posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 08:41 PM
reply to post by Odium
Sorry to make you sad, I was merely asking for input on two existing tax plans as well as an idea that popped into my head. I believe that there are
no bad ideas and one must start at some point. You are correct in the fact that I have not done any math for my utility idea. I was simply posing the
possibility of another tax system. I appreciate your thoughts on my proposed utility tax system and I would be anxious to listen to your ideas to
overhaul our existing tax system which you must realize is absolutely horrible.
How is a poorer student meant to study? With the light off? With no access to the internet? With no access television? Of course, the rich will still
How do they do it now? I did not propose raising their utility rates.
Also define utility. Take water, rich people - higher earners, can afford other drinks. Poor people need water, it in fact should always be "at
cost" and should not be taxed at all let alone in the form you suggest.
A defination of utilities could be water, electric, gas, and petroleum. I agree with you on the fact that water should be provided at cost. Perhaps
all utilities should be at cost since most forms of energy are generated through the use of natural resources. Hydro Power is mostly generated by
daming rivers that for the most part belong to the american people. Most petroleum and gas products produced in the states are taken out of government
land that belongs to the american people as well. Why should a few select groups of individuals profit from what really belongs to all of us. So
perhaps you are right that a tax system based on utilities may not work but you have opened up an argument that all utilities should be owned by the
american public and provided at cost since this is a resource that everyone consumes and needs.
You also forget one key factor: Savings. Rich people, save a lot of money. They are able to do so, this money when not being taxed would force a
massive hole into the Government's pocket. What do you suggest to do to cover this?
So what if rich people save a lot of money. It's there money they are entitled to do whatever they want with it. If I had a lot of money I would
certainly want to save it as well. Why should a rich person have to pay a higher tax percentage than a poor person? To be politcally correct it sounds
like prejudice to me. It's all relative, if for instance we had a flat tax of say 10% a poor person would be paying the same identical tax as a rich
person. Of course the dollar values would be differant but the percentage is the same.
You can't suggest to lower the Government's spending, because doing so would result in a economic crash. You'd be laying thousands if not hundreds
of thousands of people out of work.
so basically what you are saying here is that as a taxpayer I should have to pay for the politicians lack of financial planning as well as foot the
bill for the trillions of dollars that the government has wasted on pork barrell projects, No bid contracts, and $1000.00 toilet seats. In addition
why should the american taxpayers be required to send billions of our hard earned dollars in support of the governments of other countries. Oh, I'm
sorry I forgot it's more important to be the world's policeman rather than take care of our own. With a comment like that it's no wonder our
country is trillions of dollars in debt and our so called enimies are some of the ones that own that debt, and we wonder why so many americans are
faced with foreclosure and massive amounts of credit card debt. The government certainly doesn't set the example it would rather keep the american
people dumbed down so those in power can have more of our money.
How is this fair on poorer people?
How would you fill the economic gap without increasing the level of tax on utlities so that only the "elite" can afford it?
Well I tend to agree with an above poster that the only fair way to tax a civilization is based on usage. Perhaps utilities are not the only answer
but possibly a part of the answer. I believe what is fair for the poor should also be fair to the rich, they should be taxed equally. How is it fair
for the rich person to have to pay taxes when the poor person actually does not pay taxes and is given a free hand out. Do you realize how many
hundreds of thousands of poor people actually recieve money from the government they did not earn? Why should they work harder to achieve a better
life when they can sit on their keister and be mesmorized by the boob tube and all the disinformation that fills their brains.
Since when did our government become an adaption of Robin Hood where they take all our money and distribue it however they see fit. There needs to be
checks and balances in effect. If a business ran it's operations like the governement did there would be no business, it would be bankrupt and all
the management fired.
[edit on 10-9-2007 by photobug]
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