Originally posted by commodore64
Please dont manipulate this article you quoted. There is no such sentence like "scientists cannot explain all observed features". You are making a collage-cut-copy-paste from an article.

Commodore, unfortunately, you are splitting hair and trying to indulge in semantics. It does say, 'While the shepherd moon Prometheus is the main culprit behind the strange behavior of Saturn's F ring, it cannot explain all observed features."

So what does that imply? It implies that all observed strange behavior in the 'F' ring is not because of Prometheus. That is the conclusion of the scientists who cannot explain all observed features.

Now do you care to elucidate if I have manipulated the sentence? If you can, then I should go back to school and delve into Wren and Martin once again to brush up my command over the English language.

So the bottom line is that scientists don't know everything that's happening in the rings of Saturn. If they do, they're not telling us!

Thanks. Now back to the topic.

Cheers!



[edit on 17-9-2007 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by melzard
This image shows a cigar shaped object over Saturn. Some who work in government departments may have seen it.

Good Lord - There must be billions of Cancerians living in that thing, look at the size of it man !!!

I remember studying astronomy as a kid, when Saturn was the only known planet with rings; then as time progressed, Jupiter, Neptune and other rings got noticed. I wonder if there is evidence to suggest that this kind of ring-making activity may have formed the other rings which were previously undetectable?

"Lorentz-lengthened." No such critter, the Lorentz transformation for length is a contraction -- things in motion only get shorter. And it's only by about twelve percent at half the velocity of light, so it'd be unnoticable for any possible orbital speed around Saturn.

If these are ships, it would be reasonable to think they would similar to a "capital" ship capable of launching smaller craft. If they are real...why are they skulking in the solar system....what is their agenda...who are they....why not simply orbit earth and stop the subterfuge.

Good find internos. The object in this pic of yours resembles the one in the second pic of mine, with a projection like a sub’s sail!

It's almost seems as if someone threw a pile of complete garbage on the ground, and you guys would find SOMETHING to conspire about.

I'm not trying to insult you guys, but it comes down to picking out banana peels out of garbage cans to come up with something to fancy.

Specks on a lense, CGI, motion blurs, flashing lights. I've been here for maybe a few weeks and I still haven't seen much that I could find realistic, or could even consider realistic.

It's a huge brew of... garbage.

Please, somebody, break the glass and get the emergency "satisfy Sytima's desire for something good".

That's just how I feel about these forums at the moment. You guys seem like very good and nice people, and I don't intend for this to insult you.

[edit on 17-9-2007 by Sytima]

Originally posted by mikesingh
Good find internos. The object in this pic of yours resembles the one in the second pic of mine, with a projection like a sub’s sail!

That's the why i posted the pic #2. I have seen more in these days, closer to yours: i can't remember where.... too many sources!
I'll find them, of course...

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About the trolls, i decided to ignore them because the stupid people deserves a one-line answer, and i don't want to loose points because
of this.



[edit on 18/9/2007 by internos]

Originally posted by internos
I'd like to know yours, John's, zorgon's and someone else's opinion about this point.

I would agree... You did a great job putting that strip together

The shorter ones are brighter because if its moving slower it would record more light in the frame hence the fact that it is darker in the elongated ones as it covers more distance in the frame

Did you by any chance see a pattern? like two short one long? Haven;t had time to check

But the most important factor is its moving in a straight line past Saturn not following an orbital path

Its not a comet... moving to fast and no tail I wonder if we can figure out is it inbound or outbound?

Hmmm Took a closer look... if you watch the animation the frames with the long object also show more and fainter stars It might be longer exposures. If thats the case it maintained speed

[edit on 18-9-2007 by zorgon]

Perception is reality my friend and the human brain is easily manipulated. Not to say us "believers" aren't being manipulated. How ever go with what feels right to you. I for one find these pictures to corroborate a lot of other information and stories I have read.

BTW, awesome thread.

Originally posted by Sytima
It's almost seems as if someone threw a pile of complete garbage on the ground, and you guys would find SOMETHING to conspire about.

I'm not trying to insult you guys, but it comes down to picking out banana peels out of garbage cans to come up with something to fancy.

Specks on a lense, CGI, motion blurs, flashing lights. I've been here for maybe a few weeks and I still haven't seen much that I could find realistic, or could even consider realistic.

It's a huge brew of... garbage.

Please, somebody, break the glass and get the emergency "satisfy Sytima's desire for something good".

That's just how I feel about these forums at the moment. You guys seem like very good and nice people, and I don't intend for this to insult you.

[edit on 17-9-2007 by Sytima]

Originally posted by internos
i've already saved all on my HD, just in case they'd strangely disappear from NASA website, as many times happened before.

Dito and will be up on Mike's page soon Mind if I snag your clips?

Originally posted by zorgon
Did you by any chance see a pattern? like two short one long? Haven;t had time to check

Thank you zorgon: your opinion is really welcome

about the pattern... yes, it has been one of the first check i've done
(i try to do it always, with the cigar-shaped object, before posting);

This object (a single still)



A pattern (to compare):




Edit:
zorgon, feel free to take everithing you want, and please let me know if there's something you need that you can't download from here: i've a copy of all.


[edit on 18/9/2007 by internos]

Originally posted by mikesingh
Was he privy to secret info on which he based his book? That’s the million dollar question!

SciFi writers have a special insight... who knows maybe they are tuned into some cosmic record... Look at Jules Verne and his three man moon mission from Florida...

Either that or the script writers are looking at those NASA pictures we don't get to see

Originally posted by Sophismata And is the motto "deny ignorance" or is it "foster belief"?

You know I always get a kick out of how skeptics always use that "deny ignorance" line... Its really very arrogant you know...

If this female astronomer were to make a totally ridiculous statement "it's likely a meteor" WE would have to "Deny the Ignorance" of this 'astronomer' I would also immediately have to question that astronomer's credentials because how on Earth, or any where else in the galaxy, would a meteor leave a STREAK when the object is obviously way out of Saturn's atmosphere and showing NO signs of heading towards the surface and burning up??

John is right... this type of reasoning certainlt fits the mold at Bad Astronomy ( a very apt name for themselves I might add )

Am I the only one who *doesn't* see a huge alien craft being denied by Nasa?

Possibly, but I doubt any one else sees a meteor!