Joan of Arc died in her 50s., page 2
Pages: <<  1    2  >>
ATS Members have flagged this thread 1 times


reply posted on 10-6-2007 @ 09:38 PM by abovereproach
Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Originally posted by funlovincriminal
very interesting post, NTH.
what do you think about the story?


You know, I really have no idea. I know that Joan of Arc was a real person yet, I've always considered her story just that, a story.
If Margarita d"Champdiver (the real Joan of Arc) was really the kings daughter, I think that they would be able to test the remains to find out if it's her. It was long thought that the skull was that of his wife Charlotte but she died when she was 38. The skull came from a much older woman.
In short, I have no idea what the truth might be. I do know however, that Joan of Arc was the first feminist. I hate feminists.


You know, whenever I hear a real hairy chest-thumping he-man say how much he "hates feminists", I always wonder how recently he was--yet again--soundly trounced by one.

And exactly where do you get the ludicrous notion that Joan was the "first" feminist? Is it because she's the only famous female you've ever heard of ? I think you need to study some history. Spelled "h-i-s-t-o-r-y". You can find it in books--you know, those things in libraries, the big square buildings found in most cities. You will NOT, however, find anything even resembling history in "Pravda".

Actually there was a woman, not many years after Joan's death (yes, at the stake, in Rouen, France) who showed up claiming to be Joan. She was even "recognized" by a couple of the real Joan's brothers, not to mention others who had been Joan's friends and fellow soldiers. She married and had children, which somewhat disillusioned those who believed her to be Joan--because the "real" Joan had taken a vow of virginity. (That's why she called herself "Jeanne la Pucelle"--Joan the Virgin.)

As I recall, this woman eventually confessed to being an imposter.

Not surprising, since Joan of Arc's death had been witnessed by a large crowd.

And some of the actual transcripts from Joan's trial still exist.

She was burned as an alleged witch/heretic, but it really had much more to do with politics--not to mention the he-men of her time who also "hated feminists" and couldn't bear the fact that a mere girl had whupped them decisively on the battlefield.

AND repeatedly outwitted them in court.


reply posted on 12-6-2007 @ 11:23 AM by Paul_Richard
Originally posted by CinLung-Part-1
Ok, history might be wrong in some case, the real person was not dead, history made mistake.
But what is the point of knowing the real person was not dead as history said? while anyway the real person is DEAD now!!!!!!

You are absolutely right.

Beyond just having a desire for historical accuracy, there are also agendas afoot.

Originally posted by CinLung-Part-1
Does it make you feel good to know Joan of Arc was not actually died young, does it matter if she died at 50, 70 or 105? She is DEAD now!

It matters a great deal to those who elevate said person to a heroic or saintly status - or even to be the Son of God.

A classic example of that is the prophet Issa/Jesus, also known as Yuz/Jus Asaf.

Yuz Asaf In Wikipedia

Issa/Juz Asaf Escaped Crucifixion & Died In India At 80 After Proclaiming To Be The Galilean Messiah

The Tomb Of Issa/Jesus In India

Jesus/Issa Escaped Death On The Cross & Went To India (German Scholar)

Jesus/Issa Escaped Death On The Cross & Went To India (Islamic Scholar)

Above there are various references to Issa/Jesus never having died on the cross and never coming back from the dead. But if he did not in fact come back from the dead then that blows to bits the fundamental understanding of all the Christian religions - that Jesus was and is the Son of God.

So in the general sense it doesn't matter how a person dies. But in the religious and heroic sense, it matters a great deal to people. Joan of Arc dying of a lung ailment after marrying doesn't have the same heroic impact of her dying as the result of an execution on the stake.

The absolute truth always comes out eventually.



[edit on 12-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]


reply posted on 15-6-2007 @ 08:49 PM by Paul_Richard
Originally posted by CinLung-Part-1
That is the problem with human beings. They like heroes and saviour, people are weak, lazy and fear.

Are you not human yourself?

Without heroes there are no role models. Without role models humans are just animals.

So yes...it does make a difference to have he-roes and she-roes in society.

Originally posted by CinLung-Part-1
I doubt about "absolute truth always comes out eventually".

Sure it does.

Ever hear of a
near-death experience?

Millions of people around the world, representative of every faith, religion and philosophy, have had them.

One of the common facets of an NDE is that you get to understand the absolute truth about how you affected - good, bad, and indifferent - those around you. Awareness and knowledge about other things that one could not know when incarnate is also accessible.

Originally posted by CinLung-Part-1
Anyway you never knew the pass since you had never been there, even if you were there you might see things differently.

How do you know that any one of us was not there?

Hopefully, with time, we become more educated and more objective, not less so.

Originally posted by CinLung-Part-1
Just don't spent too much time on pass and future, it is NOW! and it is always NOW!


Knowing the past helps one understand the present. True, it is important to concentrate on the present mainly, but having a good background about one's past helps one cope with the present and also to overcome unexplained fears and phobias. It also helps one identify strengths and talents.

There are cases whereby people have had a phobia about something, like drowning for example, and they were hypnotically regressed into a former lifetime or a number of them, whereby they drowned. That is the source of the phobia.

I became a certified hypnotherapist in 1994 and have done past-life regressions even prior to receiving that official training.

Knowing the source of an unexplained fear is half the solution in overcoming it.

Originally posted by CinLung-Part-1
Con people can always tell heroic and religious stories because there are weak lazy people who like to hear.

You don't seem to like people very much.

"Weak, lazy people" get inspiration to improve themselves by heroic and religious stories. Those stories therefore have their purpose in society. All the better if those stories are true as well.

I think my favorite Joan of Arc film was the one that had Ingrid Bergman in the title role.




reply posted on 16-6-2007 @ 04:17 PM by CinLung-Part-1
Originally posted by Paul_Richard

1. Are you not human yourself?

2. Without heroes there are no role models. Without role models humans are just animals.

3. Ever hear of a
near-death experience?

4. Millions of people around the world, representative of every faith, religion and philosophy, have had them.

5. How do you know that any one of us was not there?

6. Hopefully, with time, we become more educated and more objective, not less so.


7. I became a certified hypnotherapist in 1994 and have done past-life regressions even prior to receiving that official training.

8. Knowing the source of an unexplained fear is half the solution in overcoming it.

9. You don't seem to like people very much.

10. "Weak, lazy people" get inspiration to improve themselves by heroic and religious stories. Those stories therefore have their purpose in society. All the better if those stories are true as well.



Dear Paul,

Thanks for your time replying my humble opinions.

1. I am human, that's why I was talking about human nature, weak lazy and fearful.

2. We are all animals. And we have problems with "It role models that drives us to nowhere better".

3. N.D.E? Yes, and never been there. It is 99% wrong, I read one of the famous NDE books. It was a wrong approach. All those cases mentioned in the book has one thing in common which indicates what todays people believe in NDE is WRONG!. When you die, you die. When you are near to death you no die yet and you never understand what lies beyond.

4. That is the problem. It is just another hope after hopes.

5. Yes, education is good as long as it is not infected or corrupted.
Western world are trying to educate others so that others will learn the western way no mater it is a right or wrong way. Today, it is the jews way that educating the world, and it has no wrong or right. But they are so many wrong in the process.

6. Time is what everybody is buying. It always gonna take times!
But be reminded, some people believe time don't even exist.

7. Great. I wish I could learn about hypnotism, it is one on top of my priority list. Would you share your knowledge?

8. True. And I know the the source of human fear is "Human is always weak, lazy and fearful". That is the source.

9. I am just trying to tell the truth according to my own judgement.

10. Not really, heroic and religious story is an immature jump start which doesn't make things better. It certainly has purpose in society which is NO GOOD.

True story is always nice. But it is no wise to rely on them.








4.
Pages: <<  1    2  >>    ^^TOP^^



Ancient Aliens & The Riddle of the Missouri Mystery Mound
  Posted 18 days ago with 75 member flags
Amazing, X-Ray probe of Antikythera Mechanism (Video)
  Posted 16 days ago with 58 member flags
Eye of Horus is actually an early math system?
  Posted 13 days ago with 45 member flags
Pi, Golden Ratio and Speed of Light encoded into Great Pyramid
  Posted 7 days ago with 33 member flags
A Tribute to Native Americans
  Posted 19 days ago with 30 member flags
Why is the Ancient Alien Theory difficult to accept?
  Posted 11 days ago with 26 member flags
Unknown ancient language found on unearthed Assyrian tablets
  Posted 15 days ago with 21 member flags
"The Venus Blueprint"
  Posted 10 days ago with 14 member flags