship then decry the loss of free speech in the next?



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