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Madeline McCann's mother to be an official suspect

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posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
One of the things which I notice about the McCanns, as they present themselves to the media is their similarity to the Ramsays from the Jonbenet Ramsey case. You have the firm, calm, in charge, father spokesperson, accompanied by a wife who looks as if she is going to sprout six inch toenails and leathery wings and fly up to the ceiling to hang upside down.


Almost lock-step. The detached, coldish demeanor, the hiring of a PR firm, the "get in every camera and play the media" activity...and the list could go on. It's chillingly similar.




posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 12:33 PM
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I think many of the recent posts are spot on. Particularly about cooly being able to assess the situation when it went wrong and making a decision to not allow their lives to fall apart by being found out.

And yes, bright enough people to think through a whole campaign in advance. Why, incidentally, was their organisation set up as a limited company with shareholders rather than as a charity with trustees ?

Of course the company is gonig to pay the legal bill - just like all the other bills so far including, ironically and unbelievably sadly, the hire car.



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 12:36 PM
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The fund did not not meet the requirements for a UK charity as it was aimed at an individual only so it had to be a limited company.



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 01:57 PM
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Sky news now reportin in breakin news the Police have damning evidence -

Sky crime correspondent Martin Brunt said police felt the find was "damning".

He said the sample of blood sent to the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham carried three matches of Madeleine's DNA.

"The samples that came back last week produced three matches to Madeleine's DNA," Brunt said.

"In the apartment police found one full match on a windowsill. That perhaps is not so important as Madeleine had been staying in the apartment for two weeks.

"In the hire car, five weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, police found a partial match.

"That might be explained by transfer onto clothes.

"But the crucial thing is that police have also found a second full match.

"Police say that is the most damning evidence that has been returned by the tests.

"It shows, as far as they are concerned, the presence of Madeleine's body in the car five weeks after she disappeared."

news.sky.com...



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 02:07 PM
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At the various news outlets I've been watching today I think we can put a clearer picture now on the evidence they found in the hire car.
As Sky is just reporting the DNA evidence is now 100% match and appears to come from 'Blood Smears' as reported on Channel 4 news and found underneath the car boot carpet in the Spare Tyre bay as shown by ITV news. Coupled with the Sniffer dogs going crazy at the car. Looks pretty damning to me.



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 02:14 PM
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It might not be the only evidence the police have.

"Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today. The intercepts are said to have been made in a joint operation conducted by Portuguese and British police officers.
Diario de Noticias reports investigators have already concluded that the missing four-year-old was killed in the apartment where she slept in Praia da Luz.
It says that Maddy's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann (right), and their friends who were holidaying at the Ocean Club, will be brought in for further questioning. Police are awaiting new tests from the McCanns' Renault Scenic.
According to another paper, Jornal de Noticias, police want to examine inconsistencies in the statements of Kate and Gerry McCann, who were interviewed separately late into the night early on in the investigation. In particular, they want to focus on a three-hour period in which only the McCanns saw Madeleine.
Respected news agency Lusa quotes one police source saying that they think "there's light at the end of the tunnel" and that the authorities have "an idea of what could have happened" to the four-year-old.
Police have known "for a month" that Madeleine had died in the apartment, it is widely reported. The tabloid newspaper 24 Horas says that the police are looking for Madeleine's body in the sea, helped by English sniffer dogs. They have intensified searches around the nearby town of Lagos and along the Algarvian coast, it says.



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 03:08 PM
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The portuguese police have confirmed that the DNA sample found in the car is that of the girl, aparantley there are 13 of a necesary 16 genetic matches putting it in the 99.9% positive bracket...and now they say on tv here is Spain, that the lawyer that will defend them ( of course if there innocent he wont be needed will he) is the same that defended GENERAL PINOCHET, military man dictator and general all around despot & mass murderer, when he had problems with extradition etc to chile....Why find yourself a specialist in the field of extradition dodging if you feel your not guilty and you wont have to go back ??? And the lawyer wont be cheap either..lucky they got a bit stashed away thanks to Maddie eh!!


[edit on 10-9-2007 by andy1972]



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 03:13 PM
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Today i have come to the conclusion that i hate the media.

I cant help but feel that they are just spewing out more and more rubbish as this continues.

I read somewhere that the d.n.a. could have come from one of the children who may have been playing with madelines toys.

I dont trust d.n.a. testing at all.I read the metro (free rag) and a comment rang alarm bells for me and that was that i could shake your hand then go and commit a murder and your d.n.a. would be left at the crime scene.

The british police dont put much stock into the Portuguese testing either.That is why they are doing more testing.

And as for the fact that they returned home makes them look more guilty what rubbish.

As a parent if foreign authorities told me that my remaining children would be put into foreign care i would want to get them the hell out of that country.Maybe they want relatives to look after them while they deal with this situation.

A different idea:
Remember this comment "Those that cure you will kill you"?
Maybe they were meeting some terrorists? Its just a thought but Madeline was meant to have been spotted with Arabs (by the way that comment was from newspapers not myself) "get up lttle girl", plus the fact that kate mcann said "theyve taken her".

I really dont know what the truth is but i would look at things from both sides as the media has contributed to making this whole investigation a complete and utter mess.They dont know the truth and as ive stated before they will always put their opinions across before facts.

Also i would like to add that i dont agree with them leaving their children in a room alone that is why social services are now considering putting them into care.But social services are sick weirdos themselves and if anything they should be left with an aunt or other close relative and not have their mental state worsened by taking them away.



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by tracey ace
Today i have come to the conclusion that i hate the media.
I dont trust d.n.a. testing at all.I read the metro (free rag) and a comment rang alarm bells for me and that was that i could shake your hand then go and commit a murder and your d.n.a. would be left at the crime scene.

The british police dont put much stock into the Portuguese testing either.That is why they are doing more testing.





The DNA testin was done in Birmingham UK as requested by the Portuguese Police.

The UK forensic team then passed this information to the Portuguese.
What they do with the results is up to them



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 04:22 PM
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Thanks for that foriZ.Your comment helped me find this comment by the guardian.


The source said the DNA from the rental car had come from the interior of the vehicle and not from blood. Given the passage of time, it 'could have come from any item, [such as] clothing, which Madeleine had contact with before she went missing'.


This comment can be found here and i recommend that people read it in its entireity as the article may open a few eyes.

observer.guardian.co.uk...



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by tracey ace
Thanks for that foriZ.Your comment helped me find this comment by the guardian.


The source said the DNA from the rental car had come from the interior of the vehicle and not from blood. Given the passage of time, it 'could have come from any item, [such as] clothing, which Madeleine had contact with before she went missing'.


This comment can be found here and i recommend that people read it in its entireity as the article may open a few eyes.

observer.guardian.co.uk...

news.sky.com...

Unfortunately for the McCanns it has been revealed tonight that the DNA match in the car is now 100%, such a match does not come from trace contact unfortunately.



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 04:39 PM
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i cannot believe some one actually said this

Amid the shock of the shift in the investigation and alarm over the possibility of formal charges, the McCanns' family and closest friends yesterday rallied in support. One friend, describing the 'ordeal' of hours of police questioning on Friday and Saturday, remarked last night: 'They did not give Portuguese police the satisfaction of crying.'

i lost contact with my daughter for 7 years and the first 3 years, it broke me.
i cried my heart out every where
and i knew my daughter was safe, i just didnt know where she was.

'They did not give Portuguese police the satisfaction of crying.'
thats the saddest statement i have heard yet


i keep getting this feeling that this case goes further than what we know
for little madelines sake i really hope i am wrong
its a sad world

[edit on 10-9-2007 by spliffy]



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 04:45 PM
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So what we have here is two conflicting news stories.

I am so confused . I wish the police would come out and make a statement on the facts .

Yestaday it was 75% and today it is 100%.

Sky news states

The evidence came in blood samples returned from the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham.


Yet the guardian states

The source said the DNA from the rental car had come from the interior of the vehicle and not from blood.


edited to add this

Sky News UK cited unidentified sources and authorities would not confirm the information.


from here www.news.com.au...

[edit on 10-9-2007 by tracey ace]



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 04:53 PM
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A few questions occur to me and maybe some members might be more familiar with the case than me ?

There was an anonymous tip allegedly from a Psychic that she was buried in the Portugese countryside. Was that tip more than 25 days after Madeline's disappearance ?

Did they ever trace the so called psychic tipster ?
Could the psychic tipster be a friend or accomplice ?

Was Robert Murat a friend of the couple ?
Did Murat ever drive or ride in the hire car ?

What is known about the people who rented the car at the time Madeline was reported missing ?
Were those people even in town ?

When blood is splattered, it takes an effort to clean op the signs. Is there proof of cleaning agents on walls or carpets where the blood was found, both in the car and in the apartment and were they the same cleaning agents ?

For the blood in the car to be Madeline's the body must have been hidden somewhere.

Where was that ?

Did the McCann's drive their car to Murat's house ?

Did Portugese Police track movements of the rental car ?
Did journalists follow the McCann's car ?



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by tracey ace
So what we have here is two conflicting news stories.

I am so confused . I wish the police would come out and make a statement on the facts .


Even though I agree that the anxiety cases like these build up is in the very least frustrating I don't think the origin is in how long the law enforcement agencies take to issue statements. As a matter in fact I think that as things are too much is said without certainty. The media keep quoting police sources before all evidence is gathered and that is what confuses everyone. I for one am glad that unlike the media, the police is not as hasty to make statements and accusations.

The police's job is to investigate and gather the evidence required for justice to be served. Not to inform. Not to give news.

We're confused and frustrated not because the police (of both countries) are taking their time to thoroughly investigate this awful crime (regardless of who was responsible) but instead because of the ridiculous claims and statements that the media (of both countries) clumsily and desperately make every minute.

My personal opinion is that aside from the greater tragedy - Madeline's - this disgusting circus only comes to again show how much an enemy of justice and fairness the media can be when it gets out of control.

Curiosity is natural and the media feed from it. But I for one would rather wait anxiously for a thoroughly studied conclusion than being immersed in conflicting speculations and half-news day in day out whose only accomplishment is throw us off what is really important.

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posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 05:26 PM
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I may have been interpreted wrongly.I should have said that i wish the police would make a statement to shut the media up.

I have noticed that people tend to believe the bad stories and i just wanted to add a different view that maybe they are innocent and i hope and pray that Madeline is returned and the twins dont end up with social services.

After all if Madeline is quoted dead by the media then they no longer have to look for her and if the public believe this also then they wont look either.

[edit on 10-9-2007 by tracey ace]



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 05:27 PM
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SKY news has turned its plates on its infamous reporting style sensing the smell of a potential breaking news much earlier that expected.
BBC is waiting for the 'official confirmation'.

if there is 99% DNA match in the car boot then it is a bit disturbing - and I wish I knew bit more technicality of DNA profiling to find out whether or what 'accidental transfer' means in this instance.



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 05:29 PM
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I am hearing arrest warrant's could be issued as soon as tomorrow and for the McCann's to return to Portugal to face charges.

If this happens, without a body so many holes in the evidence I doubt it will even make trial.



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 05:40 PM
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There was a case in New Zealand of the disappearance of two young people in the Marlborough sounds from about 1999 in which there was a conviction with no bodies ever being found.

The fact Madeline's blood was found in the car 25 days after her disappearance is too great of an inconsistency to ignore.

The onus is now on the McCann's to explain those inconsistencies.



posted on Sep, 10 2007 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by sy.gunson


The onus is now on the McCann's to explain those inconsistencies.


Very true but also a few other people could be involved as well in this case.

Some close friends of the McCann's



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