Understanding the Iran Dis-Info Campaign, page 3
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reply posted on 29-10-2007 @ 12:16 PM by Harlequin
I thought i had seen this situation and campaign before

en.wikipedia.org...

yes its wikki but it a potted version of what i remember seeing along time ago.

the puppet in south vietnam was not doing what the US wanted so they wanted to engineer a `popular` coup to replace him - but war overtook events.

So you can see the US sometimes gets its hand bitten when meddling in other countries afairs - they sided with Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war.


reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 12:17 AM by unfiguroutable
reply to post by BitRaiser


he dissolved the parliament using a referendum to avoid impeachment. This act was characterized as unconstitutional by some of his closest allies as well as opponents, and led to the Shah's dismissing him from office on August 16, 1953 [4][5][6][7][8]. Mossadegh later insisted that the text of the constitution was subject to interpretation, and that his actions had been in accordance with its spirit rather than its text ...

ya sounds like a real boy scout



reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 02:48 AM by BitRaiser
reply to post by unfiguroutable



Did I, or anyone else, suggest that he's a shining example of a perfect political leader?

No.

That's not the issue here, nor the topic of the thread.
We are discussing the fallacies that have propagated throughout western media concerning claims that are provably wrong (if not outright lies).

Or do you honestly believe that holding a referendum (which is a democratic process involving a vote by the people) is just cause to go to war with Iran?


reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 04:19 PM by unfiguroutable
reply to post by BitRaiser



you sought to validate a despot. i simply pointed out how undeserving of your favor he is. as for as a referendum goes it will be the president and foriegn policy that desides if we actually act aggressivly in iran. we do not need a formal declaration of war to bomb iran. and in fact with the current war resulting in the politicizing of so many american deaths i seriously doubt we will declare war on iran any time soon. not to say we wont kill iranians. i am farly certain we are already doing that.


reply posted on 6-11-2007 @ 02:39 AM by khunmoon
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Great OP, Bitraiser. Have to point out an error you make in your opening quote, more an extract from Wiki than a quote actually. You write: "...removed the democratically-elected administration of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and his cabinet from power and replaced it with a monarchy."

Sorry, not correct, the Pahlavi dynasty had the power from 1921, were a cozak officer, Reza Khan overthrew the weak and crumbling Quatar dynasty, more or less choked to death by the Imperial wars of Russia and Britain, to whom it had lost half its territory. Famine and a new order after WW1 -and Reza Khan- did the rest.

It was in the wake of WW2, with socialism riding the wave of popularity that Mossadegh for a short while managed to establish a democratic rule, so it is not correct to say "Iran was a democracy right up until 1953".

Besides for that, a great thread I didn't become aware of before today.

I would like to add, Mossadegh is still today the great light of any freedom movement in the ME or Arabian world. And that it was the British, who had the intention, but not quite the power to have him overthrown for nationalising the Caspian Sea oil ...on which the Anglo-Iranian Oil company, later to become BP, held the concession.

Playing on John Foster Dulles' pathetic fear of communism, the Brits managed to motivate him, and in turn to get his brother Allen Welsh Dulles, head of CIA at the time, to put Kermit Roosevelt on the disinfo campaign that lead to the coup.

Disinfo campaigns always do the job, this time I just hope they won't.


reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 12:41 AM by BitRaiser
reply to post by khunmoon



What I've read on the subject supports the claim that it was a US/UK coupe that overthrew Democratic Iran. If you have a link to some good reading to counter this, I'd appreciate seeing it!

Honestly, I didn't know much about Iran until I started to smell the BS of another mass-media disinformation campaign and started doing some research... which led to the creation of this thread. Since then, I've continued to keep an eye on things and read whatever I come across.

Otherwise, glad we're on the same page.



reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 08:41 AM by khunmoon
You do a great job with this thread Bitraiser, and I'm not critizising only trying to correct. Concerning the history of Iran it's all too easy to get a few things wrong.

What I wrote is merely what I know, confirming through Wiki, dates, names and details.

Of course you are perfectly right it was a UK/US installed coup, I never opposed that, it was more the timeline and the claim of installing the shah, and they up to then should have had democracy in Iran.

For the first part... your misunderstanding is understandable.

It was a reinstallment of the the Shah the final coup and staging brought in August 1953, I just learn it now after further Wiki reading. That there was two coup attempt in 1953. The first was a mock coup to be unsuccessful and let the Shah flee to Italy, to stir up riots and emotions, to create a blackmail to the opposition, all part of plan AJAX.

A tidbit
from Wiki
CIA operatives pretending to be socialists and nationalists threatened Muslim leaders with "savage punishment if they opposed Mossadegh," thereby giving the impression that Mossadegh was cracking down on dissent, and stirring anti-Mossadegh sentiments within the religious community


Shah Reza Pahlavi had been installed already in 1941, when the Brits occupied the German friendly Iran in a pre-emptive move to secure its oil. His father, the old Shah was exiled and forced to abdicate in favour of his 22-year-old son, who you can say was installed then. He should prove a willing puppet, who fully restored concessions.

As a sidenote: the key of the 1951 nationalisations by Mossadegh was the D'Arcy concession of 1901, a 60-year concession bought for a one-time payment 10.000 pounds. It was the start of what should become BP, blackmailing a decadent feudal lord with his extravagant life style. Imagine, 10 grands for all the Caspian Sea oil.


As for the second part, if Iran had democracy up to 1953, it is harder to determine. If constitutional parliamentarism is Democracy, yes they had then, as they had up to 1979.

Wiki:
...by December 31, 1906 the Shah signed the constitution, modeled primarily from the Belgium Constitution. The Shah was from there on "under the rule of law, and the crown became a divine gift given to the Shah by the people.



The most interesting character, and a keyfigure in the 1953 coup is John Foster Dulles, a wellknown paranoic who found an alley in Churchill and his communist fobia. He was the driving force, and with his brother, head of CIA, the one who pulled the strings. The British had since 51 in vain tried Trumann to take action, and Eisenhower wasn't keen at it either, but his SoS was. The Eisenhower era was drawm by JFD. IMO.

The only research I can hint at is Wiki. Search any keyword in this post.


reply posted on 14-11-2007 @ 06:18 AM by thistle
The Warmongers will now say "I told you so"!--

www.jpost.com...

After years of stonewalling, Iran has given the UN nuclear agency blueprints showing how to mold uranium metal into the shape of warheads, diplomats said Tuesday, in an apparent concession meant to head off the threat of new UN sanctions.



My reply:

www.guardian.co.uk...

But it's worse than that. Deep in the bowels of the CIA, someone must be nervously, but very privately, wondering: "Whatever happened to those nuclear blueprints we gave to the Iranians?"

The Russian, who had defected to the US years earlier, still couldn't believe the orders he had received from CIA headquarters. The CIA had given him the nuclear blueprints and then sent him to Vienna to sell them - or simply give them - to the Iranian representatives to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).


reply posted on 14-2-2009 @ 06:48 AM by rich23
Just wanted to say I support the thread. Where disinfo is concerned, it's always important to just, you know, keep an eye on the facts.

For my own part, I'm quite glad I managed to kill
this thread with this post. Most important line:

WE'RE THREE PAGES IN AND NO-ONE, NO-ONE, HAS CHECKED THE BASIC FACTS OF THE STORY.


Sorry about the caps... it seemed like a good idea in context. Actually, in context, it still does. And to be fair, it's not just the right-wingers who post this kind of nonsense - although they, I think, are more organised and it's to do with a real agenda. I did post this thread to demonstrate my disdain for people who leap to conclusions without checking facts first.

But, really, leaping to conclusions is the forte of the right wing authoritarian. I've had fun in the past pointing out when RWAs (who do infest this board more than I'd like, though of course, God love 'em, they're entitled to voice their opinions, no matter how stupid and inane) fulfil each of the criteria listed. Good sport, if at times a little like shooting fish in a barrel...

Anyway, things seem to have calmed down a bit now. Though you just know that people out there still believe all that BS.


EDIT to add: if anyone wants to do some research, there's a fascinating fact about Iran that I don't think has been mentioned thus far: there's a large and thriving community of Jews living there quite happily who wouldn't move to Israel if you paid 'em.

Another interesting and strangely under-reported fact for the pile.

Peace,

R

[edit on 14-2-2009 by rich23]
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