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Madeline McCann's mother to be an official suspect

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posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Flyer
Portuguese police have asked for an emergency warrant to seize an as yet, unnamed item from them.


The lead prosecutor has asked the judge. What this object could be even I don't know.




posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 06:08 PM
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what they want will be the doll the mother ALWAYS carry´s. It was the doll that the girl slept with.

When they put the girl to sleep, or drugged her to sleep, they say that the doll, as always was with her.

But the police found the doll on a shelf well out of the reach of the girl..

so whoever took the doll of the girl and put it on the shelf is the one who kiled her or was in the room at the time...

So the DNA of the killer/s has to be on the doll..and if there isnt anyone elses DNA on the doll minus maddie, mummy and daddy one of the three is the killer...and i dont think its a suicide case.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 07:39 PM
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Telaylien I think you misunderstand the facts. It was not a case of the body fluids and hairs being found 25 days after the disappearance.




I had not heard of the decomposition that was found on the mother's clothing until I read the posts pertaining to Madeline. I did hear of the trace elements of blood found in the rental - strange that after 25 days, that was still in the vehicle. Here in the States, after you turn in a rented vehicle, the vehicle is cleaned from top to bottom for the next customer. That means shampooing the floor mats, vacuuming the vehicle and disposing of any trash



The car was not rented until 25 days after the disappearance. Three days later the couple flew to Rome and the car remained with the children and Gerry's sister in Portugal.

Actually, why weren't the twins taken to Rome too ?

What a twist that the twins are not related to Gerry ?

As for cleaning cars, who is to say that the car was examined by Police after it's return?

You are just assuming that. When cars are cleaned how many times are cleaners so thorough that they check under the spare tyre ?

Why would hair and body fluid be found under the tyre anyway ?

One hair might be transfer. Blood on a wall in the apartment isn't transfer. Blood under a spare tyre isn't transfer.

Can anybody comment on Gerry's sister and where she was on 3 May ?



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 08:19 PM
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Personally, I find it interesting that the "cuddle cat" was washed. To me it suggests that there might be something important on the cuddle cat that had to be removed. I think in most cases something owned by a lost loved one wouldn't be washed. I know this might sound odd but in cases like this even the lingering aroma of someone on their clothing, toys or something like that would be treasured, although in fairness, they must have many other of Madeleine's possessions that would fill the bill. What could have been on the cat, traces of saliva with traces of a drug in it?

I've worked in security for a long time and for all long-time security guards, the study of body language is integral to the job. Where I'm from, we don't carry weapons and often we are working alone with no back-up. Functioning in that kind of environment means that you really have to hone your observational skills. I'm beginning to think that the Portugese police had it wrong. I think that she's protecting Gerry. If one of them did it, I think he's the one. He is overly masterful and she is overly deferential to him.

However, in the event that they are telling the truth, I believe it is important to know about everyone who had access to the "hire car" up to the moment that the police became aware of the DNA in it. DNA could have been planted in the car long after the murder, by the murderer, if he knew about the McCann's connection to the car.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 08:53 PM
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I have been following this case now for over 3 months..

The best information available is on The Daily Mirror (british tabloid) Forum


www.mirror.co.uk...

Forums/Hunt for Maddy


Your very welcome to come and join our search for Justice for Madeleine


PJ



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 09:48 PM
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I went to the mirror site linked above and saw another link to a late summary of the forensic evidence which is worth reading. They seem very positive about the DNA matches to Madeleine. Another article says that the police have applied for warrants to dig up sites of paving work near the church where Kate and Gerry went to mass in Prahia de Luz. It sounds as if they are hot on a trail of some sort. I wonder if the dogs noticed something in the paving sites.

www.mirror.co.uk...

Another story at the Mirror site on the subject of the "forty questions" that the McCanns refused to answer is very damning. The police will have had a chance to observe them very closely during those interrogations. It would be very hard to fool the cops in a situation like that.

The police are said to have told Kate that they had found blood in the apartment that came from Madeleine, as a corpse. She said that she didn't think it was possible, according to the press report. When they started asking about the blood found in the car, she refused to answer any questions and became agitated. None of this means that she is guilty, of course, as any defense attorney would tell you.



[edit on 11-9-2007 by ipsedixit]



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 01:17 AM
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There is a possibility that one parent is innocent and not party to this.

For both to be ignorant is huge stretch.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 02:40 AM
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reply to post by andy1972
 


My understanding is that the "emergency warrant" for search could relate to either an object or a place. Under the circumstances of the investigation the police should have had full powers to examine any item directly associated with the crime scene so it seems very unlikely that the doll hasn't already been dealt with.

The most likely scenario is that they want to search the church where the McCanns had free access through their own keys in the weeks after Madeleine's disappearance. The original warrants would not have allowed a search of a church according to reports this morning.

It may also be significant that there were a great deal of works going on near the church at the time. One of the early concerns was that the child may have wandered off and fallen in to one of the quite deep excavations and it is being suggested now that the police want to examine this area as well.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 04:30 AM
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I'll pitch in here, didn't realise there was actually a thread on this subject and saw it on the main board.

I have been suspicious of this whole situation right from the start. From hearing that they left her and her sisters in the apartment whilst they had a meal struck me as very wrong to begin with but i guess that's another thread entirely, would you leave your kids? etc etc.

It's impossible to predict what they are going through but for a couple to be so willing to stay in Portugal and get involved in traveling here there and everywhere, meeting the Pope, seeing a fund being raised for their daughter toppling a million pounds. All through that their demeanour has fascinated me and i have been watching them very closely. It just seems like there is something hidden behind these public showings, it's like they are sharing something between them that nobody knows about (Until now). I swear i can see it the more this thing takes shape. Does anyone else feel that unnerving "Wrongness" about the whole thing?.

After so many months adamantly stating that they were going to stay in Portugal until the girl was found, once the Police officially named them as suspects the next DAY they fly home as quick as anything. Of course i can't imagine the circumstances behind this, maybe they got really angry at the sharp turn of events and decided to get out of there asap.

Kate McCann seems to strike me as very suspicious, more so than Gerry. It was interesting to see that Kate went into her Police interview with the Cuddle Cat firmly gripped in her hand and left without it, did the Police take it from her? And why on earth would you wash it?.

Now that they are back in the UK absolutely swamped with parked media outside their home 24/7, their next phase has been to appoint a top Lawyer to represent them if they are charged with Madeleines murder but i heard on BBC news 24 last night that there could be a possibility that they will dip into the Madeleine fund to pay for the legal costs.

If this actually happens you can see the massive uproar that will cause, bringing further unwanted animosity to them. If they have to pay for their own legal costs? I bet top Lawyers don't come cheap so basically whichever road they take, (and this thing has only just begun, we are going to see many months of this if actually taken to court) they are going to end up flat broke, so their fate is sealed whether they actually were involved in the girls abduction or not. It's pretty sad all round really, and the media LOVE it. I'm sorry if this has offended anyone but it's just my personal opinion, and i think that either one or both of the McCanns were involved in the disappearence of their daughter.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 04:37 AM
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I don't know... when I was young, I remember going out on my own especially in a resort situation. I even remember buying Piña Coladas in the Bahamas and charging them to the room (when I was like 10
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Of course, that was like 20+ years ago.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
I don't know... when I was young, I remember going out on my own especially in a resort situation. I even remember buying Piña Coladas in the Bahamas and charging them to the room (when I was like 10
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Of course, that was like 20+ years ago.



yeah time's have changed, in this day and age there is no way you would leave your kid's alone when at home let alone whilst in a foreign country, and at least one report has stated that they were further away from the apartment on the previous nights out than claimed, iirc it stated that they had been seen upto 5 kilometre's away?



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 05:26 AM
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The Daily Mail say that the police want Kate's diary and all of Madeleines toys.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Its rather optimistic to expect the diary to contain information about what happened isn't it ? But of course, it has to be checked. I wonder if its a loose-leaf diary ?



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by solidshot

yeah time's have changed, in this day and age there is no way you would leave your kid's alone when at home let alone whilst in a foreign country, and at least one report has stated that they were further away from the apartment on the previous nights out than claimed, iirc it stated that they had been seen upto 5 kilometre's away?

Dont forget, they were also offered a babysitter free of charge too and they declined it.

Everything stinks about it, their running around europe, their demeanour (very different to every other parent suffering in the media spotlight), visiting the pope, setting up the fund, using that fund to get a lawyer who specialises in extradition, flying hone as soon as they are declared suspects, them telling friends she was dead, refusing to answer 40 key questions.

Now youve got all the evidence the police have to go on top of that!



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by sarajane
The Daily Mail say that the police want Kate's diary and all of Madeleines toys.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Its rather optimistic to expect the diary to contain information about what happened isn't it ? But of course, it has to be checked. I wonder if its a loose-leaf diary ?

I see they are now using the fund for PR purposes to try and get positive headlines.

They are just digging themselves deeper and deeper.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 05:49 AM
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On top of that, it seems they might be able to use the funds collected, to defend themselves legally.

Doesn't feel right to use it for this purpose.
I always said from the beginning, the dad always seem unemotional at the beginning, maybe those were crocodile tears wept after arriving back from portugal.


The trustees of the fund - which has raised more than £1m - have confirmed they are meeting at 2pm this afternoon to decide whether the money can be used.


Link.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 06:13 AM
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Well theyve said they wont use the fund, this probably means they were unlikely to be allowed to use it anyway and were probably trying to make the best of the PR.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 07:11 AM
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I'm glad that they can't use the fund for their legal process, to be honest i would have been absolutely astonished if they let them do that. Like i said though this story will end up ruining the McCanns financially, guilty or not.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by October
I'm glad that they can't use the fund for their legal process, to be honest i would have been absolutely astonished if they let them do that. Like i said though this story will end up ruining the McCanns financially, guilty or not.


Ive no doubt theyve already sold the rights to their story to various TV companies, press and maybe even some book rights.

They will probably be loaded if they aren't found guilty.


Dae

posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 08:36 AM
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God I hate this Maddy crap! Not the kid but the emotional lifeforce sucking circus that I have been ignoring until this thread in ATS. Cant help but see the photos EVERYWEHRE with that "Look into my eyes" crap!

If either parent was involved in her murder, can 'we the people' sue them for being big fat liars who emotionally abused us?

Ive only read this thread because I knew from the start that this was all crap but seeing "The mother is a suspect" angle interested me. Everything was wrong about this even though I know nothing about!



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 08:50 AM
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Police are after Kate's private diary....

news.sky.com...



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