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reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 12:18 PM by Ivanova
Originally posted by Beachcoma

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I've been watching this thread for a while, and I did some light reading on Putin. I'd have to say, the man is quite a genius in the way he handles foreign policy issues. It seems like he's applying the principles of his favourite sport Judo in dealing with his rivals. I can see how you have such a high respect for him.

But what exactly is a Tsar by your definition, and how would Putin end up becoming Tsar?




Russia was an Orthodox Christian monarchy for a 1000 years.
Tsarism and Russian Orthodox Christianity are joined together
to create the whole Russian soul. We are seeing the resurrection
of Orthodox Christianity in Russia... and in Putin, we are seeing
the resurrection of the Tsar.

Is Putin of royal blood ? Is he descended from the Putjatins as
some suspect ?

I think Putin has a secret history... and a secret destiny...
that has not yet been revealed.




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reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 02:32 PM by Electro38


Europe is dependent on Russian gas and oil.. Tsarist Russia will
become the leader of Europe... it is well on its way !



How would that be progress? How would that benefit the Russian people?
(Wouldn't that be going backwards?)

If Putin wants Russia to be the worlds only "Super Power", shouldn't Putin learn from USA?

I appreciate your posts, but I can't see any of that happening. I think its more about business and money, than nationalism.

No one has yet explained how the Russian people are benefiting from Russia's great and vast resources and economic independence from the world, and social isolation from the US?

Putin has gone backwards on human rights, and has stifled free enterprise and freedom of speech. How is that good for a country and it's people?

I can't believe who some people say they "admire", or call "hero". Putin probably is an extremely intelligent man, and in that sense we have hope that he doesn't do the less than intelligent things you're describing.

In "czarist Russia" would you be able to express yourself freely about anything political? What would happen to free enterprise?

So oppressing the people is one of the main ingredients to becoming a world super power?

I admire the Russian people, but why are they just letting him do that? They deserve to benefit from Russian prosperity and resources, they deserve freedom of speech and free enterprise.

I don't know about this, unless you can explain it to me.



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reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 04:50 PM by Ivanova
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You say you want to understand Russia ?

Let me give you a tip... although it might be difficult for you to accept.

If you want to understand other cultures, you should not come from
the premise that everyone wants to be an American... and this is
especially true for Russia.


reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 05:20 PM by Electro38
Originally posted by Ivanova
reply to post by Electro38


You say you want to understand Russia ?

Let me give you a tip... although it might be difficult for you to accept.

If you want to understand other cultures, you should not come from
the premise that everyone wants to be an American... and this is
especially true for Russia.


I believe that not all governments want to be like America, but most people in oppressed governments would love to be like Americans.

I can absolutely believe what you said, it makes a lot of sense.

Not everyone can understand freedom, or like it. But it's sad to see a great country (Russia) that was moving towards a more free society with improved human rights to now move away from that.

America, or Americans aren't the only model for a free society, you have the UK, France, Swiss, etc.

Are you from Russia?

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reply posted on 10-9-2007 @ 05:23 PM by sy.gunson

If you want to understand other cultures, you should not come from
the premise that everyone wants to be an American... and this is
especially true for Russia.


Quite true Ivanova and that is why US foreign policy is flawed. It is still based on the euphoria of post WW2 in the 1960s.


NJ Mooch wrote:

China has taken care of the DPRK, and now it is Russia's turn to take care of Iran. This is what I make of all this and so far. Remember who just got elected in Iran, that one person can be a part of something that helps remove foolish people from power in Iran. A military option is the last step in any campaign, but the political one is just getting started.


China is not the enemy. Militant Islam is.

In reference to North Korea, North Korea has shifted it's nuclear weapons effort to a secret project in Burma aka Myanmar. where two Pakistani nuclear scientists who assisted Al Qaeda fled.

Since then Russia has agreed to supply Myanmar with nuclear reactors capable of breeding Plutonium and to train Myanmar's nuclear technicians.

In breach of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty Russia is supplying nuclear capabilities to states engaged in support for Islamic terrorism who have ambitions to create nuclear weaponry.

Russia is waging undeclared nuclear war by proxy through terrorist groups.

Incidentally China is as distressed by Russia's support for Myanmar's nuclear program as the West is about Iran.

Ironically because China is so hungry for crude oil to support it's industrial expansion, it is also Iran's biggest customer.

USA and China need to recognise their common self interest and join together to stop Russia seeding nuclear conflict by proxy. China needs oil, or alternate technology which frees them from it's dependence.

These are the strategic complexities which prevented adoption of the Kyoto accords.


reply posted on 12-9-2007 @ 07:56 PM by BitRaiser
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The answers to all your questions are in this thread: Understanding Iran Dis-info Campaign

Once you understand that you've been a casualty in an information war, things start to make a lot more sense.


reply posted on 14-9-2007 @ 10:00 AM by Electro38
Originally posted by C0le
Originally posted by Electro38
Do you think there's anything to the crazy stuff their President says? Why do they let that guy speak like that? (Ahamadinejad).

You forgetting the whole axis of evil speeches, or the If your not with us your with the terrorists speeches?

Same song different tune....

While building their nuke technology and have your president say he wants to destroy Isreal. Didn't they think that would cause some problems?
They have ZERO nuclear weapons at this time, Israel has 300+
Wounder why they want them out of the middle east?

While We the United States are drawing up plans to destroy our 3rd in 7 years...


Does anyone have any ideas why they (the Iranian religious leaders) let Ahmadinejad say things like that?
They are about to be attacked?
its not like they have anything to lose here might as well go out running your mouth...

How could the US "play nice" to a govt. that sponsors terrorism?
Is this a serious question?
Our CIA makes Al'Qaeda look like amateurs


I am really trying to understand why these things happened, not being sarcastic or anything.

Why would you begin this anti-israeli rhetoric when you are trying to complete or advance your nuke power project? Doesn't make sense.

Ahmadinejad started saying this stuff a couple of years before the latest increased tensions between Israel and Iran.

They have nothing to lose?

Lets just suppose for a moment Iran got a new puppet leader who toned down the anti-israeli/american rhetoric. Maybe actually started to make friends as much as he could. Do you think then that the US and Israel would continue with it's tough posture?

It's hard to believe the world is a hyper-carnival of insane conspiracies, sometimes. Things wouldn't work as well as they do. Most people in free societies are free to work as they wish, make money, prosper and live long lives. How do we account for this phenomena?

There is some deception going on usually because of money. And we should all try to keep them honest, uncover lies. But some of these convoluted conspiracy theories do more to inhibit these efforts.

Maybe the real conspiracy are all of these conspiracy theories, intended to keep people from clearly seeing reality.

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