European anti-Semitism

i feel sorry for the semites. they've put up with so much # and hardship.

Thank you Zion for your wonderful posts.

This article is a load of crap. Another attempt at Zionists trying to play poor victim to silence any opposition to thier sick policies.

Banning Kosher meat? They havent done that, though they should. Many animal rights activists have condemned kosher slaughter as cruel and inhumane. I agree, humanity I care little for, but causing uneeded suffering to critters youre gonna eat is pointless. But thats just not Jews to blame, its thier siilly religious superstitions. Another reason karl Marx (another Jew, to boot,) stated religion as the opiate of the masses.

It is typical Zionist behavior to label anyone who opposes Israel or Zionist is anti semetic. This is done to stiffle opposition or criticism As has been stated, few jews left that are truly semites, while the Arabs are mostly semites, so the biggest anti semites in the world are the Zionist Talmudic jews themselves.

Thus, hating Zionists does not make one anti semetic or anti jewish anymore than hating bush and his goons makes one anti american. Mosques get attacked and firebombed too, as do churches, no one is exempt. And it is worthy to note, that while Hitler hated Jews, he was a strict vegetarian who hated animal cruelty and meat, thus the other half of why he banned Kosher slaughter. Banning it does not make a nation a bunch of Nazis.

Pull thine heaD OUT OF THINE ASSES, zIONIST LACKEYS.

Most people in the world today choose not to say anything negitive about Israel because they will be labelled anti - semitism or a "Nazi". Just because Germany doesn't agree with Israel actions doesn't mean they are anti - semitism like 1940s Germany.

Zionist will use anti - Semitism and the halocaust to get there own way and to make people believe in there actions. Europe is more anti - muslim then it is anti - Semitism. Under new EU laws, if you say anything which is negitive about the halocaust, you can face a prison sentenece.As for muslims, a stereotypical terrorist now is a muslim male, most terrorist suspects today are mulsims. The european muslim community suffers from racism since sept 11th and some people have even gone as far to blame the islamic faith for arise in terrorism.

So what im saying is just because someone doesn't agree with Israel ,or anythin which is jewish, doesn't make them anti - Semitism or a nazi

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
The far right ? Well, the most anti-semit peoples in Europe just right now are not from the far right.

They are from the left , the far left and the Ecologists.

The far right is pretty quiet now.We don't hear them anymore. But the left, the far-left and the ecologists....Gee...I think they have read Mein Kampf to much !

I don't know where you live, dude, but Ecologist have far better concerns than bashing the jews.

BTW: This thread made me laugh, because such an obvious propaganda was taken so seriously... xDDDDDD

...I reed amazing statement regarding us europeans by people wich really seems to never have been here and still put faith on this lighthearted assumption... Lol

[Edited on 2003-8-11 by MakodFilu]

Originally posted by MakodFilu

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
The far right ? Well, the most anti-semit peoples in Europe just right now are not from the far right.

They are from the left , the far left and the Ecologists.

The far right is pretty quiet now.We don't hear them anymore. But the left, the far-left and the ecologists....Gee...I think they have read Mein Kampf to much !

I don't know where you live, dude, but Ecologist have far better concerns than bashing the jews.

Ultra_Phoenix is correct on this. Traditional anti-semitism has been a right-wing phenominon, but there have been recent attempts left-wing sympathies.

The argument goes like this:

Radical left-wingers are anti global capitalization. They see it as a threat to the environment (corporations export manufactuing to countries with the weakest environmental protection) and to union labor who can't compete with third world wages.

Anti-jewish militant islamic fundamentalism presents global capitalization as a jewish conspiracy. A variation of the old "jews are going to take over the world by controlling all the money" PCT scenario.

This creates (or is attempting to create) a weird marriage between islamic fundamentalism and radical left-wing movements in Europe that is anti-jew and anti-Israel.

Keep in mind that islamic populations in Europe are rising.

Originally posted by Mycroft
Radical left-wingers are anti global capitalization. They see it as a threat to the environment (corporations export manufactuing to countries with the weakest environmental protection) and to union labor who can't compete with third world wages.

Anti-jewish militant islamic fundamentalism presents global capitalization as a jewish conspiracy. A variation of the old "jews are going to take over the world by controlling all the money" PCT scenario.

This creates (or is attempting to create) a weird marriage between islamic fundamentalism and radical left-wing movements in Europe that is anti-jew and anti-Israel.

Keep in mind that islamic populations in Europe are rising.

I still don't see the supposed 'marriage' xDDDD
Most ecologist would laugh to such association: in your own words, they are fighting global capitalization. So anti-jewish accuse Israel of being the supporter of Global capitalization? Most ecologist would see that as silly: the major supporter of global capitalization is USA.

Mycroft, i doubt any left-inspired or socialist movement is racist. In fact these movements are (most of the time) universalist and humanist, which in particular means anti-racist. The confusion comes from the fact that many leftists criticize Sharon nowadays, because of his racist and genocidal policies, and his war crimes record. The Pro-israeli right wing tries to depict this as antisemitism in order to discredit the critics of Israel. Don't let yourself be fooled by ultra-zionist propaganda.





[Edited on 11-8-2003 by Mokuhadzushi]

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
Mycroft, i doubt any left-inspired or socialist movement is racist. In fact these movements are (most of the time) universalist and humanist, which in particular means anti-racist.

For the most part, they're not racist. There is, however, a media campaign to shift them in that direction.

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi The confusion comes from the fact that many leftists criticize Sharon nowadays, because of his racist and genocidal policies, and his war crimes record.

Wow, I could not have made my point better.

All around the world there are dozens of armed conflicts happening right now. Cival wars, border disputes, you name it. Most of these conflicts go unreported by the world press, the attrocities unnoticed by the world community. Yet somehow, when the conflict involves Israel, the media attention is there along with a lot of criticism.

Israel has been in a state of war since its birth in 1947. In war, bad things happen. It's hard to show restraint when you're fighting for your existance. Under the circumstances, Israel has always shown a great deal of restraint, yet their actions are characterized as racist, genocidal war crimes.

Originally posted by MokuhadzushiThe Pro-israeli right wing tries to depict this as antisemitism in order to discredit the critics of Israel. Don't let yourself be fooled by ultra-zionist propaganda.

I've put a lot of effort into researching the issues and history of the region. Israel hasn't always been the good-guy, but neither have they been the villians they are made out to be. Anti-semitism is not just a word used to discredit critics, it's a real phenominon that isn't exposed often enough.

Why is zionist a bad word?

"Why is zionist a bad word?"

Zionist, is not a bad word to me. ultra-zionist, or zionist extremists, those people that break UN resolutions, drive forward illegal settlement, the IDF war crimes, the fence, racial-based land ownership and marriage laws, and to say the least, condescending views towards non-zionists and especially diaspora jews are, to my thinking, the natural counterpart of the islamic fundamentalists. They both see the solution of their problems in the radicalization of confrontation. These both parties are equally responsible for violence in the mid east. Why is there currently media attention on Israel ? Well i find it only natural since Israel is part of the mid-east and is involved in a substantial part of the mid-east's problems. Why is there media attention on human rights and war crimes ? Well we just had a war there that took all media attention. There is nothing antisemitic in that.


[Edited on 11-8-2003 by Mokuhadzushi]

The comment about kosher slaughter was among the stupidest things I have ever heard.

You apparently consider it ok to shoot an animal and let it bleed to death. Now I'll admit I don't own a slaughterhouse ... but the rules of kosher slaughter are as follows.

1) Must be done in one motion
2) Must be done in a specific place in the neck that causes INSTANT DEATH (in other words not painful and drawn out)
3) Must be done with a knife that has no nicks or dents in it to guarantee that the cut is smooth and brief.
4) Can not be done to an animal with any ailment at all

Skadi, it is clear to me that you have done little or no research to support your statement about kosher slaughter, in fact the very way you claim it to be so bad shows that you don't even know what the idea of kosher slaughter is meant to do. I really wish people like you would do some research into what kosher is before you open your mouth about it.
The preffered killing methods of some non-kosher establishments e.g. traps in which the animals slowly die, gunshots from which they bleed to death, or better yet chemicals the consumer later ingests, don't sound so humane to me. The simply arrived at conclusion is that you, and those supporting the ban of kosher meat sales don't know what in the world you are talking about.

[Edited on 8-11-2003 by Djarums]

Originally posted by Djarums
The comment about kosher slaughter was among the stupidest things I have ever heard.

You apparently consider it ok to shoot an animal and let it bleed to death. Now I'll admit I don't own a slaughterhouse

... but the rules of kosher slaughter are as follows.

1) Must be done in one motion
2) Must be done in a specific place in the neck that causes INSTANT DEATH (in other words not painful and drawn out)
3) Must be done with a knife that has no nicks or dents in it to guarantee that the cut is smooth and brief.
4) Can not be done to an animal with any ailment at all

Skadi, it is clear to me that you have done little or no research to support your statement about kosher slaughter, in fact the very way you claim it to be so bad shows that you don't even know what the idea of kosher slaughter is meant to do. I really wish people like you would do some research into what kosher is before you open your mouth about it.
The preffered killing methods of some non-kosher establishments e.g. traps in which the animals slowly die, gunshots from which they bleed to death, or better yet chemicals the consumer later ingests, don't sound so humane to me. The simply arrived at conclusion is that you, and those supporting the ban of kosher meat sales don't know what in the world you are talking about.

I wonder wether Skadi has a view on Halal slaughter?
The animal is forced to bleed to death using this method.

I'm neutral on the subject. But it's interesting to see somebody use the ritualistic killing of food as a way of attacking others.

I'd really like to know how a nation of a few million amoungst hundreds of millions can be such a villian?

Did Jews put Arabs in gas chambers, incinerators?
Did Jews actually steal the sliver of desert from the Arabs who attempted to annihilate them but failed?

What about Jerusalem? Is this an Arab city?
If you don't believe Jesus was a Jew, you will believe him when he comes for you on the Mount of Olives.

The hatred for these people here is palpable and disgusting. I pity some of you for your futures.

Leveller, you're making a mistake by assuming that skadi is knowledgable about the issue, or even cares about the issue. He's more concerned with his own little agenda obviously. Otherwise one wouldn't post so passionately about something he has zero familiarity with

As for halal/kosher etc... i don't know so much about the procedures of something being considered halal, i do however know that for kosher the animal does not bleed to death. Yes all the blood does come out as a result of the wound made, BUT the location that the wound is inflicted is one that kills the animal immediately, rather than allowing it to die slow.

I suppose the super civilized europeans who ignorantly criticize this process have a better way of doing it. Perhaps one that kills the animal faster than immediately. Maybe they pamper the cow at a french spa for 4 hours before they kill it.

Again the only conclusion that can be made is that those who criticize this procedure either don't know how to read, or have no interest in reading.

Oh and yes, as said above, Jesus was Jewish. No one, jew or christian can deny that as it is recorded in many places in the traditions of both religions.

come on guys

everybody knows that America is heavily influenced by jews & freinds. If that is good or bad i dont know. But jews surely knows how to take care of themselves.
If you think really hard about it, which race is the only one that is protecting themselves as a race? jews.

The rest of you guys should be multietnic to be politically correct. (at least if you live in USA)
This however only shows that the jews are more clever than the rest of us.

For the record:
i dont have anything against jews as a race or a people.
BUT i guess i have those "ecologist leftist views" in case of secret (also Talmudic-jewish) elite etc. Thats funny cos in everything else i am quite conservative.

All this left-right nazi stuff is just bull, in order for UP and the gang to keep in shape with the defence of the jewish race.
wake up: theres no conspiracy against the jews. It ended 55 years ago. - You can pack down the war, and introduce some peace. Even the Israelis might enjoy that...

[Edited on 13-8-2003 by innerRevolution]

Djarums, you moron, before adressing anyone, make damn sure you know thier gender. Im a SHE, you #ing twinkie.

Most ecologist would see that as silly: the major supporter of global capitalization is USA.

And who pulls the strings on the US? Zionist bastards. Its pretty obvious.

I know enough about kosher slaughter to know that the oold quick hack method is far more merciful.

It is cruelty fueled by outdated stone age religious superstition.

And lets not get into the Kosher stamp on everything you eat in this damn country.