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5 Reasons why America is Going to Hell in a Handbasket.

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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 04:59 AM
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And things were going so well until...


Originally posted by SimiusDei
here anymore start when the NAACP is in town to remind black people that their great great great granddaddy might have been a slave.


But they were and the most progressive and well informed African Americans ( that do not get locked up or assassinated ) still informs them about that reality.


However, since I don't want this to turn into a race related thread, I'll only say this one last thing in regards to race. The NAACP and the Black Panther party are just as big of a hate group today as the Ku Klux Klan was in the early to middle part of this century.


You already did so it's a bit late now.
Fact is it's pretty clear who the oppressors are and who their victims were and still are and this is much like comparing the Nazi's with their Jewish victims or the native American Indians with the mounted cavalry members that destroyed towns and their entire populations. The black Panther party was as good as systematically assassinated or jailed and i am still waiting for a explanation as to what they did ( or even threatened to do) that required such a brutal treatment of them. Since it is my understanding that that in fact happens whenever African Americans try to organize to better defend themselves against the social engineering that is destroying them and their neighbourhoods.


As far as homosexuality goes, I think the main problem they face these days is NOT being discriminated against because they are homosexual.....BUT being discriminated against because they just can't damn help but remind us (on a near constant basis) that they are homosexual.


I don't think any of them asked for shows such as Will&Grace so lets point the fingers at the media Exec's that 'decided' for us what we want.


Homosexuals naturally make straight people a bit uncomfortable, not because they are gay, but because we are straight and most of us find it disgusting yet SOME of them go out of their way to make sure we know just how happily gay they are.


Some do but the vast majority tend to keep it to themselves full well knowing that it should be kept as private as any other relationships.


I could very well be wrong, but gay pride parades en masse and the perpetual need some of them feel to wear their "Gay and Proud" labels daily are far more detrimental to gays than just some idiot who knows they are gay and is out to "get them".


If that is detrimental we should look at ourselves and the media portrayal and COVERAGE of this very tiny minorities pride in being different.


And just so you know, if I ever see a "STRAIGHT AND PROUD" parade, I'll find that quite stupid and pathetic as well. What's the moral of this story? If you aren't looking for unnecessary attention, don't bring unnecessary attention to yourself.


I am quite sure that "Straight and proud" parade's wont get much attention if at all as that is not painting a false picture of society which happens to be the prime interest of media managers.


Personally, I think blacks, whites and gays of any color (so long as they are American citizens) need to get together and worry more about the illegal immigrants in this country than we do about each other.


Obviously....


It is PATHETIC! These people seem to think that the best solution for childhood discipline is to take a 1 year old and put them in time-out or some crap like that. I'm sorry guys, but taking a BABY and throwing them off in seclusion is FAR MORE detrimental to their overall health and mental wellbeing than spanking them. Spanking, when done effectively and not overdone, is a very effective tool when teaching your children right from wrong.


And while i agree with the vast majority of the above there are many actions that are quite effective they are not exactly good for a person or societies in general. Do we really want to create any more people that has this idea in their head that inflicting pain is the best way to get someone to 'understand' their point of view?

That being said i don't think the state has ANY business telling me how to raise a child or if and when i can or should spank them as that sort of thing should be regulated by community organizations , the local church or one's neighbours. To allow the state to enter the picture is eventually going to result in state owned kids with parents providing bunks for the night and nothing much else.


It is also a very good way to make sure your kids don't hurt themselves when you turn your back on them for a few minutes.


While it's good to teach them that you are trying to protect them i am not a parent and not so sure inflicting pain helps. Why not rather move their hand away from the plate many times while warning them not to do it again but finally allowing them to experience the result of defying parental authority if the circumstances allows? I am not sure this is entirely safe as it will take a great deal of judgement ,and is as i understand perfectly useless for children under the age of 18 months, but i think real lessons might be learnt without the parent preventing learning or inflicting pain to keep the child from doing so.

Maybe saying these types of things will result in you wanting me locked up but i am not a parent yet so maybe it all seems easier and more logical before the emotional factors are considered.



A parent that truly loves their kids, will NEVER have a problem spanking them. Why do I say this? Because a parent that TRULY loves their kids will NEVER overdo it and they will ONLY do it when it's to TEACH the child.


I kinda think my father loved/loves me and he did overdo it on the few occasions he actually spanked me and for the life of me i can't remember any lessons learnt beside how to avoid defying authority too openly. I just do not believe most parents spank kids because they are perfectly in control of themselves as there are certainly better ways of getting the point across in the vast majority of instances. I think spanking has it's place but rarely as a basic 'here's how to live' guide and normally only to ensure that certain types of behaviours are understood to be illicit violence from either the parent or from other members of society.

Spanking should in my opinion be reserved for occasions where the damage done by hitting a child is not nearly as bad as what might result from further defiance of a rule; if you see your child crossing the street without carefully observing traffic despite your constant advice to do so i think it's irresponsible not to do something that gets their attention. Spanking a child because it refuses to eat certain foods , does not want to do his/her homework, does not put away toys or generally defies such minor rules is not teaching them anything and just making them fearful of defying the type of authority that can inflict pain. What then happens when they grow up and there are no more parents or police to inflict the pain that they require as guiding principle?


Spanking kids out of anger is one of the worst mistakes a parent can make, other than never disciplining your child and giving them everything they want when they want it.


When a child is spanked it should be old enough to understand the correlation between the transgression and the pain that results and that does not happen for a good number of years so we should certainly consider alternatives for the first years. Obviously i am all for discipline but knowing my own shortcomings and how disciplined my mother is it's pretty obvious that very exact methods must be followed if one is to teach your children such specific skill sets.


That being said, child discipline ALSO falls under the "Political Correctness" heading.


And while we obviously have disagreements, and despite the fact that i am not raising children of my own to give my ideas that type of merit, i think PC is not a problem as long as one sticks to generalities and do not accept that certain topics are just not more deserving of circumspect treatment.
In natural situations people are pretty damn PC( in tribal settings everyone watches what they say as word gets around) to start with and it takes a great deal of social engineering and state and church funded efforts to turn them into the type of people we can so easily observe today.


From this point forward, please refrain from turning this thread into a racism based thread.


And what am i supposed to do when i run into them?


There has been far too much talk of that subject already. If it is spoken of, please keep it in the context of the thread, IE: How it relates to political correctness.


I try...


The reason I placed apathy at number 1 is because apathy is responsible for all of the others in the list. Therefore, it is the root causes of most of our problems in this country.


Apathy requires a great deal of ignorance or plenty of distractions not to mention a relatively decent standard of living to boot so i would not place it at number one....


Thank all of you (yes, even those of you I disagree with) for your opinions and for contributing to this thread. I was actually quite surprised to wake up and see this on the front page of ATS


I am not surprised to see it there but i suppose i have seen far worse threads so i am not complaining too much...

Stellar




posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 07:13 AM
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Even if a 3rd party candidate gets elected.He will be sent to the same office and handed the same rule book.So I doubt that will change anything.And if that doesn't work.I'm sure he will be reminded of what a good pres JFK was.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 09:48 AM
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i appreciate the effort put in by the OP to start this thread. It was well put together and made sense.

the op did say he didn't want to make things turn toward a racist angle but then could not abstain himself from throwing a couple grenades into that fire (let's you know he is not perfect lol)

i think a reason America is going to hell in a handbasket is

1. Global oil supplies are peaking and a long steady decline is causing gov'ts which are run by selfish business men (a problem in and of its' self) to resort to risky self inflicting hardships to try to get their oil profits secured at this time.

a benefit of uniting canada with the u.s in the NAU is that it will allow usa cheap access to canadian energy and water supplies however if it was not for the benefit of a few select contracts and the country as a whole

then they would have gotten control of the oil sand/ tar deposits in western canada and not allowed China to secure these) in reality the profit margins aren't as high as in the Mid east due to the high cost of purifying these deposits, but the rising cost of oil (particularly in america) makes this lucrative for other nations.

powerful elite men that often are in positions of political office and influence are posturing for their own benefits because they know there will be a shuffling of chairs when the united states is no longer the most powerful and influencial nation in the world. realists accept this title is not a right of the united states and instead a privelage which will be taken away by the sheer difficulty in sustaining this (amongst fierce competition) ,especially when a PRIVATE CENTRAL BANK slowly manipulates the issuance of money and thus the country ITSELF. supra national elite's know that a new world order emerges from major wars and geo political shifts in power . WWI, WWII and then the falling of the u.s would all be opportunity's to capitalize on power and profits from the resulting world orders and when the elite figured out the order resulting from the fall of the u.s would best be managed in a global way the pieces have just recently been getting into position.

but looking at the big picture, as long as we measure our worth by material means there will be these inherent problems trying to co-ordinate a functioning society due to the inherent weakness of the human condition (power becomes a drug) and repeated cycle's of
bondage to spiritual awakening to abundance then apathy then dependancy and then back around again would occur as empire's rise and fall. (as another poster said)

the reason this system is in place is the even bigger picture w/ many unanswered questions. people have so many unknowns regarding "why they are here" , where they came from, and often religous dogma's while (being one possible option to solidify a beleif system around a strength in "faith") among other different ways to construct beleif systems often leaves people initially unflexible when pondering the possibilites that god was really "gods" and possibly a race of advanced beings who created us as a working class for them (again not sure but very possible) . also organized religions (not a personal relationship with a universal source of everything, including individual creation power thru thought energy) back in the "day" were very powerful and central to gov'ts. these groups needed to get a leg up on the "masses" they ruled over so they decided to weaken a person's understanding of their own capacities to elevate themselves, and thus put themselves in a positon of power which is needed to rule over people. what i am talking about is seperating a person's beleif in there own capabilities and responsibilities by creating a "third party" god which is responsibly for the advancements and strength and hardships a person goes thru and thus a person dependant on this powerful third party is now subject to follow a "god's" rules and fear if they don't they will not get what they want in life. and who decided what god's rules were. those in power who wrote the scripts. prayer works. it is the power of thought energy. people just inadvertantly give "a god" the credit, because they themselves are ignorant to their own power at the conveinience of being unresponsible for their own actions which often have some tuff lessons when growing up in a world that is so cut throat and manipulated and easily confusing and painful. especially when people's lives are so hurried up and focused on work and feeding children people often don't have time to slow down and think for themselves and when they do they are engineered to watch football or american idol or go out drinking or chasing girls/ guys and not contemplating the big picture which is so foggy w/ unknowns.


by all measures we are headed from apathy to dependance on a more fascist rule. history shows there will be more deaths, and lies, and poverty, stay strong and use your creative mind and HEART to find your own way.


and don't pay any mind to those that don't appreciate the signifigance of this time in history. history shows most people don't figure or care about the way they have been manipulated by fractions in gov'ts until there comfort zone's have been shrunk to level that is personally unacceptable forcing them to "wake up". i do not consider myself smarter or better than those that have not "woken up". the decisions made in my life just happened to allow this to be easier for me (and i do not have the obligations of a family). as the mayan's say; IN LAK'ETCH




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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 10:31 AM
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Hi everyone,
I've read all 7 pages and I'd just like to say the following by way of introduction.

Once upon a time we here across the 'BIG POND' could count on your social / economic / technological trends filtering down to us after some time delay.
But as for the breakdown in Society, I can confirm we now exist in a parallel universe.
Indeed, I have decided that when 'it' gets too much to take anymore, I will pull the trigger!
Oops! I just remembered, I don't have the right to Your Amendments and in any case, the 'Health and Safety' brigade wouldn't allow me to do it myself, so I would have to make an appointment (lots of form filling probably) for a Government official to act on my behalf.

I now wish to ask a very serious question of you all.
As I have never given a toss whether a person's skin is black, white or sky blue pink with purple stripes why is it so important to constantly refer to 'African American', 'Italian American', 'Irish American', 'Chinese American', etc, etc American.

It just seems ridiculous - surely, if you are American, then you are American.
I'm not telling you to forget your ancestry, but I think (however simple it may seen) this could help bring about a more cohesive and respectful society.
Assimilate, don't aggravate - hey, that's kinda catchy!

I look forward to your wrath.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SimiusDei
 


Don't worry too much about the national debt. There is clear solution
to that. Our future has never been brighter. Cheer up.

Pop in a copy of Back to the Future II. Advanced technology will
save the day. The truth will be revealed to you 2012.
Hang in there.


that advanced technology if any is "released" to boost consumer spending will be marketed to CHINA and JAPAN not american's who will see rising import costs and prices as well as less disrectionary income. a shrinking target for global business combined with an aging population and less prodcution (retiring baby boomers).

and to the poster that basically said the strong will survive as the sheep get "fleeced". when the strong are subject to authoritarian rule and micro chipping, they will not be so strong because when the most corrupt fractions of gov't and the elite's understand any dissent will be supressed due to fear of getting their chip and ability to buy food and other necessity's turned off, they will be bulls on parade. absolute power corrupts absolutely

i sincerely hope something beyond my current understanding will occur in the next several years that jepordizes the elite's plans for a new global order after the fall of the united staes. (maybe they underestimated the will of the people) hard to imagine considering the amount of apathy, or possibly they undersestimated the amount of chaos and uncertainty regarding the future anyway that the next false flag will cause (even for themselves) and it turns out their is too much disorder for their plans to take hold and instead it is more like every man for themselves. If that were to occur and the structure of their power were to splinter apart for their own selfish greed and survival, a revolution will be possible, because if the strucute or power is fractured, the people become more capable of revolution but only through a worse more chaotic short term.

also the possibility exists that they have advanced knowledge of coming earth changes from approaching celestial bodies, who knows i don't. i know alot of people are comforted by pushing all hypothetical's to the side but i think we have reached a point where the risks to doing so outweight the rewards (not regarding the speculation in this paragraph) but in regards to identifying the fractions and groups responsible for the next "attack" as a false flag and the pre-tense to martial law which will push people to the edge of their comfort zones (but to late!) and (all the while the middle class will be squeezed by high gas prices, violence(robbery ,theft) food costs) but with the infrastructure in place, the elite have that (political unrest) covered (fema dissident camps)

sadly they don't need a false flag to bring the chaos to the u.s. the economic storm in the form of rising prices and unemployment will work just fine, the F.F would serve to divert blame and go after oil in other areas of ME and secure oil contrats.



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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 12:08 PM
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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 12:08 PM
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and reason # 13

the dollar is falling so rapidly that the fed has the choice to either cut rates and kill the middle class and the dollar thru price inflation let allow the fat cats to have more oxygen (lending capabilities) and make money off of rapidly inflating prices of everything (be it food, energy, or oil stocks!)

the fed could RAISE RATES to save the coming inflation but that would be suicide to the credit markets and the people who are addicted to easy money (you know the financial speculators) but don't worry they are still toast at least in america as foreign capital will flee as the dollar $ does the death spiral, and most sectors of the markets will fall as foreign creditors who propped up the economy head for india, china, brazil,etc.

the fall in discretionary income from cost of living increases/price increases will kill consumer spending and retailers and this service economy is headed for unemployment.

brush that "hypothetical off" until you wake up pissed off, jobless, homeless and headed for a fema slave labor camp.



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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by TommyCrown
I now wish to ask a very serious question of you all.
As I have never given a toss whether a person's skin is black, white or sky blue pink with purple stripes why is it so important to constantly refer to 'African American', 'Italian American', 'Irish American', 'Chinese American', etc, etc American.


While i don't like to create such groupings it is quite clear that our governments do so and until we can convince them to treat people equally badly ( which would be a great step up for African Americans and most in the third world) we will have to deal with these distinctions


It just seems ridiculous - surely, if you are American, then you are American.


And i fully agree with that hence my interest in exposing the double standard that is the terrible treatment of certain groups in the US and elsewhere.


I'm not telling you to forget your ancestry, but I think (however simple it may seen) this could help bring about a more cohesive and respectful society.


Obviously....


Assimilate, don't aggravate - hey, that's kinda catchy!

I look forward to your wrath.


And that's what people all around would do if they were left alone and not propagandized in such deceitful ways.

Stellar



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by StellarX



I know you want to believe that it's not your fault but i do not care much for circular arguments. Black people people did not live that way before they were enslaved.


The poor blacks in America are still exponentially better off than their counterparts in most of Africa today.


Because the American government chooses to lock up black men for ridiculous reasons.


Yea, youre right, blacks shouldnt be locked up for all of the violent crimes they commit. Give me a break.



Because they are treated far worse than the norm ? Do you not realise that the conditions that are being created for America's black poor leads directly to their behaviours?


Ever happen to think their conditions are the result of their behavior? When blacks do not value hard work and education, and instead spend their time smokin crack and pretending they are rappers, what kind of conditions do you think that will create?



I knew you were white as i hear the same arguments from white South-Africans/Americans every day. The fact that you think white poverty i the US is comparable to African American poverty speaks volumes as to just how well propagandized you have been.


Or how racist you are towards whites.


Well if suppose we are using very different definitions of what welfare is. Do you think social security and pension plans should be counted as welfare if American citizens are funding such programs themselves?


No. I am talking TANF, WIC, and the various other welfare programs the poor benefit from. 500 billion is 60 years is an awfully low number.




If you are willing to supply sources for your claim i will do the same.


You provided the number, back it up, and I will refute it accordingly.


Because it is racist and ignorant and circular reasoning? I know you WANT to believe the victims are to blame for their victim status but that is not in my opinion true.


So we should blame everyone other than blacks right?




Are you so racist that you can not even realise such a obvious truth?


Post any examples of racism I have posted.

I'll save you the time. You can't.




I agree and i think white Americans should pay for taking far more than their fair share of the public treasury.


Huh? When you break down the numbers, blacks and hispanics receive exponentially more welfare dollars than whites do per capita.




Sure and that's why you must pay such large bribes to find recruits and retain skilled men?


If they were paid any more, people like you would be whining abuot the defense budget. I served, and they are underpaid fopr the work they do. They know that going in, yet they still CHOOSE to enlist.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 02:53 PM
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Yes, I will completely ignore the side discussion, on racism...only to say this about it...I'm a metal head, I hate hip-hop...if that makes me a racist, so be it.
Now...on to the meat.
I think the biggest problem in society (America anyway) is our crap poor education system. One of the reasons the US of A was so powerful for so long was that we had some of the best educated kids in the world, who then went on to become scientists, soldiers, philosophers and so on. Now we have some of the stupidest kids on God's green earth who go on to become: game show contestants, American Idol contestants and the crazy guy who always gets arrested on the show "Cops."
I think a visit by the blockhead brigade, is actually a freakin' good idea.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 03:23 PM
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Well StellarX I agree with your reply - so that's makes 2 of us living in harmony.
Can't answer for the other billions though!

As to why 'America is going to Hell in a Handbasket' I have the answer as to why it won't.
The oil companies presently drilling way down in the Gulf of Mexico will realise those massive reserves and have the good sense to keep them for the American people.
There will then be great economic growth, better housing, education and jobs, no more ghettos, people will regain their self esteem and the Country will once again be a great
place to live.

Oh! Then I woke up and remembered that should I ever want to visit The States again I would treated like a criminal as soon as I stepped off the plane and automatically have my fingerprints taken.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by StellarX

If by hell you mean world war three ( AKA Germany not so long ago) i suppose so. ...


Thank you Stellarx for addressing the points I'm too tired to fully respond to.

In a country where a white male with a college diploma earns far more than any similarly educated man or woman, where blacks receive lower quality health care than whites with far more living in poverty, and our own government studies have shown that racial gaps have increased in the past 25 years (among other things), it's surprising to hear this level of whining as to suggest that white males in America are being held down by "the man"... which consequently will look more like them than anyone else in the country.



We are taking very sad and backward steps as of late. Turn off the elitist neo-conservative bigots that keep pushing their divisive agenda to keep your blood boiling. It's time to take our hands off each others throats and look at who's pushing us to do so.

For me it's not political correctness that keeps me from blurting out stereotypes and slurs around ethnic groups that I know will be offended...it's common sense.

It's not making my life unbearable in the least.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
The poor blacks in America are still exponentially better off than their counterparts in most of Africa today.


Considering just how bad things are in some African countries that may or may not prove much but it's fact and there is no doubt about it.


Yea, youre right, blacks shouldnt be locked up for all of the violent crimes they commit. Give me a break.


The vast majority of people in Jail are there for non violent drug offenses and this is as true for African American males .


Ever happen to think their conditions are the result of their behavior? When blacks do not value hard work and education,


But they do value education and hard work as most are working hard whenever they can find a job or a half decent place to study....


and instead spend their time smokin crack and pretending they are rappers, what kind of conditions do you think that will create?


And if all Caucasian kids were locked up for trying something not so illegal there would be little use for schools.... Why are people so selectively being locked up?


Or how racist you are towards whites.


Calling a spade a spade does not make a person racist and when you can present me with actually evidence that African Americans are deserving of their living conditions you may call me as many names as you like.


No. I am talking TANF, WIC, and the various other welfare programs the poor benefit from. 500 billion is 60 years is an awfully low number.


Well bring me some official numbers as i don't mind apologising when i have reason to. I quoted what i believe to be a reliable source and while he might have said that in the early 90's i think he mentioned a number of around 350 billion so considering the massive welfare cutbacks in the 90's i went with 500 billion... If it's so obvious it should not be hard to disprove so go right ahead.


You provided the number, back it up, and I will refute it accordingly.


I think you mentioned the Trillions and if you wish to defend that you can as i will be using the estimate i provided.


o we should blame everyone other than blacks right?


Until we are given good reason to do otherwise, yes. There is a legal system that is punishing African Americans very disproportionally so it's not like they are going to get away with much to start with.


Post any examples of racism I have posted.

I'll save you the time. You can't.


Assuming that black poor people must be poor because they are not hard working when it's patently obvious that there are poor white people who work PLENTY hard and stay just as poor. It's just ludicrous to make such arguments and if it's not racism then it's ignorance taken to a new level.


Huh? When you break down the numbers, blacks and hispanics receive exponentially more welfare dollars than whites do per capita.


That is not true and since you wish to claim that as fact i suppose we can check if you know how to use google and find the 'facts' you have already decided to believe in.


If they were paid any more, people like you would be whining abuot the defense budget.


People like me will always white about pork barrel type defense contracts that just make some rich folk richer while it does not buy effective systems for national defense.

[quote[ I served, and they are underpaid fopr the work they do.

I can't imagine how we can pay someone too little for killing innocent people in a country that never attacked the US or it's citizens.


They know that going in, yet they still CHOOSE to enlist.


Which must be why they are so unhappy with all the things that they came to realise much later on?

Stellar

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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by StellarX


The vast majority of people in Jail are there for non violent drug offenses and this is as true for African American males


Until those ridiculous laws are changed, the fact is they still broke the law and belong in prison.


But they do value education and hard work as most are working hard whenever they can find a job or a half decent place to study....


If they value education, why are they 2nd on the list in terms of high school dropouts (right behind hispanics) and why are they on the top of the list in terms of welfare dollars?






Well bring me some official numbers as i don't mind apologising when i have reason to.


Ok.


The President's budget for 2006 totals $2.6 trillion. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:
$359.5 billion (13.79%) - Unemployment and welfare


That is just one year.


Until we are given good reason to do otherwise, yes. There is a legal system that is punishing African Americans very disproportionally so it's not like they are going to get away with much to start with.


Blacks commit a very disproportionate amount of violent crime, why shouldn't they be incarcerated?






That is not true and since you wish to claim that as fact i suppose we can check if you know how to use google and find the 'facts' you have already decided to believe in.


No need to use google, I already have the chart from the Dept of Health and Human services.





I can't imagine how we can pay someone too little for killing innocent people in a country that never attacked the US or it's citizens.


And what about Afghanistan?


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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by SimiusDei


3. Perpetual War for Profit - Still stuck in Iraq after 5 years and nothing has been accomplished. Unless you count a bunch of millionaires becoming billionaires and 4000+ American lives being lost as something. And for what? The only logical answer: MONEY..."OH! But we got Saddam out of power!" Bah, Saddam hasn't hurt any of us over here on American soil, at least the last time I checked.


you should be proud of your self for thinking the people who have given there lives for you died for nothing... yes they died for freedom any way you look at it.. they took an oath to defend from all threats foreign and domestic.. and obey the orders of all officers appointed over them and being the president is the only 5 star general you will ever see again... right or wrong he is our president..

though i would like to add i agree with you on all points except the one stated above..

just a side note we don’t call them hippies any more we are politically correct and call them democrats..

have you ever talked to a soldier or vet who joined the military for their country and no to go to college for free? you would rethink that statement above. i am a vet and have friends overseas now and have lost friends there and to think they died for any thing less than to ensure a free country for you and yours, words cant describe what i feel about that statement.

but like i said you do bring up lots of good points i agree with.

sorry i dont think i quoted this correctly but yall get the point

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posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:55 AM
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WE as a group should copy and paste this everywhere we can



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:19 AM
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Why black people are desperately needed

A few weeks ago I sat in a waiting room to renew my passport. Sitting there for a long time, I made some observations. There was a guy from India teaching his kids math quizzes across from me. Some of the whites were reading books. A mexican impatiently strode up and down the place and tried to get his turn earlier by voicing complaints. A white mother was doing one business phone call after another. The only people who were not being "productive" was a black guy and his two children. The two children were showing off dances to ther daddy and their dad kept laughing.

As I sat there observing the scenery, I saw that everyone looked extremely unhappy, except for the black group, who were really having a good time dancing. The rest of the people were in impatient-mode. Most other people were annoyed by the "noise" (laughter), because they wanted to be "productive". I realized that this little incident reflects the situation as a whole society.

I think music and sports are not as "unproductive" as many people think. While they are not appreciated as much by whites than by blacks, I think that a civilzation without music and sports would DIE. People would go crazy and get sick in their hearts without music and sports. The most massive contribution to music and sports comes from blacks. Without blues, soul, reggae, jazz, hip hop my youth would have been dull and uninspired...and me less productive. Without the inspiration given by black sports superstars, I would have become obese, inert...and therefore less productive.

In some ways blacks are more intelligent than whites. Now combine the intellectual capabilities of whites with the emotional capabilities of blacks and you have a superhuman.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:41 PM
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Music and sports are actually quite vital to society.
Scientific studies have linked aptitude for music with higher mathamatical prowess.
As far as sports goes...I wasn't inclined to get my fat duff off of the couch by "regular" sports figures but by pro-wrestlers. Sure, it's not a regular sport, but that's why it's not boring. Okay so the WWE currently sucks big time, but the point beign made is that athletics are necesarry. Without physical exertion, we would die. I should know, I've dropped 130 pounds since I started wrestling five years ago.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Why black people are desperately needed

Now combine the intellectual capabilities of whites with the emotional capabilities of blacks and you have a superhuman.


This is a great point and something I have always believed in. When you start mixing the races, you get favorable genes from both. So many great talented people are bi-racial. In my opinion, by keeping races separated, it could be considered something equivelent to "in-breeding" because you're just mixing more of the same genetics over and over again, causing the human race to become less intelligient as opposed to more intelligient.



posted on Sep, 14 2007 @ 07:02 PM
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The sad philosophy which I live by and hold to be the truth, is that it's going to take a nation-wide event to wake everybody up. Something major across the whole country, if not the globe.

Everybody is too comfortable in their american lives, persuits, dreams, to give a crap let alone do anything about it. It won't be until we are literally working class slaves with no middle class that a few will escape into the uunderground and start to build a revolutionary movement.

But until that day, it's sad to continue watching the "dumbing down" of this country. 20% can't find the US on a global map, more and more kids are on attention deficit drugs, crime increasing, value of the dollar down 40% since Bush took office, and the list goes on forever.

I hereby, acknowledge that on the day the revolution begins to form, I accept involvement and will fight to the end. Long live freedon, death to fascism.




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